Covid ‘lab leak theory’: What we’ve learned

[Scott]

 

An updated intelligence assessment about the origins of the Covid-19 virus has reopened the long-simmering and unsolved debate about how the virus came to be – and will fuel a new committee House Republicans have created to investigate the issue.

While scientists still predominantly believe the virus occurred naturally in animals and spread to humans in an outbreak at a market in Wuhan, China, the US Department of Energy’s Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence is now the second tentacle of the US government intelligence apparatus, along with the FBI, that endorses the “lab leak theory” – the minority view that the virus occurred as a result of work in a Chinese lab.

The DOE office is one of 18 government agencies that make up the intelligence community, which are under the umbrella of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/politics/covid-lab-leak-what-matters/index.html

[BangkokHank]

It is obvious that the virus came from a lab. Whether it escaped by accident or was deliberately leaked is the only question. (I think it was deliberately "leaked", as explained below.)

 

The way that we can know that the virus did not occur in nature is that Klaus Schwab from the World Economic Forum published a book about taking advantage of the virus to implement his "Great Reset". This book was published in mid-2020, just a few of months after the virus was unleashed on the world. There's no way he could have come up with a well-though-out plan to reset the world and have written and published a book about this plan just a few months after the virus started spreading. His plan came first, then the virus was released to put his plan into action.

[freedomnow]

Novel covid outbreak next to novel covid creation research lab...

 

3 years on, still on the fence..... ????

[candide]

12 minutes ago, BangkokHank said:

It is obvious that the virus came from a lab. Whether it escaped by accident or was deliberately leaked is the only question. (I think it was deliberately "leaked", as explained below.)

 

The way that we can know that the virus did not occur in nature is that Klaus Schwab from the World Economic Forum published a book about taking advantage of the virus to implement his "Great Reset". This book was published in mid-2020, just a few of months after the virus was unleashed on the world. There's no way he could have come up with a well-though-out plan to reset the world and have written and published a book about this plan just a few months after the virus started spreading. His plan came first, then the virus was released to put his plan into action.

Sure!

 

What is the Great Reset - and how did it get hijacked by conspiracy theories?

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-57532368

[Hummin]

At the same time the bio lab conspiracy in Ukraine gets new fuel as well. Coincidence?

[Chomper Higgot]

While House Republicans ‘investigate the issue’ they might want to cast an eye over this, but I somehow doubt they will:

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv-idUSKBN21C3N5

[Mac Mickmanus]

24 minutes ago, BangkokHank said:

It is obvious that the virus came from a lab. Whether it escaped by accident or was deliberately leaked is the only question. (I think it was deliberately "leaked", as explained below.)

 

The way that we can know that the virus did not occur in nature is that Klaus Schwab from the World Economic Forum published a book about taking advantage of the virus to implement his "Great Reset". This book was published in mid-2020, just a few of months after the virus was unleashed on the world. There's no way he could have come up with a well-though-out plan to reset the world and have written and published a book about this plan just a few months after the virus started spreading. His plan came first, then the virus was released to put his plan into action.

That book s published in July 2020 , there were already travel restriction in January 2020 and borders were being closed by March 2020 and the book was released 6 months later

[Tug]

32 minutes ago, BangkokHank said:

It is obvious that the virus came from a lab. Whether it escaped by accident or was deliberately leaked is the only question. (I think it was deliberately "leaked", as explained below.)

 

The way that we can know that the virus did not occur in nature is that Klaus Schwab from the World Economic Forum published a book about taking advantage of the virus to implement his "Great Reset". This book was published in mid-2020, just a few of months after the virus was unleashed on the world. There's no way he could have come up with a well-though-out plan to reset the world and have written and published a book about this plan just a few months after the virus started spreading. His plan came first, then the virus was released to put his plan into action.

I sincerely hope you are mistaken if true that would be a blatant act of war if done on purpose not only against the USA but the whole planet including china itself that to me doesn’t make sense now if it was an accidental release that’s possible Imo and wrong 

[Scott]

Please be aware that posting unsubstantiated claims will result in posts being removed, warnings being given and possible suspensions.  From the link provided by @candide:

 

Among the most popular posts are baseless statements that the Great Reset is a strategic part of a grand conspiracy by the global elite, who somehow planned and managed the Covid-19 pandemic.

 

In this narrative, lockdown restrictions were introduced not to curb the spread of the virus, but to deliberately bring about economic collapse and a socialist world government, albeit run for the benefit of powerful capitalists.

