By Dmytro Deineko, Doctoral Researcher in International Law,

Taras Shevchenko National University of Kyiv

 

Considering the time frame, it is not correct to assume that russia’s war against Ukraine started after 24, February 2022.

 

In February last year, the world witnessed the escalation of a war that had been going on for a long time. In the spring of 2014, russia occupied the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and tried to create “people’s republics” in the east, south and center of Ukraine. Russian citizens under the guise of an “independence movement” attempted to seize power in Donetsk and Luhansk with the support of russian armed forces.

 

In response to these illicit acts Ukraine launched in 2014 an anti-terrorist operation. On February 24, 2022, russia officially attacked Ukraine and since then the lives of 45 millions of Ukrainians were not the same.

 

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights verified a total of 7,155 civilian deaths during conflicts in Ukraine as of February 5, 2023. Of them, 438 were children. Furthermore, 11,662 people were reported to have been injured. However, OHCHR specified that the real numbers could be higher.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/formula-for-peace-to-end-russia-ukraine-conflicts/

 

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It’s really simple Russia get out of Ukraine all of Ukraine return the children you kidnapped get rid of your criminal dictator pay reparations and turn over all of your war criminals simple

12 minutes ago, Tug said:

It’s really simple Russia get out of Ukraine all of Ukraine return the children you kidnapped get rid of your criminal dictator pay reparations and turn over all of your war criminals simple

Yeah if it were only as simple as that.

 

It's a waiting scenario.

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Considering the time frame, it is not correct to assume that russia’s war against Ukraine started after 24, February 2022.

In February last year, the world witnessed the escalation of a war that had been going on for a long time.

All the escalation despite the effort of the Minsk I, II treaties the parties were bound to heed.  In the very February 2022 the shelling of Donbass areas had  escalated: 

"OSCE reports more than 1,500 ceasefire violations in a single day in Ukraine"

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220219-live-osce-monitors-report-dramatic-increase-in-ukraine-ceasefire-violations

 

...and the US staff of OSCE Special Monitoring Mission was ordered to pull out 13 Februaru 2022.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-staff-osce-begins-pullout-donetsk-eastern-ukraine-2022-02-13/ 

 

...the others followed the suit:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/13/it-is-past-time-to-leave-ukraine-western-diplomats-flee-kyiv

Here are the steps towards peace that were omitted from abbreviated post

1. Radiation and nuclear security;
2. Food security;
3. Energy security;
4. Release of all deportees;
5. Restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity, respect for UN Charter;
6. Total withdrawal of all russian troops from all of Ukraine;
7. Punishment for war crimes;
8. Protection for the environment, stopping russia’s ecocide in Ukraine;
9. New security architecture and security guarantees for Ukraine;
10. Signing of peace treaty.

To get there, at a minimum, Putin has to go. Anyone up for the job?

That article is dishonest warmongering rather then peacekeeping.

The end of article:

".. send the russian army to follow the trail of the russian warship “Moskva”. Ukraine is ready for immediate cooperation with foreign countries to implement a peace strategy, end the war, and prevent new russian aggression against other countries."

 

so he sees a chance for peace only after russia military defeat and not diplomatic solution involving russia now, to stop war. Rather military collusion with the other countries against russia in hope of winning.

Foreign countries can be involved to facilitate negotiations, but not siding with any side. That won't work.

 

Author of this article works in ukrainian embassy in Bangkok, he should know about diplomacy. But he also is state employee and has to follow an official line. His employment was not mentioned in this article, only his previous one as an academic at kiev university.

https://thailand.mfa.gov.ua/en/embassy/55-spivrobitniki-posolystva-ukrajini-v-korolivstvi-tajiland

 

on margin - worth spot the difference in using capital letters in reference to russia and for president of ukraine. That is not how diplomacy should be done by skilled participants

 

 

Edited February 24, 20233 yr by internationalism

It started when US State Dept players like neo-Con Victoria Nuland  orchestrated the coup d'état in Kyiv in February 2014. This will go on as long as there is a single Ukrainian left to fight Biden's proxy war. Murderous thug Putin is a willing participant in this tragedy. A pox on them both.

