Crossy Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I need some "slow" cyano, this sort of thing: - Amazon are showing OOS/not Available https://www.amazon.com/Super-Spray-Adhesive-Activator-MITREAPEL/dp/B08CC9D439/ Bright ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Encid Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Would a 2-part epoxy product work? Link to Thaiwatsadu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Encid said: Would a 2-part epoxy product work? Not really, it needs to be able to bond fairly rapidly (10-20 seconds) and be of low viscosity to flow into a very thin joint face. Regular cyano works, but it's just a tad too fast, need just a little adjustment time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 AliExpress I have never seen a 2 part cyanoacrylate in any shop I’ve been to 7 minutes ago, Encid said: Would a 2-part epoxy product work? The cyanoacrylate sets within 10 seconds, any epoxy takes minutes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, sometimewoodworker said: AliExpress I have never seen a 2 part cyanoacrylate in any shop I’ve been to The cyanoacrylate sets within 10 seconds, any epoxy takes minutes Yeah, I found the same stuff on Ali (shipping from Turkey). The lower cost versions don't ship here possibly due to Hazchem issues ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 https://www.woodworkersjournal.com/homemade-ca-glue-accelerator/ Or dry fit the parts and use a toothpick to dribble the CA into the crack. Capillary action does the rest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: https://www.woodworkersjournal.com/homemade-ca-glue-accelerator/ Or dry fit the parts and use a toothpick to dribble the CA into the crack. Capillary action does the rest. The problem is I don't have the "slow" cyano, the stuff I have is the "instant" variety. Now if someone has a link to a local source of the slow stuff ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Crossy said: The problem is I don't have the "slow" cyano, the stuff I have is the "instant" variety. Now if someone has a link to a local source of the slow stuff ... OK but surely the reason for using CA is that it is fast. Otherwise you could use epoxy? Minutes not seconds. Depending on the material being glued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: OK but surely the reason for using CA is that it is fast. Otherwise you could use epoxy? Minutes not seconds. Depending on the material being glued. The application requires a low-viscosity adhesive (so it will wick into the joint) that cures rapidly (glued area is quite large but the bond thickness is very small) whilst allowing a little "adjustment" time. The regular one-part cyano is just a little too quick, I need 10-20 seconds of wriggle time before it grabs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) Thicker CA glue has a longer bonding time. But yes not as good at wicking. Loctite has CA glues with set times ranging from 5 to 45 seconds. Loctite 406 with a set time of 30 seconds might be the crack? https://www.henkel-adhesives.com/th/en/product/instant-adhesives/loctite_406.html Edited March 28, 2023 by VocalNeal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phetphet Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) Crossy. Have you tried ordering from Amazon US store? In stock there, and look like choice of viscosities. I often order stuff from there rather than UK as both more and different choices. https://www.amazon.com/FastCap-2P-10-Industrial-Cyanoacrylate-Separately/dp/B09N7QJ2C3/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3FBYCGLM7M0B6&keywords=two+part+cyanoacrylate+glue&qid=1679978429&sprefix=two+part+cyanoacr%2Caps%2C410&sr=8-3 Edited March 28, 2023 by phetphet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 Yeah ^^^, I was hoping for instant gratification ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Crossy said: Yeah ^^^, I was hoping for instant gratification ???? Loctite 406 is on Lazada from Samut Prakan. But it is not instant. 30 Secs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: Thicker CA glue has a longer bonding time. But yes not as good at wicking. Loctite has CA glues with set times ranging from 5 to 45 seconds. Loctite 406 with a set time of 30 seconds might be the crack? https://www.henkel-adhesives.com/th/en/product/instant-adhesives/loctite_406.html Bingo. Give the man a prize ???? https://www.lazada.co.th/products/loctite-495-401-406-ca-20-g-super-bonder-instant-adhesive-loctite495-loctite401-loctite406-tss-i304242164-s14161550130.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, VocalNeal said: Loctite 406 is on Lazada from Samut Prakan. But it is not instant. 30 Secs. It's actually ideal. The "instant gratification" was aimed at getting it "instantly". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextG Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Not sure if I saw such a product in a branch of Mr DIY whilst roaming around the dark side.. I nearly picked up a packet, but then remembered that I’m only good at sticking my fingers together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
degrub Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Or threadlocker permanent should be available locally from machine shop / auto parts suppliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Crossy said: Bingo. Give the man a prize ???? I owe it all to slot car racing. A bit geeky but has its uses. Gave up some years ago when my neighbour with the track moved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: I owe it all to slot car racing. A bit geeky but has its uses. Gave up some years ago when my neighbour with the track moved. My Uncle Phil (mum's brother) now sadly long departed was an avid slot-car man. Small Scalextric size stuff in his garage, 4 lane DIY track from hardboard and foil strips. In summer we raced 1/24 (or something like that) cars on an outdoor track, faster and more spectacular on (OK, coming off at) the corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 8 hours ago, phetphet said: Crossy. Have you tried ordering from Amazon US store? Amazon will not ship that to Thailand, probably because of the spray can 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phetphet Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said: Amazon will not ship that to Thailand, probably because of the spray can I think they will. For a start it's not in a spray can. Just a squeeze bottle. Also see the following copy and paste. Anyway, not all the different ones are in stock. looks like the thin stuff is out of stock. $26.00 ($13.00 / Count) No Import Fees Deposit & $9.72 Shipping to Thailand Details Delivery Wednesday, April 5 Deliver to Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulfsailor Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 You could try this. Put the parts and regular super glue in the fridge, move to an open freezer (quickly so the parts can’t condensate), and do your glueing in there. It’ll make the curing go considerably slower. After being done move them back to the closed fridge quickly and let it cure in there slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, phetphet said: I think they will. For a start it's not in a spray can. Just a squeeze bottle. Also see the following copy and paste. Anyway, not all the different ones are in stock. looks like the thin stuff is out of stock. $26.00 ($13.00 / Count) No Import Fees Deposit & $9.72 Shipping to Thailand Details Delivery Wednesday, April 5 Deliver to Thailand All the 2 part CA glue have seen have a spray activator so that is where the problem arrives. Also I see no information apart from price in your post. Edited March 28, 2023 by sometimewoodworker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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