Netanyahu says don’t get ‘hung up’ on peace with Palestinians first

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Netanyahu on peace process: 'We're going to have to live together'. Source: CNN

 

By Tara John and Rob Picheta, CNN

 

CNN — Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said people can get “hung up” on peace negotiations with the Palestinians, saying he has opted for a different approach in an interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper on Tuesday.

 

“When effectively the Arab-Israeli conflict (comes) to an end, I think we’ll circle back to the Palestinians and get a workable peace with the Palestinians,” he said.

 

Asked by Tapper about the Biden administration’s concerns that settlements in the occupied West Bank could exacerbate tensions, Netanyahu pointed to the success of the Trump-era Abraham Accords that normalized relations between Israel and several Arab countries.

 

Full story: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/31/middleeast/benjamin-netanyahu-cnn-interview-israel-intl/index.html

 

-- © Copyright CNN 2023-02-01

[2baht]

As soon as Netanyahu got back into power there was trouble, he's just a war monger! How long before he's in Washington licking Joe Bidens backside!

[pegman]

The Afrikaners also preferred retaining their apartheid system. It wasn't until a group of righteous states brought economic sanctions against them that the situation finally changed. Israel's electorate keeps moving farther right it seems so there is little likelihood there will be a will to change anytime soon unless there  is severe international pressure applied. 

[blazes]

6 hours ago, pegman said:

The Afrikaners also preferred retaining their apartheid system. It wasn't until a group of righteous states brought economic sanctions against them that the situation finally changed. Israel's electorate keeps moving farther right it seems so there is little likelihood there will be a will to change anytime soon unless there  is severe international pressure applied. 

Exactly how  is Israel an "apartheid" state?

[thaibeachlovers]

Why would he want peace? Peace will only come when the Palestinians get a viable state of their own, and his own ministers are saying that they will continue to build illegal settlements on Palestinian land.

Also, arming as many Israelis as possible is only going to end badly.

 

I don't believe a word he says and I'm not alone in that by far.

[scorecard]

Netanyahoo; as always selfish and arrogant, pos.

[placnx]

9 hours ago, 2baht said:

As soon as Netanyahu got back into power there was trouble, he's just a war monger! How long before he's in Washington licking Joe Bidens backside!

More like Biden licking N's boots!

[Hanaguma]

2 hours ago, blazes said:

Exactly how  is Israel an "apartheid" state?

I am curious about this too. AFAIK All Israeli citizens enjoy equal political and human rights.

 

I think the Israelis have been remarkably restrained in their responses to numerous provocations from the members of the death cult that infests the Palestinians.  These are people who pay cash bonuses to families of suicide bombers and those who murder Israeli civilians.

 

 

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2 hours ago, blazes said:

Exactly how  is Israel an "apartheid" state?

Amnesty report

The report states that, taken together, Israeli practices, including land expropriation, unlawful killings, forced displacement, restrictions on movement, and denial of citizenship rights amount to the crime of apartheid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid#

[Jingthing]

9 hours ago, pegman said:

The Afrikaners also preferred retaining their apartheid system. It wasn't until a group of righteous states brought economic sanctions against them that the situation finally changed. Israel's electorate keeps moving farther right it seems so there is little likelihood there will be a will to change anytime soon unless there  is severe international pressure applied. 

Jews are indigenous people in Israel.

Big difference to SA.

 

https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-728602

 

Even the PLO knows the Jews are indigenous to Israel - Opinion

 

The Jewish people originated in and are indigenous to what is now the modern state of Israel.  Jews are from Judea.

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9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Jews are indigenous people in Israel.

Big difference to SA.

 

https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-728602

 

Even the PLO knows the Jews are indigenous to Israel - Opinion

 

The Jewish people originated in and are indigenous to what is now the modern state of Israel.  Jews are from Judea.