The nebulousness of this conspiracy theory means it has found followers among anti-vaccine activists, anti-lockdown campaigners, new-age healers, and those on the far right and far left.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-57532368

Please post with care and discretion.

[save the frogs]

1 hour ago, BangkokHank said:

The way that we can know that the virus did not occur in nature is that Klaus Schwab from the World Economic Forum published a book about taking advantage of the virus to implement his "Great Reset". This book was published in mid-2020, just a few of months after the virus was unleashed on the world. There's no way he could have come up with a well-though-out plan to reset the world and have written and published a book about this plan just a few months after the virus started spreading. His plan came first, then the virus was released to put his plan into action.

one thing about the elites is they plan things 100 years in advance.

which is not necessarily a bad thing. 

 

but if you only see 2 feet in front of you, you may not see the forest for the trees. 

 

no one is talking about the great reset.

i don't see any threads on the forum about the great reset. 

no one has looked into it in any detail.

 

in my opinion, many things they are planning in the future for the great reset are positive.

it's not all negative. and it's not all a nefarious plot to stomp on your head for no apparent reason.

a lot of things in the future will be a lot better than they are now based on this great reset.

 

we are entering a new era in human history.

we are witnessing the death of an old era.

if you only see 2 feet in front of you, nothing will make sense. 

 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by save the frogs

[Hummin]

33 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

one thing about the elites is they plan things 100 years in advance.

which is not necessarily a bad thing. 

 

but if you only see 2 feet in front of you, you may not see the forest for the trees. 

 

no one is talking about the great reset.

no one has looked into it in any detail.

 

in my opinion, many things they are planning in the future for the great reset are positive.

it's not all negative. and it's not all a nefarious plot to stomp on your head for no apparent reason.

a lot of things in the future will be a lot better than they are now based on this great reset.

 

we are entering a new era in human history.

we are witnessing the death of an old era.

if you only see 2 feet in front of you, nothing will make sense. 

 

 

We all know in a chess game, we can make a move, and we know There are over 9 million variations after just 3 moves each, 288 billion different possible positions after 4 moves each, and 318,000,000,000 ways to play just the first 4 moves. In a whole Chess game, There are more possible iterations of chess games than there are atoms in the observable universe, and that is only between 2 players and on a board with 64 squares. Now imagine 195 countries with how many players in each and one country? 

 

How do you suggest any 100 year plan would look like? 

 

https://www.chessjournal.com/how-many-possible-moves-are-there-in-chess/

Edited February 28, 2023 by Hummin

[OneMoreFarang]

What we’ve learned is that we will never really know.

We have experts for every possible scenario.

It seems it is more about politics what we want to think is true.

 

I remember long time ago, about 1990, I read a book that AIDS was the result of an US government experiment on prison inmates in the USA. Reading the book, with lots of references to documents and studies, it seems the only logical conclusion. Was it true? I don't know until now. So where did Covid 19 originate and how was it released. I can speculate like everybody else, but I don't know. There are several possible and more or less likely options. And personally I don't think it makes sense to think more about it because too many powerful people and institutions have agendas which we don't know and can't control. There was and is Covid - that's what we know.

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What we’ve learned is that we will never really know.

We have experts for every possible scenario.

It seems it is more about politics what we want to think is true.

 

I remember long time ago, about 1990, I read a book that AIDS was the result of an US government experiment on prison inmates in the USA. Reading the book, with lots of references to documents and studies, it seems the only logical conclusion. Was it true? I don't know until now. So where did Covid 19 originate and how was it released. I can speculate like everybody else, but I don't know. There are several possible and more or less likely options. And personally I don't think it makes sense to think more about it because too many powerful people and institutions have agendas which we don't know and can't control. There was and is Covid - that's what we know.

And still we know this occurs natural in nature without any influence by humans, and suddenly we are unsure about nature and how it works? 

 

Been in China, travelled in China in the country side, I have no doubt this is possible on a fresh marked there. 

 

We will loose if we start doubt in our governments and start believing in any conspiracy possible. 

 

Just lately this morning saw a friend posting on fb convinces usa had bio weapon labs in Ukraine. 

 

Putin win the war if this get rooted as a truth

[Scott]

23 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What we’ve learned is that we will never really know.

We have experts for every possible scenario.

It seems it is more about politics what we want to think is true.

 

I remember long time ago, about 1990, I read a book that AIDS was the result of an US government experiment on prison inmates in the USA. Reading the book, with lots of references to documents and studies, it seems the only logical conclusion. Was it true? I don't know until now. So where did Covid 19 originate and how was it released. I can speculate like everybody else, but I don't know. There are several possible and more or less likely options. And personally I don't think it makes sense to think more about it because too many powerful people and institutions have agendas which we don't know and can't control. There was and is Covid - that's what we know.

