Justice Dept. said to have more evidence of possible Trump obstruction at Mar-a-Lago

[onthedarkside]

 

Justice Department and FBI investigators have amassed fresh evidence pointing to possible obstruction by former president Donald Trump in the investigation into top-secret documents found at his Mar-a-Lago home, according to people familiar with the matter.

 

The additional evidence comes as investigators have used emails and text messages from a former Trump aide to help understand key moments last year, said the people, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing criminal investigation.

 

The new details highlight the degree to which special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into the potential mishandling of hundreds of classified national security papers at Trump’s Florida home and private club has come to focus on the obstruction elements of the case — whether the former president took or directed actions to impede government efforts to collect all the sensitive records.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/02/trump-mar-a-lago-obstruction-classified/

 

 

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Even before this the likelihood of evidence against Trump on an obstruction of justice charge seemed  clear. Unless his lawyer, Evan Corcoran, lied without Trump's knowledge about the continued presence of unauthorized documents on the property which seems quite unlikely.

I remember the hullabaloo that right wingers raised when the FBI confiscated some personal effects from Trump's bedroom. But that was to show that not only were the documents located at Mar a Lago, but that Trump was actually using them.

[Tug]

Wonder if trumps going to try to pull a runner this is getting uglier by the day 

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

Justice Department and FBI investigators have amassed fresh evidence pointing to possible obstruction by former president Donald Trump in the investigation into top-secret documents found at his Mar-a-Lago home, according to people familiar with the matter.

Seems that there is a lot of "possible" going on with leaks about Trump. Always has been in the past and they all came to nowt when it came to it.

[Misty]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Wonder if trumps going to try to pull a runner this is getting uglier by the day 

From the OP article, pretty damning stuff:

 

"In the classified documents case, federal investigators have gathered new and significant evidence that after the subpoena was delivered, Trump looked through the contents of some of the boxes of documents in his home, apparently out of a desire to keep certain things in his possession, the people familiar with the investigation said.

 

Investigators now suspect, based on witness statements, security camera footage, and other documentary evidence, that boxes including classified material were moved from a Mar-a-Lago storage area after the subpoena was served, and that Trump personally examined at least some of those boxes, these people said. While Trump’s team returned some documents with classified markings in response to the subpoena, a later FBI search found more than 100 additional classified items that had not been turned over."

 

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems that there is a lot of "possible" going on with leaks about Trump. Always has been in the past and they all came to nowt when it came to it.

You can always live in hope.

[Purdey]

Am I the only one surprised to hear that Trump can, possibly, read? 

[RichardColeman]

Probably about as 'possible' as Hillary's paid for Russian dossier.

 

The harrassment Trump is getting is just silly now. Just one sided investigations time after time.

 

Not seen one Dem supporter on here saying Dems should be investigated for anything - even proven Chinese money links to Biden.

 

I fully support any prosecution of Trump - if he has done something illegal - but sheesh the one sided democrat prosecutions speak volumes of current socialist America.

 

When USA finally does go full socialist, bet your life the people moaning about Trump on here will have wished they had supported him way back when.

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2 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Not seen one Dem supporter on here saying Dems should be investigated for anything - even proven Chinese money links to Biden.

.

Are you reverring to Joe Biden? If so, please share with us those "proven money links".

As I am sure you are aware the landing page for this forum states:

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

I await with interest the links you will provide.

[ozimoron]

13 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Probably about as 'possible' as Hillary's paid for Russian dossier.

 

The harrassment Trump is getting is just silly now. Just one sided investigations time after time.

 

Not seen one Dem supporter on here saying Dems should be investigated for anything - even proven Chinese money links to Biden.

 

I fully support any prosecution of Trump - if he has done something illegal - but sheesh the one sided democrat prosecutions speak volumes of current socialist America.

 

When USA finally does go full socialist, bet your life the people moaning about Trump on here will have wished they had supported him way back when.

Rubbish, many people here have said bring it on, if the dems are guilty of any crimes let them face justice. The US has been socialist for a long time, as has every other country bar none.

 

What do you call full socialist? An actual functioning medical benefits system like every other peer country has?

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10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Rubbish, many people here have said bring it on, if the dems are guilty of any crimes let them face justice. The US has been socialist for a long time, as has every other country bar none.

 

What do you call full socialist? An actual functioning medical benefits system like every other peer country has?