And very few remained for about 1500 years. The notion that the rights people whose ancestors emigrated 75 generations or so ago takes precedence over those who were living there already is nuts. If someone was born there and was living there they have at least as much right as do settlers. More really.  Israel wasn't established because of some long felt connection to Judea. In fact, the Orthodox were very much opposed to resettling Israel, It was secularized Jews, especially socialists, who pushed for resettlement in Israel due to their persecution in Europe. And, of course, the resettlement was based on this lie: 

"In 1914 Chaim Weizmann, later president of the World Zionist Congress and the first president of the state of Israel said: "In its initial stage Zionism was conceived by its pioneers as a movement wholly depending on mechanical factors: there is a country which happens to be called Palestine, a country without a people, and, on the other hand, there exists the Jewish people, and it has no country. What else is necessary, then, than to fit the gem into the ring, to unite this people with this country?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_land_without_a_people_for_a_people_without_a_land

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And very few remained for about 1500 years. The notion that the rights people whose ancestors emigrated 75 generations or so ago takes precedence over those who were living there already is nuts. If someone was born there and was living there they have at least as much right as do settlers. More really.  Israel wasn't established because of some long felt connection to Judea. In fact, the Orthodox were very much opposed to resettling Israel, It was secularized Jews, especially socialists, who pushed for resettlement in Israel due to their persecution in Europe. And, of course, the resettlement was based on this lie: 

"In 1914 Chaim Weizmann, later president of the World Zionist Congress and the first president of the state of Israel said: "In its initial stage Zionism was conceived by its pioneers as a movement wholly depending on mechanical factors: there is a country which happens to be called Palestine, a country without a people, and, on the other hand, there exists the Jewish people, and it has no country. What else is necessary, then, than to fit the gem into the ring, to unite this people with this country?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_land_without_a_people_for_a_people_without_a_land

Jews are a people. 

Jewish is a religion. 

Israel is both the ancient and modern homeland of the Jewish people.

Of course the origins of Zionism are political.

Look at the history of Jews in the diaspora to understand why ir was necessary to have a nation state homeland.

Of course Arabs in the region deserve rights but in the context of acceptance the reality that Jews in Isreal aren't going anywhere.

Not saying support right wing Israeli governments.

Am saying Zionism is good because all it means is a liberation movement of self determination for the Jewish people in a nation state.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And very few remained for about 1500 years. The notion that the rights people whose ancestors emigrated 75 generations or so ago takes precedence over those who were living there already is nuts.

The Jews living on the land were actually killed , rather than they emigrated .

  Rome killed about 1 million Jews on the land and nearly wiped Jews out  .

  Jews lost power in the land 2000 years and only regained power in 1948

[Mac Mickmanus]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If someone was born there and was living there they have at least as much right as do settlers

OK, so Israeli Settlers who were born on the land have as much right to live there as Palestinians do ?

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1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Jews are a people. 

Jewish is a religion. 

Israel is both the ancient and modern homeland of the Jewish people.

Of course the origins if Zionism are political.

Look at the history of Jews in the diaspora.

Of course Arabs in the region deserve rights but in the context of acceptance the reality that Jews in Isreal aren't going anywhere.

About half of Jewish Israelis believe in separate and unequal when it comes to rights for Arab citizens of Israel. And 80% of Jewish Israelis believe that fateful decisions about Israel should be made by a majority of Jewish Israels.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-01-15/ty-article/.premium/about-half-of-israelis-believe-jews-should-have-more-rights-than-arabs-study-shows/00000185-b5ea-d11e-a1cd-b7ead62e0000

 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

About half of Jewish Israelis believe in separate and unequal when it comes to rights for Arab citizens of Israel. And 80% of Jewish Israelis believe that fateful decisions about Israel should be made by a majority of Jewish Israels.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-01-15/ty-article/.premium/about-half-of-israelis-believe-jews-should-have-more-rights-than-arabs-study-shows/00000185-b5ea-d11e-a1cd-b7ead62e0000

 

I don’t understand the point you are trying to make.

We all know Israeli politics is dominated by the right wing there.

 

Personally I'm American and have always hoped for a two state solution. But frankly I don’t think either side wants that now.