3 hours ago, Saanim said:

All the escalation despite the effort of the Minsk I, II treaties the parties were bound to heed.  In the very February 2022 the shelling of Donbass areas had  escalated: 

"OSCE reports more than 1,500 ceasefire violations in a single day in Ukraine"

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220219-live-osce-monitors-report-dramatic-increase-in-ukraine-ceasefire-violations

 

...and the US staff of OSCE Special Monitoring Mission was ordered to pull out 13 Februaru 2022.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-staff-osce-begins-pullout-donetsk-eastern-ukraine-2022-02-13/ 

 

...the others followed the suit:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/13/it-is-past-time-to-leave-ukraine-western-diplomats-flee-kyiv

You kind of left out one tiny little detail in relation to Minsk 2:

"A major blockage has been Russia’s insistence that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by its terms."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/9/what-is-the-minsk-agreement-and-why-is-it-relevant-now

 

there were peace negotiations started already 2 weeks into war, they were progressing nicely, with full knowledge of biden, macron, scholtz, until Boris Johnson made an unexpected visit to kiev in April and stopped them.

Those talks were initiated by Zelensky with help of the former Israeli PM Bennett, who went to Moscow and putin agreed.

Meeting were taking place in ankara, Erdogan tries to take credit for them. 

https://jacobin.com/2023/02/ukraine-russia-war-naftali-bennett-negotiations-peace

 

 Naftali Bennett, the former PM, on 6.02.2023 put on his youtube channel an inverview, those negotiations are mentioned in 2h 55" into this broadcast. It's in hebrew, but english subtitled. Also chinese state media, as well as many minor outlets, published an english transcript.

Further attempts of negotiations by Turkey failed. 

22 minutes ago, internationalism said:

there were peace negotiations started already 2 weeks into war, they were progressing nicely, with full knowledge of biden, macron, scholtz, until Boris Johnson made an unexpected visit to kiev in April and stopped them.

Those talks were initiated by Zelensky with help of the former Israeli PM Bennett, who went to Moscow and putin agreed.

Meeting were taking place in ankara, Erdogan tries to take credit for them. 

https://jacobin.com/2023/02/ukraine-russia-war-naftali-bennett-negotiations-peace

 

 Naftali Bennett, the former PM, on 6.02.2023 put on his youtube channel an inverview, those negotiations are mentioned in 2h 55" into this broadcast. It's in hebrew, but english subtitled. Also chinese state media, as well as many minor outlets, published an english transcript.

Further attempts of negotiations by Turkey failed. 

Not true, there were no peace talks progressing nicely. In fact Putin refused just as he invaded:

 

Exclusive: As war began, Putin rejected a Ukraine peace deal recommended by aide

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-war-began-putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-recommended-by-his-aide-2022-09-14/

 

Then just over 3 weeks into the war Putin refused again

 

Zelensky: We won't join NATO if that brings peace

https://nypost.com/2022/03/22/zelensky-we-wont-join-nato-if-that-brings-peace/

 

 

Edited February 24, 20233 yr by Bkk Brian

4 hours ago, Tug said:

It’s really simple Russia get out of Ukraine all of Ukraine return the children you kidnapped get rid of your criminal dictator pay reparations and turn over all of your war criminals simple

Sad to say, Putin will never end this conflict as long as he is alive. He doesn't care how many Ukraine men, women. and children he kills. Or how many Russians die. The Russian people don't know the true number of death's of the Russian Army if they did maybe all this would stop?

29 minutes ago, internationalism said:

there were peace negotiations started already 2 weeks into war, they were progressing nicely, with full knowledge of biden, macron, scholtz, until Boris Johnson made an unexpected visit to kiev in April and stopped them.

Those talks were initiated by Zelensky with help of the former Israeli PM Bennett, who went to Moscow and putin agreed.

Meeting were taking place in ankara, Erdogan tries to take credit for them. 

https://jacobin.com/2023/02/ukraine-russia-war-naftali-bennett-negotiations-peace

 

 Naftali Bennett, the former PM, on 6.02.2023 put on his youtube channel an inverview, those negotiations are mentioned in 2h 55" into this broadcast. It's in hebrew, but english subtitled. Also chinese state media, as well as many minor outlets, published an english transcript.

