South Dakota is set to ban nearly all forms of gender-affirming care for minors

[Social Media]

CNN — 

South Dakota is set to prohibit nearly all forms of gender-affirming treatment for transgender minors after a proposed law gained sweeping approval through its state legislature.

The state Senate passed a House bill banning surgical and non-surgical gender-affirming treatment for minors on Thursday in a 30-4 vote, advancing the legislation to Gov. Kristi Noem’s desk. Noem will sign the bill into law, a spokesperson for the Republican governor told CNN on Friday.

The legislation bars puberty blocking medication in patients under the age of 18, as well as sex hormones and surgery related to gender transition.

[Hanaguma]

This is a bad thing?  Seems logical to me.  "Gender affirming" is a very euphemistic term for castration or removal of healthy body parts.  Minors aren't allowed to smoke, drink, drive, or join the military.  There is no reason for them to be allowed to mutilate themselves. 

[Jingthing]

If puberty blockers are banned until 18, you haven't blocked puberty.

Which means the person in adulthood if they do transition is never going to be as convincing as someone who started earlier. 

These are decisions for medical and psychological professional, not neofascist demagogues trying to gain popularity by scapegoating hated minorities. 

Of course these are difficult matters by definition. Don't make them worse with political games. 

I think banning related surgery for minors is less controversial. 

[Tug]

It’s political theater mostly it may be affecting ten or so people in that state it isent hoards of kids by any stretch of imagination it’s (maga virtue signaling) another words just backwards thinking that beeing said it must be devastating for the affected kids I wish people had more compassion and empathy for kids like these 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

If puberty blockers are banned until 18, you haven't blocked puberty.

Which means the person in adulthood if they do transition is never going to be as convincing as someone who started earlier. 

These are decisions for medical and psychological professional, not neofascist demagogues trying to gain popularity by scapegoating hated minorities. 

Of course these are difficult matters by definition. Don't make them worse with political games. 

I think banning related surgery for minors is less controversial. 

The problem being that puberty blockers don't just delay puberty, they destroy it.  There is no long term research to suggest that the effects can be reversed.  Kids who are experiencing insecurity over gender can be treated with therapy and compassion until they are mature enough to decide what to do.  

[Credo]

42 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The problem being that puberty blockers don't just delay puberty, they destroy it.  There is no long term research to suggest that the effects can be reversed.  Kids who are experiencing insecurity over gender can be treated with therapy and compassion until they are mature enough to decide what to do.  

A massive and unnecessary overreach by government.  Young people are not given puberty blockers or other interventions without a careful and full assessment by an array of medical providers.   Medically, puberty blockers are used on a number of conditions that have nothing to do with being trans, such as precocious puberty.   

 

Here's a little more:

 

• South Dakota lawmakers voted Wednesday on a bill that would make it criminal for doctors to provide puberty-blockers, hormones, or any gender-affirmation surgeries to anyone under the age of 16. 
• The bill is supported by social conservatives in the state's Republican-controlled legislature who say that transgender people under 16 are "too young" to make medical decisions about their gender identity. 
• A recent study found that trans kids have a firm grasp of their gender identity. Another found gender-affirming care reduces rates of suicide among transgender youth.
  
  https://www.insider.com/south-dakota-bill-transgender-youth-gender-affirmation-2020-1

[Tug]

Oh nooo are the maga nutters CANCELING thease kids?how woke is that!

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, Credo said:

A massive and unnecessary overreach by government.  Young people are not given puberty blockers or other interventions without a careful and full assessment by an array of medical providers.   Medically, puberty blockers are used on a number of conditions that have nothing to do with being trans, such as precocious puberty.   

 

Here's a little more:

 

• South Dakota lawmakers voted Wednesday on a bill that would make it criminal for doctors to provide puberty-blockers, hormones, or any gender-affirmation surgeries to anyone under the age of 16. 
• The bill is supported by social conservatives in the state's Republican-controlled legislature who say that transgender people under 16 are "too young" to make medical decisions about their gender identity. 
• A recent study found that trans kids have a firm grasp of their gender identity. Another found gender-affirming care reduces rates of suicide among transgender youth.
  
  https://www.insider.com/south-dakota-bill-transgender-youth-gender-affirmation-2020-1

Pumping young prepubescent kids full of life altering chemicals when there is little/no research on the long term effects is cruel.  Unfortunately these days the medical profession is being infected with the same woke claptrap that has been driving politics. Children simply are not mature enough to make these decisions.  

