Florida teachers forced to remove books from their classrooms—or face felony charges

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Is history a type of harmful ideology. Desantis say yes. 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/17/florida-rejects-math-textbooks-critical-race-theory

The article you linked is about maths, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, 2009 said:

What ever happened to kids watching cartoons and the like?

A certain group of people realised that children are vulnerable and if they use "progressiveness" as a smoke screen, they can indoctrinate them.

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So there you go, start with banning books and move on to banning teachers.

 

I really do suggest you read the history of the first half of tge 20th Century.

They aren't banning books at all.  They're saying that books used in schools have to be approved.

 

They're simply trying to keep a certain type of harmful ideology out of schools.

 

I suggest you actually look into what is happening now as well as thinking about what happened in the past.  What is happening now is the nipping in the bud of exactly what you're concerned about that happened in the past.

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Will there be right wing nutters descending on libraries and ransacking in search of undesirable books like a sort of cultural revolution. 

No, just one or two members of staff that have had some training will have to check a book before it is allowed in the classroom.  In order to keep out harmful ideology.

 

Clearly this is aimed at stopping the left-wing book-burning types.  The "wokeists" are the ones who want to burn books.

[ADog]

20 hours ago, 2009 said:

Hang on. The left are the biggest fascists these days.

 

They hate virtually everyone

The DEMS/REPS and LAB/CONS are all the same.

 

Its those voting for them that are the problem.

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

The article you linked is about maths, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

My point is that Desantis is kind of snowflake when only 21% of the books disallowed incorporate CRT content.

 

 "21% of the books were disallowed “because they incorporate prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies, including CRT”.

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

Because, as has been explained repeatedly, they are banning every book from school libraries (not just the classroom) that is not on their approved list.

No.  As has been explained already, they're simply requiring that books are approved before being used in the classroom/stocked in the library.  It is being done by a trained member of staff in the school.

 

The government isn't banning books.  The only place that is happening is in your mind.

 

To put it simply, there is being put in place a way to keep certain books that contain a certain harmful ideology, away from the children for their own protection.   Which is quite sensible.

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Based on the definition of woke that would be educated people.

That is not the current definition of woke.  (Also it isn't the previous definition, not that that really matters.)

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, pomchop said:

and who exactly gets to decide what books are allowed and what are banned....a bunch of politicians or political appointees?  Bring in the bible beaters, the flat earth bunch and the conspiracy theory lunatics?  Don't forget the election deniers, the anti vax, the anti science, the anti global warming bunch cause  they no doubt want the kids to be dumbed down to their levels.

Apparently a trained member of staff already working at the school.

 

2 hours ago, pomchop said:

How about have a national standard where any book proposed as inappropriate is reviewed by a board of education professionals selected by a large group of teachers who actually have some knowledge of schools, libraries, school kids, etc..who can discuss after actually reading the books in question and make appropriate recommendations?

Sounds like a good idea.  As long as the kids are safe from radical ideology.

 

2 hours ago, pomchop said:

I don't need or want some right wing bible beating moron like desantis or one of his bat sxxt crazy  political appointee deciding what is appropriate.

Doesn't sound like it's that at all.

 

2 hours ago, pomchop said:

What's next revive the Salem witch trials?

That's the whole point of keeping a certain dangerous ideology out of schools.  The aim is to prevent this type of thinking.

[ADog]

4 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

They aren't banning books at all.  They're saying that books used in schools have to be approved.

 

They're simply trying to keep a certain type of harmful ideology out of schools.

 

Why are politicians and their placemen the ones who can decide on whats harmful?

 

A couple of years ago, i got a call from my kids headteacher as my then 10 year old daughter wrote BLM/LGBTQ is a load of nonsense in her jotter. On the call I informed the teacher she's merely repeating what i said.

 

At that point the teacher jumped on her high horse and started accusing me of having extremist views.

 

The private conversation with my daughter in relation to LGBTQ, was about her 10 year old friend who had recently moved school, and was in an online relationship with a 10 year old who decided they were the opposite sex.

 

When i were a lad calling this kind of odd behaviour nonsense would have been the norm, yet in 2020s England my views are deemed extremist by the left who are now running the planet.

 

Those "insert swear word" should never be choosing what is harmful and what is not.

[BangkokReady]

52 minutes ago, Slip said:

Either you have not read 1984 or you did not understand it.  As a child was your access to books restricted by a right wing politician with an agenda perhaps?

You obviously don't know the ideology that this system is seeking to keep out of schools.

 

If you want an analogy.  This is the school system saying "We don't want to live in a society like 1984 (or Stalin or Mao, if you like), so we're making sure that harmful ideologies cannot be used to indoctrinate our children."

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Prospective GOP candidates for president are leaning heavily into education amid concerns over issues like parental rights and the politicization of school curriculums.