We may well at some point know if it is natural or not.  There will be many, many Ph.D. students doing research and looking for this virus.  These are the little soldiers that do a lot of leg work to earn a Ph.D.  Some will be working with bats in the wild, some will be sequencing DNA in labs, but someone may well come up with a strong theory. 

 

Now, the problem of did a naturally occurring virus being studied in a lab accidentally (or on purpose) get released?  

 

With HIV, they were able to trace that back to patient zero -- the first person to bring HIV/AIDS to the western world.  Again, there are researchers still looking at it's origins and then there are 'scientists' who say AIDS is not caused by the HIV virus.  

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

And still we know this occurs natural in nature without any influence by humans, and suddenly we are unsure about nature and how it works? 

Yes, it might happen in nature. And it can also be done by humans. And lots of people have many reasons to let us think one or the other version. That's the problem.

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, Scott said:

Now, the problem of did a naturally occurring virus being studied in a lab accidentally (or on purpose) get released?  

This is a possible explanation. Is it true? I don't know.

 

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

6 hours ago, Scott said:

We may well at some point know if it is natural or not.  There will be many, many Ph.D. students doing research and looking for this virus.  These are the little soldiers that do a lot of leg work to earn a Ph.D.  Some will be working with bats in the wild, some will be sequencing DNA in labs, but someone may well come up with a strong theory. 

Why would there be many many Ph.D. students looking into the origins, when it has been settled science for years? The virus came from a wet market. Anyone questioning the incredible coincidence of a bat virus research facility near the wet market were dubbed "racists"(1), and "conspiracy theorists" and censored and banned from the internet for spreading "disinformation".  Can you agree the false smearing and censoring of those using logic and common sense to probe the unlikely coincidence was a mistake? So settled was the science that advertisers were punished for advertising (2)on channels that tried to be honest and discus the possibilities/probabilities of the lab leak.

 

(1)"“Apoorva Mandavilli, a reporter “mainly” covering COVID-19 for the New York Times, believes the lab-leak origin theory for the virus to be by its very nature bigoted. Someday we will stop talking about the lab leak theory and maybe even admit its racist roots. But alas, that day is not today,” she wrote."

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/new-york-times-covid-reporter-calls-discussion-of-lab-leak-theory-racist/

 

(2)"A government-affiliated group that attempted to blacklist conservative networks over "coronavirus conspiracies" is now coming under fire after a federal agency announced its analysis that the lab-leak theory could be true.

The Global Disinformation Index reportedly sought to convince advertising companies to distance themselves from and punish conservative websites that suggested the coronavirus may have initially spread because it was leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/government-disinformation-group-fire-punishing-outlets-reported-lab-leak-theory

 

 I hope the free thinkers that spoke out loud about the Wuhan institute likely having had a lab leak or accidental release will be uncensored and allowed back online again.  Just allowing one side of every debate online has not worked well, particularly in light of the mainstream being flat out wrong about the biggest issues and repeatedly censoring truth to allow democrat party benefitting lies and false narratives to flourish - such as the laptop and the lableak.

[2baht]

8 hours ago, freedomnow said:

3 years on

With 6.8 million covid deaths worldwide, WWIII is progressing well for you know who!

[candide]

17 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I hope the free thinkers that spoke out loud about the Wuhan institute likely having had a lab leak or accidental release will be uncensored and allowed back online again

Who is censored? There have been plenty of press articles discussing this issue.

[Scott]

11 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Why would there be many many Ph.D. students looking into the origins, when it has been settled science for years? The virus came from a wet market. Anyone questioning the incredible coincidence of a bat virus research facility near the wet market were dubbed "racists"(1), and "conspiracy theorists" and censored and banned from the internet for spreading "disinformation".  Can you agree the false smearing and censoring of those using logic and common sense to probe the unlikely coincidence was a mistake? So settled was the science that advertisers were punished for advertising (2)on channels that tried to be honest and discus the possibilities/probabilities of the lab leak.

 

(1)"“Apoorva Mandavilli, a reporter “mainly” covering COVID-19 for the New York Times, believes the lab-leak origin theory for the virus to be by its very nature bigoted. Someday we will stop talking about the lab leak theory and maybe even admit its racist roots. But alas, that day is not today,” she wrote."

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/new-york-times-covid-reporter-calls-discussion-of-lab-leak-theory-racist/

 

(2)"A government-affiliated group that attempted to blacklist conservative networks over "coronavirus conspiracies" is now coming under fire after a federal agency announced its analysis that the lab-leak theory could be true.