 

Here is an interesting article on the growing number of youth who regret the speed at which they transitioned, and are suffering permanent harm as a result;

 

https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-regret-changing-genders/

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

These are decisions for medical and psychological professional, not neofascist demagogues trying to gain popularity by scapegoating hated minorities. 

Precisely why laws like this are needed.

 

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

If puberty blockers are banned until 18, you haven't blocked puberty.

Exactly.  Don't block puberty on the off chance that very common gender issues that young people have won't resolve themselves, as they do in most cases.

[Jingthing]

These laws aren't really about protecting children.

Like abortion, these personal decisions shouldn't be for politicians. 

The laws are more about protecting the ignorance of anti trans bigots and promoting the careers of right wing demagogues. 

Whether to take hormones or not is a decision that should be up to the parents and SPECIALIZED doctors of the people under 18. 

The right wing demagogues are such hypocrites. They talk about wanting total freedom but only for their fetishes like owning assault weapons but in a case like this that involves LGBT civil rights, no, we can't have that. 

Aren't there much more important things to legislate on in these backwards red states?

Of course there are. But this garbage politics gets votes of the ignorant bigots. 

Edited February 11, 2023 by Jingthing

[Hanaguma]

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

These laws aren't really about protecting children.

Like abortion, these personal decisions shouldn't be for politicians. 

The laws are more about protecting the ignorance of anti trans bigots and promoting the careers of right wing demagogues. 

Whether to take hormones or not is a decision that should be up to the parents and SPECIALIZED doctors of the people under 18. 

The right wing demagogues are such hypocrites. They talk about wanting total freedom but only for their fetishes like owning assault weapons but in a case like this that involves LGBT civil rights, no, we can't have that. 

Aren't there much more important things to legislate on in these backwards red states?

Of course there are. But this garbage politics gets votes of the ignorant bigots. 

There is a lot to unpack in this commentary, a lot that is inaccurate and gaslighting and over political. People who think this kind of treatment is dangerous for kids are NOT default transphobes or bigots or even right wing.  Deliberately mutilating a physically healthy child, either by surgery or by chemical, is horrid.

 

 

[Jingthing]

Doctors, you know the trained professionals that actually know a lot about gender affirming medical care, push back against the ignorant right wing bigots.

 

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/3672270-medical-groups-call-on-doj-to-investigate-threats-targeting-gender-affirming-care/

 

 

Leading medical organizations are asking the Department of Justice to investigate a string of recent online attacks against hospitals that provide gender-affirming health care to transgender minors.

Right-wing commentators and social media users have accused children’s hospitals that provide gender-affirming care of abusing children.

Research has shown that access to gender-affirming medical care improves the overall mental health and well-being of transgender people, including transgender youth.

Edited February 11, 2023 by Jingthing

[BangkokReady]

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Doctors, you know the trained professionals that actually know a lot about gender affirming medical care, push back against the ignorant right wing bigots.

 

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/3672270-medical-groups-call-on-doj-to-investigate-threats-targeting-gender-affirming-care/

 

 

Leading medical organizations are asking the Department of Justice to investigate a string of recent online attacks against hospitals that provide gender-affirming health care to transgender minors.

Right-wing commentators and social media users have accused children’s hospitals that provide gender-affirming care of abusing children.

Research has shown that access to gender-affirming medical care improves the overall mental health and well-being of transgender people, including transgender youth.

How does this relate to the topic at hand?  Anyone who objects to children being given "gender-affirming treatment" are exactly the same as whoever is in this article?

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Whether to take hormones or not is a decision that should be up to the parents and SPECIALIZED doctors of the people under 18. 

It would be good if this could be true.  The reality says that it is not and young people are being harmed.

 

Also, parents are routinely shut-out of the decisions where they object.

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Doctors, you know the trained professionals that actually know a lot about gender affirming medical care, push back against the ignorant right wing bigots.

 

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/3672270-medical-groups-call-on-doj-to-investigate-threats-targeting-gender-affirming-care/

 

 

Leading medical organizations are asking the Department of Justice to investigate a string of recent online attacks against hospitals that provide gender-affirming health care to transgender minors.

Right-wing commentators and social media users have accused children’s hospitals that provide gender-affirming care of abusing children.