 

Underscoring how critical an issue it is for Republicans, former President Trump unveiled his education platform on Thursday, calling for cutting federal funds to any education program that involves “critical race theory, gender ideology, or other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content onto our children.”

 

Their actions come as potential GOP candidates search for winning issues after a disappointing midterm election.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3833724-republicans-see-education-as-winning-issue-in-2024/

 

edit: note the right wing press' inability to spell curricula. 

I'm a little confused.  This is overwhelmingly a good thing, consider the harm these ideologies (or, realistically, ideology) do.

 

I would have thought you would not share this, as it seems to contradict what you have said previously.

[Eric Loh]

8 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

No, just one or two members of staff that have had some training will have to check a book before it is allowed in the classroom.  In order to keep out harmful ideology.

 

Clearly this is aimed at stopping the left-wing book-burning types.  The "wokeists" are the ones who want to burn books.

Wouldn;t be surprise that a far right mob will suffice ginned up by Desantis action against CRT and take the law into their own hands. Don't discount that as it had happened not that long ago. 

[BangkokReady]

13 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

My point is that Desantis is kind of snowflake when only 21% of the books disallowed incorporate CRT content.

 

 "21% of the books were disallowed “because they incorporate prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies, including CRT”.

Again, I'm not really sure what your point is.  An ideology is harmful.  It's essentially "anti-education".  It gets removed from schools.  Where's the problem?

[candide]

52 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And there we have it in a nutshell. When asked for examples of all this 'woke' teaching and 'inappropriate' lessons, the best you can come up with is 3 stories, 2 of which are from Canada and none of which are in Florida.

It's yet another example of the GOP creating a problem that doesn't exist in order to stoke the flames of racism, homophobia and anti-LGBTQ thinking because Desantis (like most GOPers) understands how appealing this is to his base. Forget actually sound economic or political policies in favour of riling up people with the 'but, but will someone PLEASE think of the children'.

It's so obvious as to be laughable but as many of the comments on this thread show, it is greedily devoured by the right in an attempt to yet again, get one back on the 'woke' left and drag the US and the rest of the world back to the 1950's.

      

Exactly, they are making up fake issues: children are indoctrinated, children are groomed, porn books or third reich propagande should not be found in classroom libraries, and similar B.S..

[BangkokReady]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Wouldn;t be surprise that a far right mob will suffice ginned up by Desantis action against CRT and take the law into their own hands. Don't discount that as it had happened not that long ago. 

Something to bear in mind.  Obviously we don't want to go "out of the communist frying pan and into the nazi fire".

 

But you really think that far-right groups will go ransacking libraries and burning books or something?  I don't think they would know where to start.

[BE88]

We're coming to an old movie where firefighters burned books.

Fahrenheit 451

I never thought I'd see this in my life.

[Baht Simpson]

18 hours ago, Mark Nothing said:

Some of the topics of banned books include changing gender, gay love, critical race theory and other absurd concepts not appropriate for students.

 

Parents and officials protecting their children from this filth that tears down the fabric of society should be applauded.  

 

Gay love is not filth.

[Baht Simpson]

8 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I think it's quite reasonable to not to expose children to sex in school.

Obviously the woke teachers were still pushing their deviant views on sexuality through books, so steps had to be taken. Dismiss the teachers is the only real way forward out of this mess.

 

2. Rejection of traditional morality, which is primarily carried out by the promotion of sexually deviant lifestyles such as homosexuality and transgender. In a truly surreal inversion of reality, they paint traditional morality as immoral by charging it with being homophobic, transphobic, and similar terms.

Homosexuality is not a sexually deviant lifestyle.

[Baht Simpson]

I'm particularly impressed by DeSantis not wanting children to be used as political pawns whilst appearing in a photo opportunity using children as political pawns. 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Homosexuality is not a sexually deviant lifestyle.

To most of the DeSantis and Trump base, it is.

[onthedarkside]

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[Jingthing]

25 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

I'm particularly impressed by DeSantis not wanting children to be used as political pawns whilst appearing in a photo opportunity using children as political pawns. 

He's a cynical demagogue. What would you expect?

This in a state known for retirees a group in which a significant percentage fear eviction.

I'm not saying any politician has a magic pill to quickly solve that but in a just world it would a top issue for a Florida governor instead of drag queens, etc.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Jingthing

[Chomper Higgot]

I have to admit, DeSantis struck political gold with this one.

 

A significant portion of GOP voter support comes from people with minimal education and IQ on the left of the normal distribution curve.

 

Convincing these people there is evil stuff in those things called books that they themselves have never had much exposure to is easy - pure political genius on DeSantis’ part.

 

 

Edited January 30, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[Mac Mickmanus]

21 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

They're saying only authorised books are allowed.  It's a shame that things have come to this, but, unfortunately, many teachers are introducing radical texts with the aim of indoctrinating children into their ideology.  (And no, they aren't presenting them neutrally to educate the children in various different ideologies.)