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6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Jews living on the land were actually killed , rather than they emigrated .

  Rome killed about 1 million Jews on the land and nearly wiped Jews out  .

  Jews lost power in the land 2000 years and only regained power in 1948

Can you enlighten us as to where present day Jews come from then?

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don’t understand the point you are trying to make.

We all know Israeli politics is dominated by the right wing there.

And what is the trend in Israel? Are Jewish Israelis growing more moderate or more extreme? According to the article, there was a big jump in the numbers supporting special rights for Israeli Jews. 

And in 2011, Israel approved laws that in effect allowed new communities to exclude Arabs from living there.

[Jingthing]

Just now, placeholder said:

And what is the trend in Israel? Are Jewish Israelis growing more moderate or more extreme? According to the article, there was a big jump in the numbers supporting special rights for Israeli Jews. 

And in 2011, Israel approved laws that in effect allowed new communities to exclude Arabs from living there.

Do you really have to ask that question?

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11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

OK, so Israeli Settlers who were born on the land have as much right to live there as Palestinians do ?

Sure, But if the land was expropriated without compensation, as was mostly the case, they should have no right to live on that land.

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Do you really have to ask that question?

Is this your way of not answering that Israel has grown increasingly worse in its treatment of Arab citizens? This is what separate and unequal inevitably leads to.

[Jingthing]

Just now, placeholder said:

Sure, But if the land was expropriated without compensation, as was mostly the case, they should have no right to live on that land.

West bank settlements are one thing but Palestinian activists continue to chant river to the sea.

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Just now, Jingthing said:

West bank settlements are one thing but Palestinian activists continue to chant river to the sea.

And Native Americans murdered European settlers and their descendants. This kind of thing is inevitable when you treat one group of people badly. Starting in 1967 the Israelis tried their best to make the Palestinians miserable. And I wasn't just referring to land on the West Bank. Israelis confiscated territory where Arabs lived inside of Israel.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Is this your way of not answering that Israel has grown increasingly worse in its treatment of Arab citizens? This is what separate and unequal inevitably leads to.

Arabs in the region have different realities. Arab Israeli citizens are not living under apartheid.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

And Native Americans murdered European settlers and their descendants. This kind of thing is inevitable when you treat one group of people badly. Starting in 1967 the Israelis tried their best to make the Palestinians miserable. And I wasn't just referring to land on the West Bank. Israelis confiscated territory where Arabs lived inside of Israel.

You're all over the place now. I can't have a coherent discussion on such terms.

The odd thing is we probably largely agree about how bad Israeli governments have been.

 

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Arabs in the region have different realities. Arab Israeli citizens are not living under apartheid.

Arabs are not allowed to live where they want to. Israel refuses to give them land to accommodate their growing communities. 

[blazes]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Amnesty report

The report states that, taken together, Israeli practices, including land expropriation, unlawful killings, forced displacement, restrictions on movement, and denial of citizenship rights amount to the crime of apartheid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid#

Amnesty International's reputation for political neutrality has plummeted in recent decades (imo). Your quotation (from Wiki, a useful source when dealing with actual facts, but hopelessly biased when offering opinion) could apply to scores of modern states (including the United States and its historical dealings with indigenous people!)

 

The fact remains that Israel is the ONLY country in the whole of the Middle East that has free and fair elections.  You may not like the results, but their brand of democracy has guaranteed a vitality to all sectors of society.

It is an insult to our intelligence to equate Israel with the former S Africa, where Israeli-type democracy was only a distant dream for 90% of the population.

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Arabs are not allowed to live where they want to. Israel refuses to give them land to accommodate their growing communities. 

Israeli Arab citizens can live where ever they want in Israel .

 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Arabs are not allowed to live where they want to. Israel refuses to give them land to accommodate their growing communities. 

That's way to general an assertion. Arab Israeli citizens are diverse and they generally do not want to leave Israel.

[Lee65]

Oh, the Arab/Jew/Israel/Palestine (AJIP) thing.  Everyone's a victim!