Further attempts of negotiations by Turkey failed. 

From that article:

"An early peace deal could have ended the bloody war in Ukraine. But NATO opposition and revelations about the Russian massacre of civilians at Bucha, along with US media that all but ignored potential routes to peace, dashed those hopes."

So even it it was true that negotiations could have succeeded, massive Russian war crimes put an end to that. 

7 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Sad to say, Putin will never end this conflict as long as he is alive. He doesn't care how many Ukraine men, women. and children he kills. Or how many Russians die. The Russian people don't know the true number of death's of the Russian Army if they did maybe all this would stop?

I agree that Putin is all in, there is no way out for him but his demise. The 64 trillion dollar question is how many people he takes with him.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I agree that Putin is all in, there is no way out for him but his demise. The 64 trillion dollar question is how many people he takes with him.

Yes certainly the saying comes to mind. 

 

Winston Churchill Quote: “Beware of driving men to desperation. Even a cornered rat is dangerous.”

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

You kind of left out one tiny little detail in relation to Minsk 2:

"A major blockage has been Russia’s insistence that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by its terms."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/9/what-is-the-minsk-agreement-and-why-is-it-relevant-now

 

You are deflecting - as usually. How could I "left out" that when I did not quote or reference that link. Your link is an article of Aljazeera with the media comments, not quote of the Minsk agreements.

 

BTW, whether a party is (was) bound or not?  That's very known from the disclosures of Poroschenko,  Merkel, Holland, to name just few.     

Putin's motto is "Lie and Deny!"

2 minutes ago, robertson468 said:

Putin's motto is "Lie and Deny!"

Could be a western countries motto also. 

28 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Yes certainly the saying comes to mind. 

 

Winston Churchill Quote: “Beware of driving men to desperation. Even a cornered rat is dangerous.”

So you're saying what? Surrender?

17 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Could be a western countries motto also. 

False equivalence.

29 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So you're saying what? Surrender?

Weird comes to mind now. 

2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Weird comes to mind now. 

More like "evasiveness".

2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Weird comes to mind now. 

I find your POV weird.

You can't negotiate with Putin period.

If this video is true than what is Thailand's stance? Are we neutral?

https://fb.watch/iUhbM4IBYa/

59 minutes ago, Saanim said:

You are deflecting - as usually. How could I "left out" that when I did not quote or reference that link. Your link is an article of Aljazeera with the media comments, not quote of the Minsk agreements.

 

BTW, whether a party is (was) bound or not?  That's very known from the disclosures of Poroschenko,  Merkel, Holland, to name just few.     

Just because what you linked to doesn't mention that, doesn't mean that you didn't leave it out. Particularly as you have tried this Minsk ploy over and over again and have been called on it repeatedly. The fact is Russia denied that Minsk 2 applied to it. This is a huge, overwhelming fact and unless you want to claim utter ignorance of their claim, it's clear what you are up to.

5 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

If this video is true than what is Thailand's stance? Are we neutral?

https://fb.watch/iUhbM4IBYa/

We?

Who's we?

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

We?

Who's we?

You live in Thailand?

1 minute ago, vandeventer said:

You live in Thailand?

I am not Thai.

This is an expat forum.

The position or lack thereof of the government of Thailand has nothing to do with expats.

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

More like "evasiveness".

Another weird one who can't see what is really happening.

That's one of the problems on Asiannow just looking at a situation from an open mind and not taking sides a poster gets vilified.

This war is not going well and with Dam still in tack and nuclear reactors about is the reason I reminded posters here of what Churchill said.

And for all the gunho community Putin is going to get near to that desperation is he not.? 

43 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I find your POV weird.

You can't negotiate with Putin period.

What by saying that Putin could be a man driven to desperation.

 

Let's everybody go Gunho that's the way.

9 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Another weird one who can't see what is really happening.

That's one of the problems on Asiannow just looking at a situation from an open mind and not taking sides a poster gets vilified.

This war is not going well and with Dam still in tack and nuclear reactors about is the reason I reminded posters here of what Churchill said.

And for all the gunho community Putin is going to get near to that desperation is he not.? 

So you're the Chosen One who can really see what's happening? It is to laugh.