 

As they say, "teach them how to think, not what to think".

What I have noticed , the people who are shouting about freedom of speech and about books shouldn't be banned in libraries  and freedom of expression .

   Those very same people ty to silence others by making complaints and reporting .

   Its like "Freedom of speech for me and us" , everyone else needs to keep quiet 

[johnnybangkok]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

To most of the DeSantis and Trump base, it is.

And there in lies the problem and why it's a waist of time debating those who think this is all a great idea and who think Desantis is 'their man'.

 

Primarlily the LGBTQ and/or black community terrifies them and in their conspiritorially aligned brains already think there is too much change going on in the world and they just need to draw a line. And they truly believe their child can be taught to 'catch' the gayness so since they have more control over their children than most things in their life, this triggers them biggly.

 

This idea that schools are being infiltrated with some sort of pro-LGBTQ and anti-white gang of schoolteachers/headmasters who are hell bent on turning their little mini-me into a 'deviant' is just absurd. It's so obviously a Desantis tactic to 'out-Trump" Trump and lure his powerful base, it's not even funny. When the top job is the goal, there's nothing off the table including it seems, manipulating parents. 

 

Perhaps he should be slightly more bothered that Florida 'has the fourth-lowest literacy rate of 81.0%, with 19.0% of adults lacking basic prose literacy skills.'  https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state or that it consistently ranks as one of the most dangerous states in America  (https://www.securitysales.com/news/2022-safest-most-dangerous-states-us/).

 

These however would be proper problems that aren't interesting enough to get the base all riled up so he continues his culture war, constantly pitting Conservatives against the 'woke' Liberals in an increasingly divisive race to the bottom. And the worst thing is it will probably work. As we all know it has worked before. 

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I have to admit, DeSantis struck political gold with this one.

 

A significant portion of GOP voter support comes from people with minimal education and IQ on the left of the normal distribution curve.

 

Convincing these people there is evil stuff in those things called books that they themselves have never had much exposure to is easy - pure political genius on DeSantis’ part.

 

 

So you're saying parents with no college education shouldn't have a say about their child's education. How very elitist of you.

[BangkokReady]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What I have noticed , the people who are shouting about freedom of speech and about books shouldn't be banned in libraries  and freedom of expression .

   Those very same people ty to silence others by making complaints and reporting .

   Its like "Freedom of speech for me and us" , everyone else needs to keep quiet 

Ironically, these are the real examples of what was seen in stories like 1984.

 

I'm actually surprised by the number of people on this site buying it.

 

But then, people have unironically quoted things like this:

 

Quote

Underscoring how critical an issue it is for Republicans, former President Trump unveiled his education platform on Thursday, calling for cutting federal funds to any education program that involves “critical race theory, gender ideology, or other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content onto our children.”

Which would suggest that they have no idea what any of it actually is and simply think "Well, Trump is against it and I hate Trump.  So it must be a good thing."

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And there in lies the problem and why it's a waist of time debating those who think this is all a great idea and who think Desantis is 'their man'.

 

Primarlily the LGBTQ and/or black community terrifies them and in their conspiritorially aligned brains already think there is too much change going on in the world and they just need to draw a line. And they truly believe their child can be taught to 'catch' the gayness so since they have more control over their children than most things in their life, this triggers them biggly.

 

This idea that schools are being infiltrated with some sort of pro-LGBTQ and anti-white gang of schoolteachers/headmasters who are hell bent on turning their little mini-me into a 'deviant' is just absurd. It's so obviously a Desantis tactic to 'out-Trump" Trump and lure his powerful base, it's not even funny. When the top job is the goal, there's nothing off the table including it seems, manipulating parents. 

 

Perhaps he should be slightly more bothered that Florida 'has the fourth-lowest literacy rate of 81.0%, with 19.0% of adults lacking basic prose literacy skills.'  https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state or that it consistently ranks as one of the most dangerous states in America  (https://www.securitysales.com/news/2022-safest-most-dangerous-states-us/).

 

These however would be proper problems that aren't interesting enough to get the base all riled up so he continues his culture war, constantly pitting Conservatives against the 'woke' Liberals in an increasingly divisive race to the bottom. And the worst thing is it will probably work. As we all know it has worked before. 

 

 

Sure it will work to some extent but I've  been around long enough to know that  newer presidential aspirants that seem inevitable winners this early usually peak early and <deleted> out. 

 

He hasn't even begun to be tested and scrutinized on a national level.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Jingthing

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What I have noticed , the people who are shouting about freedom of speech and about books shouldn't be banned in libraries  and freedom of expression .

   Those very same people ty to silence others by making complaints and reporting .

   Its like "Freedom of speech for me and us" , everyone else needs to keep quiet 

You might want to give some examples.