Asylum plan 'very concerning' and would break international law - UN refugee agency

[Jumbo1968]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So yes, immigration is a Tory Government failure.

 

Taking back control hasn’t worked out has it?!

Farage has a lot to answer for as has he was the one quoting this, we now have more immigration than pre brexit.

Unfortunately stopping the Freedom of Movement has seen a huge labour shortage in the labour market.
Another consequence of brexit is any non Eu citizen visiting an Eu country will have to compete a ETIAS  online and pay a €7 fee in 2024.

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The government is doing its job by enforcing immigration rules

The government is not enforcing immigration rules, they are making up new ones on the hoof, they were incapable of enforcing the old.

Only the delusional thought the French would go out of their way to help post brexit.

People should have thought a bit more about what they wished for.

[Foghorn]

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So that excuses the UK breaking international law how?

Should claim asylum in the first safe country they enter

[Foghorn]

1 hour ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Farage has a lot to answer for as has he was the one quoting this, we now have more immigration than pre brexit.

Unfortunately stopping the Freedom of Movement has seen a huge labour shortage in the labour market.
Another consequence of brexit is any non Eu citizen visiting an Eu country will have to compete a ETIAS  online and pay a €7 fee in 2024.

Can’t you afford that

[bannork]

13 minutes ago, Foghorn said:

Should claim asylum in the first safe country they enter

That would overwhelm Greece, Italy and Croatia.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 hours ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Farage has a lot to answer for as has he was the one quoting this, we now have more immigration than pre brexit.

Unfortunately stopping the Freedom of Movement has seen a huge labour shortage in the labour market.
Another consequence of brexit is any non Eu citizen visiting an Eu country will have to compete a ETIAS  online and pay a €7 fee in 2024.

You seem to getting legal immigration mixed up with illegal immigration .

   

[Jumbo1968]

1 hour ago, Foghorn said:

Can’t you afford that

Not the point pre Brexit there was no fee, with a family it will add to the cost their cost of their holiday.

If the UK were still in the UK there would be no fee.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

The government is not enforcing immigration rules, they are making up new ones on the hoof, they were incapable of enforcing the old.

 

What are those new immigration rules being made up?

[Chomper Higgot]

52 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You seem to getting legal immigration mixed up with illegal immigration .

   

As opposed to getting seeking asylum mixed up with breaking the law.

[Jumbo1968]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You seem to getting legal immigration mixed up with illegal immigration .

   

I am aware of the difference, Illegal is entering the U.K. with out a visa, legal immigration is entering the U.K. with a visa.

Prior to brexit people from the member states could enter the U.K. without a visa, they still had go through Passport Control as we weren’t a member of Schengen.

[simple1]

On 3/8/2023 at 7:46 PM, DaLa said:

Presumably there are no other countries in the world  breaking international law. And an illegal act is a 'concern' for the UN ?

HMG is copying the Australian "Pacific Solution" for asylum seeker boat arrivals, which also contravenes the UN Convention for Refugees to which both countries are signatories. However, there is not an enforcement / penalty mechanism for breach of the Convention. it would be interesting to have the data for asylum seeker arrivals by air and immediately claim refugee status who are accepted for processing. Some background info...

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

Edited March 9, 2023 by simple1

[bannork]

Retaliation from the EU if UK leaves ECHR. Would that affect the Good Friday agreement too?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/08/eu-could-terminate-police-and-security-agreement-if-uk-quits-echr

 

Even the government know the Bill's illegal internationally 

 

[Jumbo1968]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

HMG is copying the Australian "Pacific Solution" for asylum seeker boat arrivals, which also contravenes the UN Convention for Refugees to which both countries are signatories. However, there is not an enforcement / penalty mechanism for breach of the Convention. it would be interesting to have the data for asylum seeker arrivals by air and immediately claim refugee status who are accepted for processing. Some background info...

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

To arrive in the U.K. they would have to have a visa, normal visitor visa is 6 months, they wouldn’t have been allowed to board a flight with out a valid visa.

[Foghorn]

3 hours ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Not the point pre Brexit there was no fee, with a family it will add to the cost their cost of their holiday.

If the UK were still in the UK there would be no fee.

Democracy, do you believe in it , because we voted to leave an un democratic union

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What are those new immigration rules being made up?

Maybe I am mistaken but wasn't there a new bill in the House this week, March 7th, and didn't the rules change in Oct 22 and Jan 21.

Making things up as they go along.

 

[sandyf]

13 hours ago, Foghorn said:

Democracy, do you believe in it , because we voted to leave an un democratic union

It is not about democracy. The population were mislead into voting for potential gain, they were never advised about the potential pain.