Research has shown that access to gender-affirming medical care improves the overall mental health and well-being of transgender people, including transgender youth.

Generally speaking, the people who resort to euphemisms the most are the ones losing the argument. Seems to be the case here as well. "Gender affirming health care" means what exactly other than castration, mastectomies, and chemical treatment to surpress the natural cycle of maturing? 

 

Minors who are confused and unsure about their gender need care and treatment and therapy and above all they need TIME to grow up. Permanent, life changing medical procedures are not beneficial.  

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Black Ops said:

The legislation bars puberty blocking medication in patients under the age of 18, as well as sex hormones and surgery related to gender transition.

I'm actually shocked that such was permitted, and if it's still allowed in other states, horrified.

Children, as I well remember from being one, are just not mature enough to make that sort of decision, and the idea that adults could make that decision for them is IMO an abomination.

 

As for puberty blocking, what sort of parent wants to keep their children from growing up?

 

However, I expect the usual sort of people will jump up and down about their "rights".

 

I don't personally know anyone that transitioned m to f, but I've looked at U Tube VDOs by those that have, and it's not a simple thing to do, physically or psychologically, by anyone, let alone a child.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Doctors, you know the trained professionals that actually know a lot about gender affirming medical care, push back against the ignorant right wing bigots.

I'm sure money has something to do with that. If one makes a living doing such and part or all is for minors, this legislation impacts them in the wallet.

I actually knew personally many surgeons and they are by no means all doing it for altruistic reasons. Consultants usually get very wealthy from what they do.

[Jingthing]

Kristi Noem as is customary among these far right wing maga anti-trans demagogues is very much pro guns and very much anti gun control.

People that think such people care about children in any way are very mistaken.

These anti trans laws have nothing to do with protecting children. It's all politics. Demonizing trans people for political gain is the flavor of the decade among these opportunist Maga-heads. They don't stop there unless good people stop them. They don't call them culture WARS for nothing.

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.  Posting incorrect information and unsubstantiated claims is not permitted. 

 

[bendejo]

53 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Kristi Noem as is customary among these far right wing maga anti-trans demagogues is very much pro guns and very much anti gun control.

People that think such people care about children in any way are very mistaken.

These anti trans laws have nothing to do with protecting children. It's all politics. Demonizing trans people for political gain is the flavor of the decade among these opportunist Maga-heads. They don't stop there unless good people stop them. They don't call them culture WARS for nothing.

Absolutely. 

Look at some these paleo-conservative culture warriors seeking (or occupying) public office.  A few years back they could care less about these things, now they are on the front-line in support.  Two I could think of off-hand are Kari Lake and this Luna women who is suddenly in the spotlight: both were Obama boosters when they got into the politics game.  It's easier to be a conservative, just do what you're told and vote (and support) the party line, raise funds, pocket your contributions and sit on your thumbs.  Whatsat, you have ideas of your own?  WRONG PARTY!

When a Republican says "I care about children" it means they are anti-abortion; when the child is born it is then out of their field of vision, "people shouldn't have children unless they are prepared to take care of them."  ummmm....  At the KBJ hearings Marsha Blackburn boldly stated "I care about children!" as if that uniquely makes her a hero. 

For those seeking fame and fortune in politics GOP/conservatism is the way to go.  The toughest part of the job will be working the phones for fundraising -- GOP is really tough about this, they even send minions to grab Congress members when the session ends to "come across the street and work the phone".  Even moneybags Mitt Romney has to do it, he expresses his hatred of this in the media occasionally.

Unfortunately Christine Jorgensen is no longer with us to put these people in their place.

Jorgensen toured university campuses and other venues to speak about her experiences. She was known for her directness and polished wit. She once demanded an apology from Vice President Spiro T. Agnew when he called Charles Goodell "the Christine Jorgensen of the Republican Party". Agnew refused her request.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 11, 2023 by bendejo

[Chomper Higgot]

The rightwing obsession with other people’s gender is deserving of examination.

 

 

[bendejo]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The rightwing obsession with other people’s gender is deserving of examination.

It has become a cliche in US politics that those who are most vehemently anti-gay are revealed in compromising positions. 

On the straight side there was a certain state governor who built up his cred with firm anti-prostitution prosecution for those who patronize ladies of the night, later to be revealed that he spends loads of $$$ on escorts.

