Uganda parliament passes bill to jail gay people

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Musa Ecweru has stated explicitly that he will make sure that "...there will be no space for homosexuals in Uganda."  

What is in the legislation? 

[Baht Simpson]

3 hours ago, proton said:

Up to the populations of countries to decide, nobody should have minorty propaganda forced on them at every turn

Equality is not propaganda.  Majorities are often against equality. 

[Jingthing]

People trying to trivialize what Uganda is doing or resorting to Muslim whatsboutism make me wonder if they support what Uganda is doing. 

 

It's important to note that the anti gay movement in Uganda has been heavily influenced by American fascist Christian evangelicals.

These American fascists are trying to do similar evil things in the US in the name of religion. They have had great success recently viciously scapegoating transgender Americans specifically.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/

 

How U.S. Evangelicals Helped Homophobia Flourish in Africa

Anti-gay sentiment had previously existed on the continent, but white American religious groups have given it a boost.

Edited March 23, 2023 by Jingthing

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not only about behaviors!

It's about behaviors

AND

Identity

AND

not reporting people that you know with the criminalized identity.

In some ways much worse than many Muslim countries.

How are identities identified without behavior? 

 

I agree this kind of thing in appalling, and I support cutting off any aid and whatnot to all the countries that criminalize this type of behavior. 

[Baht Simpson]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What is in the legislation? 

Uganda parliament passes bill criminalizing identifying as LGBTQ, imposes death penalty for some offenses

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/21/africa/uganda-lgbtq-law-passes-intl/index.html

[Callmeishmael]

23 hours ago, mrfill said:

And what about the other 81 countries who also outlaw homosexuality?

I'm fairly sure that many of those countries have oil.  

 

Oil trumps human rights!

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

Uganda parliament passes bill criminalizing identifying as LGBTQ, imposes death penalty for some offenses

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/21/africa/uganda-lgbtq-law-passes-intl/index.html

Yeah, but again, it seems to be criminalizing behavior, and again, I am not defending it nor do I support it. 

 

[Baht Simpson]

4 minutes ago, Callmeishmael said:

I'm fairly sure that many of those countries have oil.  

 

Oil trumps human rights!

Many don't and some aren't Muslim. Last year Singapore repealed their gay sex prohibition.  Some other counties may follow suit. That's the difference here. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Actually. it is not " about a country legislating to jail people simply for existing.", to be honest, it's about a country legislating to jail people for particular behaviors. 

 

To be clear, I do not support the legislation, nor am I excusing it, but it is what it is. 

 

 

Being gay is not a behaviour.

[Yellowtail]

37 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Being gay is not a behaviour.

I never said it was.

 

Did you have a point? 

[Jingthing]

There appears to be some confusion here about acts vs. Identify.

 

Let's use Nazis to shed light on this.

 

Nazi's goal was to murder all Jews.

 

It made no difference whether a Jew went to temple, was observant or not.

 

Simply the identity of being a Jew was enough. Nazis used ancestry going back. Jews often use having a  Jewish mother or not.

 

So that should make it simple for everyone to understand that acts and identity are DIFFERENT.

 

Uganda had criminalized LGBT acts as in sex acts.

 

The change is about also criminalizing LGBT IDENTITY and also those who know of LGBT people and don't report them.

 

A very serious escalation.

 

If it was only sex acts most people could be safe if they were careful to be very private about their sex acts.

 

Expansion to identity and reporting makes it almost impossible to evade these laws.

 

There are those right wingers who assert LGBT identity doesn’t exist. That view is ignorant and wrong.

Edited March 24, 2023 by Jingthing

[Baht Simpson]

The bill could still be vetoed although that's looking unlikely now.  Chillingly Musa Ecweru has stated that they will "....reinforce the law enforcement officers..." to deal with homosexuals, so it seems like it's going to be an all-out attack on the LGBT community.

 

Why the Transport Minister has this brief is unclear.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/23/2023 at 7:29 PM, RuamRudy said:

How many such topics appear here? 

The reference was to Islamic countries and not much appears on this forum about them that I have seen.

[RuamRudy]

41 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The reference was to Islamic countries and not much appears on this forum about them that I have seen.

But this forum does not encapsulate the total gamut of protest and campaigning in respect to, well, anything. Therefore, the post to which I was initially responding:

 

On 3/23/2023 at 9:52 AM, proton said:

Same as many muslim countries, you don't hear much outrage about them though

is clearly false unless one bases one's perspective solely on the topics posited in World News. 

[RuamRudy]

An interesting point in today's Guardian:

 

"Nicolas Opiyo, a Ugandan human rights lawyer and campaigner, told the Guardian: “The wave of homophobia and transphobia in Uganda, and the region, has nothing to do with Ugandan or African values. It is a disguised campaign by American evangelicals through their local actors."