You will never get these people to define socialism. For them it's a reflexive tick. Very Pavlovian, and unmoored from the higher centers of thought.

[Chomper Higgot]

50 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Probably about as 'possible' as Hillary's paid for Russian dossier.

 

The harrassment Trump is getting is just silly now. Just one sided investigations time after time.

 

Not seen one Dem supporter on here saying Dems should be investigated for anything - even proven Chinese money links to Biden.

 

I fully support any prosecution of Trump - if he has done something illegal - but sheesh the one sided democrat prosecutions speak volumes of current socialist America.

 

When USA finally does go full socialist, bet your life the people moaning about Trump on here will have wished they had supported him way back when.

Here’s my response into news of President Biden holding classified documents:

 

On 1/10/2023 at 7:42 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Good to see President Biden’s lawyers acting decisively to report this find.

 

Good to see USAG acting decisively to investigate the matter.

 

If criminality is found, then indict.

 

The criminal holding, withholding or concealment of classified documents should always be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

 

If criminality is not found, make a clear unequivocal statement to that effect.

 

 

 

 

[Tug]

36 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You will never get these people to define socialism. For them it's a reflexive tick. Very Pavlovian, and unmoored from the higher centers of thought.

Personally I think it’s their safe spot when anything threatens their world view they get scared and retreat to their comfort words kinda like Sara suckabees response to president Biden’s state of the union address 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

Probably about as 'possible' as Hillary's paid for Russian dossier.

 

The harrassment Trump is getting is just silly now. Just one sided investigations time after time.

 

Not seen one Dem supporter on here saying Dems should be investigated for anything - even proven Chinese money links to Biden.

 

I fully support any prosecution of Trump - if he has done something illegal - but sheesh the one sided democrat prosecutions speak volumes of current socialist America.

 

When USA finally does go full socialist, bet your life the people moaning about Trump on here will have wished they had supported him way back when.

Where is your proof of Chinese money links to Biden?

 

If Trump has done nothing wrong, can you explain why so many different State courts have been investigating him?

 

If President Biden and his family have been committing crimes, can you explain why there has been no provable evidence against the family? 

 

Of course if YOU have the irrefutable  proof that President Biden's family have committed crimes then why have you not sent this proof to the courts, the GOP committee investigating the alleged crimes and to the social media? 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Are you reverring to Joe Biden? If so, please share with us those "proven money links".

As I am sure you are aware the landing page for this forum states:

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

I await with interest the links you will provide.

Me too, but I won't be holding my breath while I wait.

[placeholder]

23 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Me too, but I won't be holding my breath while I wait.

In this case even if you were immortal, I doubt you'll get an answer from RichardColeman.

[mushroomdave]

Yup......this one was just the first of many to come.....you're up Georgia 555555555555555

[heybruce]

For those who may not know:  RichardColeman is a fact-free poster.  He never provides sources for his claims because he can't.  He just paraphrases the idiotic things the talking heads on television tell him.

[2baht]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems that there is a lot of "possible" going on with leaks about Trump. Always has been in the past and they all came to nowt when it came to it.

Yes, butter woud'nt melt in his mealy mouth, would it? ???? 

[herfiehandbag]

14 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Probably about as 'possible' as Hillary's paid for Russian dossier.

 

The harrassment Trump is getting is just silly now. Just one sided investigations time after time.

 

Not seen one Dem supporter on here saying Dems should be investigated for anything - even proven Chinese money links to Biden.

 

I fully support any prosecution of Trump - if he has done something illegal - but sheesh the one sided democrat prosecutions speak volumes of current socialist America.

 

When USA finally does go full socialist, bet your life the people moaning about Trump on here will have wished they had supported him way back when.

Umh, where to start?

 

It can only been determined that Trump ( or anyone else) has broken the law, if an investigation finds evidence. The evidence is then used in a prosecution to attempt to prove that the law has been broken.

 

Now, an investigation to try and find such evidence is, by definition, somewhat one sided.

 

Where impartiality comes into the process is when the evidence is presented before a court.

 

As for "going full socialist" I would suggest that the USA is more likely to end up more like a dystopian "thugocracy" in the vein of the "Mad Max" movie franchise than it is to become a socialist state.

 

Neither is particularly likely, but there are certainly those on the right who would wish to dismantle or pervert the checks and balances, and agencies, which serve to prevent society from breaking down.

 

Maybe, like the Bolsheviks of old, they see the opportunity of power in chaos?