The Global Disinformation Index reportedly sought to convince advertising companies to distance themselves from and punish conservative websites that suggested the coronavirus may have initially spread because it was leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/government-disinformation-group-fire-punishing-outlets-reported-lab-leak-theory

 

 I hope the free thinkers that spoke out loud about the Wuhan institute likely having had a lab leak or accidental release will be uncensored and allowed back online again.  Just allowing one side of every debate online has not worked well, particularly in light of the mainstream being flat out wrong about the biggest issues and repeatedly censoring truth to allow democrat party benefitting lies and false narratives to flourish - such as the laptop and the lableak.

The origin of the coronavirus occurred in nature, most likely in bats.  That is what a lot of researchers will be looking for.  The closest virus found thus far is RaTG13, with a 96.2% found in bats in Yunnan Province.  That is the closest known full genome match to SARS-CoV-2.  That is what I am referring to. 

 

I have no idea what you are blithering on about that has anything to do with what I posted.  

 

[Scott]

2 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Don’t forget Event 201

Did you have something you wanted to say about Event 201? 

 

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/exercises/event201/

 

[mania]

The really odd nature of this virus is how it moved thru society

 

In my life any virus I have seen in the last 60 years was always quick to attach to youngsters

This one was the opposite & seemed at least initially to mainly attach to seniors

 

Also how it took a weak link in its host & used it was also odd where as in other viruses it was always the virus/infection itself

 

But as mentioned with all the attention of young researchers I'm hopeful we will eventually have an explanation

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by mania

[Bkk Brian]

Chinese not too happy with Musk..............never mind......lol

 

China’s CCP warns Elon Musk against sharing Wuhan lab leak report

A Chinese state-run newspaper issued a warning to Tesla CEO Elon Musk after he shared reporting on the U.S. Department of Energy’s “low confidence” assessment that the global Covid pandemic originated in a Wuhan laboratory.

CNBC’s Eunice Yoon reported Tuesday morning on the warning from the social media pages of the Global Times, the English-language subsidiary of the government-controlled People’s Daily. The Global Times warned Musk that he could be “breaking the pot of China” after the Tesla and Twitter CEO responded to tweets that asserted that the Covid pandemic originated in a Wuhan research laboratory.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/28/chinas-ccp-warns-elon-musk-against-sharing-wuhan-lab-leak-report.html

[Credo]

35 minutes ago, mania said:

The really odd nature of this virus is how it moved thru society

 

In my life any virus I have seen in the last 60 years was always quick to attach to youngsters

This one was the opposite & seemed at least initially to mainly attach to seniors

 

Also how it took a weak link in its host & used it was also odd where as in other viruses it was always the virus/infection itself

 

But as mentioned with all the attention of young researchers I'm hopeful we will eventually have an explanation

 

That's interesting.  A lot of times diseases do affect the young and the old more seriously than others, but Covid didn't work that way with the young.  The thing to remember, though, is that a lot of childhood illnesses that children get are more dangerous for adults, mumps is a good example.  

[MichaelHunt]

On 3/1/2023 at 6:16 AM, Scott said:

The origin of the coronavirus occurred in nature, most likely in bats.  That is what a lot of researchers will be looking for.  The closest virus found thus far is RaTG13, with a 96.2% found in bats in Yunnan Province.  That is the closest known full genome match to SARS-CoV-2.  That is what I am referring to. 

 

I have no idea what you are blithering on about that has anything to do with what I posted.  

 

 

[richard_smith237]

There just happened to be an outbreak in the City which contains the Wuhan Institute of Virology at which one of the worlds leading virologists [Dr Shi Zhengli] had been studying Coronaviruses for, years, specifically sequencing viral genomes, isolating live viruses and though trying to understand how they ‘may’ evolve the capability to infect humans...    and this was all happening at a the very biolab that was previously heavily criticised in reports for its poor safety standards (due operating at the same biosafety level as a dentist surgery). 

 

I don’t believe the leak was deliberate... I suspect it was just a mistake, complacency perhaps.

 

Leaks from biolabs are not uncommon.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity_incidents

 

 

 

IMO - it is only politics that impacts the narrative that this wasn’t a leak - China (or scientist working within China) is guilty of gross negligence which impacted the world on an extraordinary scale - thats a big mess to deal with, its easier for all the politicians to blame it on bats... plausible, but in a town that has a biolab where coronaviruses are studied...  thats just too much coincidence. 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2023 by richard_smith237