Waiting to hear George Santos claim he frolicked with Mitt.

 

[Hanaguma]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Kristi Noem as is customary among these far right wing maga anti-trans demagogues is very much pro guns and very much anti gun control.

People that think such people care about children in any way are very mistaken.

These anti trans laws have nothing to do with protecting children. It's all politics. Demonizing trans people for political gain is the flavor of the decade among these opportunist Maga-heads. They don't stop there unless good people stop them. They don't call them culture WARS for nothing.

It's all politics to you. Not to everyone else.

 

How has the good governor "demonized" people? 

[BritManToo]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Doctors, you know the trained professionals that actually know a lot about gender affirming medical care, push back against the ignorant right wing bigots.

I don't place that much trust in doctors.

Weren't there a number of them claiming homosexuals were mentally ill?

You can always find doctors that will agree with any nonsense. 

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The rightwing obsession with other people’s gender is deserving of examination.

The left wing obsession with promoting deviant lifestyles needs no examination.

Interestingly enough the extreme left leaders (Stalin, Mao, etc) had an entirely different opinion.

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The rightwing obsession with other people’s gender is deserving of examination.

 

 

Have to say I'm not up to speed with "gender affirming" procedures nor have I worked with any young people who were going through it. But in a state that allows marriage at 16, allows driving a car at 16, but now decides that they are not mature enough to seek this treatment until they are 18 seems a little confusing.

 

I guess you should expect nothing else from a state that also bans abortion as a result of rape.

[SunnyinBangrak]

8 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

It would be good if this could be true.  The reality says that it is not and young people are being harmed.

 

Also, parents are routinely shut-out of the decisions where they object.

correct, although I have often seen it denied.

 

"Given those complexities, Mrs. Bradshaw said she resented the fact that the school had made her feel like a bad parent for wondering whether educators had put her teenager, a minor, on a path the school wasn’t qualified to oversee.

“It felt like a parenting stab in the back from the school system,” she said. “It should have been a decision we made as a family.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/us/gender-identity-students-parents.html

 

And the truly sad part of this is this/and other poor caring parents will be(as we can all see from posts above) falsely described as a bigot a fascist, a minority hater etc etc for the dreadful crime of caring about her minor child's welfare.

[Hanaguma]

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Have to say I'm not up to speed with "gender affirming" procedures nor have I worked with any young people who were going through it. But in a state that allows marriage at 16, allows driving a car at 16, but now decides that they are not mature enough to seek this treatment until they are 18 seems a little confusing.

 

I guess you should expect nothing else from a state that also bans abortion as a result of rape.

I would say the difference is that many so-called gender affirming treatments are permanent and may cause harm that will last a lifetime. Marriage and driving are not the same.  

 

Not sure the connection to abortion laws, except trying to paint a political picture. 

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I would say the difference is that many so-called gender affirming treatments are permanent and may cause harm that will last a lifetime. Marriage and driving are not the same.  

That's highly debatable. If in South Dakota your are legally mature enough to get married and have children with the children part being permanent then you should also be legally responsible enough to seek gender treatment. Equally if you are legally responsible enough to drive a car at 16 although the risk is higher of a fatal accident (yes permanent) at that age than any other age then you should also be able to seek the same treatment.

22 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Not sure the connection to abortion laws, except trying to paint a political picture. 

It was indeed, referencing the post I was replying to.

[Hanaguma]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That's highly debatable. If in South Dakota your are legally mature enough to get married and have children with the children part being permanent then you should also be legally responsible enough to seek gender treatment. Equally if you are legally responsible enough to drive a car at 16 although the risk is higher of a fatal accident (yes permanent) at that age than any other age then you should also be able to seek the same treatment.

It was indeed, referencing the post I was replying to.

Those might be good reasons to RAISE the age to drive/marry rather than lower the age to consent to gender treatment.

 

But again, they are not permanent or irreversable in most cases. Most drivers don't die in car accidents. Most people who marry do so at a later age than 16, and don't have kids either.  You can change your mind and stop driving or stop being married, you can't change your mind after you have a double mastectomy and remove perfectly healthy body parts. 

 

Puberty blocking/delaying drugs are 'best' given before puberty, which means kids from 10 years old are being put on them. Half these kids still think Santa Claus is real and they are being given these drugs?  Sorry but it is ripe for abuse and the long term effects may be catastrophic.