The whole fiasco has led the UK into advocating the breach of international conventions and the eventual breakup of the undemocratic "Union" known as the UK.

[Jumbo1968]

54 minutes ago, sandyf said:

It is not about democracy. The population were mislead into voting for potential gain, they were never advised about the potential pain.

The whole fiasco has led the UK into advocating the breach of international conventions and the eventual breakup of the undemocratic "Union" known as the UK.

Couldn’t have put it better.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/9/2023 at 4:54 PM, bannork said:

So how can genuine refugees, for example Afghanis, Iranians fleeing persecution from their governments, arrive legally in the UK?

They apply from the first safe country they get to.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, bannork said:

That would overwhelm Greece, Italy and Croatia.

Then they can take their own measures to stop the immigrants landing without legal entry requirements. Hasn't Hungary done so?

I thought Italy was already refusing to allow "rescue" ships docking in Italian ports.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, simple1 said:

HMG is copying the Australian "Pacific Solution" for asylum seeker boat arrivals, which also contravenes the UN Convention for Refugees to which both countries are signatories. However, there is not an enforcement / penalty mechanism for breach of the Convention. it would be interesting to have the data for asylum seeker arrivals by air and immediately claim refugee status who are accepted for processing. Some background info...

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

The Australian solution was to stop people dying at sea, and it's worked. As I see it the UK version is for the same reason.

To allow the same situation to continue is to allow more loss of life at sea, IMO.

[bannork]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Then they can take their own measures to stop the immigrants landing without legal entry requirements. Hasn't Hungary done so?

I thought Italy was already refusing to allow "rescue" ships docking in Italian ports.

So if the first safe country refuses them, what can genuine asylum seekers do? 

Seek another safe country

[Jumbo1968]

12 minutes ago, bannork said:

So if the first safe country refuses them, what can genuine asylum seekers do? 

Seek another safe country

I would have thought when they reached a safe country they would be detained as they are illegal, it would appear EU countries make no effort to detain them or house them in hotels like the U.K. do.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, Jumbo1968 said:

I would have thought when they reached a safe country they would be detained as they are illegal, it would appear EU countries make no effort to detain them or house them in hotels like the U.K. do.

Quite.

 

Six years ago, Calais's infamous Jungle migrant camp was demolished by French police. Today, the camp itself has gone, but the migrants and the smugglers who profit from them remain. In fact, they are more numerous than ever before, with a record number of people attempting to cross the Channel in August 2022. The situation is putting a strain on relations between France and the United Kingdom.

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/france-in-focus/20220916-calais-migrants-a-never-ending-crisis

[transam]

On 3/9/2023 at 1:06 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

So yes, immigration is a Tory Government failure.

 

Taking back control hasn’t worked out has it?!

How can it be a failure if your lot would let them all in............

Corby & Abbott, champing at the bit.....????

[transam]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

So if the first safe country refuses them, what can genuine asylum seekers do? 

Seek another safe country

Go back home....Simple really..............????

[sandyf]

22 hours ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Prior to brexit people from the member states could enter the U.K. without a visa, they still had go through Passport Control as we weren’t a member of Schengen.

This was one of the great misconceptions during the brexit campaign. The arch brexiteers like Farage made such an issue out of open borders that may who had never left the country came to believe that people from the EU could just enter the country without any check whatsoever. 

Schengen meant nothing to them.

[bannork]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They apply from the first safe country they get to.

But they couldn't apply for asylum in the UK without being in the UK 

[transam]

Just now, bannork said:

But they couldn't apply for asylum in the UK without being in the UK 

Then go through the proper channels, not pay a bloke to canoe them across one....????

[JonnyF]

6 hours ago, sandyf said:

It is not about democracy. The population were mislead into voting for potential gain, they were never advised about the potential pain.

Nonsense. The Remain side went completely overboard on the pain. 10% drop in GDP, outbreaks of gonorrhea, they had all kinds of apocalyptic scenarios to try and scare people into staying in the clutches of the corrupt EU.

 

6 hours ago, sandyf said:

The whole fiasco has led the UK into advocating the breach of international conventions and the eventual breakup of the undemocratic "Union" known as the UK.

Breakup of the UK? No chance. Especially now Sturgeon has died on the hill of putting male rapists into female prisons. All that work to try to get Scottish Independence and then she blows it all defending the rights of a convicted rapist. Absolute lunacy.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, transam said:

How can it be a failure if your lot would let them all in............

Corby & Abbott, champing at the bit.....????

Tory Party immigration policy failures are observable facts.

 

Failures that are entirely the fault of this Tory Government, getting it wrong for over twelve years.

 

Nothing whatsoever to do with what you imagine others might do.