Bill Barr: DOJ could have 'very good evidence' of possible Trump obstruction in documents case

[onthedarkside]

 

Former Attorney General Bill Barr, once one of Donald Trump's most loyal defenders, said the investigation of classified documents could pose a real threat for the former president, even as he slammed a prosecutor's indictment of Trump in a separate probe last week.

 

Barr said Trump played "games" with federal investigators as they sought to retrieve the documents from Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate. Those games, Barr said on ABC's "This Week," could amount to obstruction of justice.

 

"I think that's a serious potential case. I think they probably have some very good evidence there," Barr said.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/09/bill-barr-donald-trump-indictment-classified-documents/11631484002/

 

[ukrules]

13 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

Those games, Barr said on ABC's "This Week," could amount to obstruction of justice.

Arrested for playing games, this one's going to be good

[Tug]

Well duhhh we all have known about this for months just stating the obvious the real question is does trump understand it or does his mental illness prevent him from truly understanding the deep deep trouble he’s in not that I personally give a rats behind just lock him up allready 

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 minute ago, Tug said:

Well duhhh we all have known about this for months just stating the obvious the real question is does trump understand it or does his mental illness prevent him from truly understanding the deep deep trouble he’s in not that I personally give a rats behind just lock him up allready 

Are you a doctor? How did you diagnose Trump's mental illness? How does his cognitive ability and unscripted stage performances compare with his peers? I suspect you are peddling conspiracy theories again(recently definds as any statement of fact not backed up by a credible link.).

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you a doctor? How did you diagnose Trump's mental illness? How does his cognitive ability and unscripted stage performances compare with his peers? I suspect you are peddling conspiracy theories again(recently definds as any statement of fact not backed up by a credible link.).

You need to read up on what a conspiracey theory is again:

 

Trump has narcissistic personality disorder, says leading psychoanalyst

A leading psychoanalyst and clinical professor at the George Washington University School of Medicine has claimed that president Donald Trump suffers from “narcissistic personality disorder”.

Dr John Zinner, the former head of the Unit on Family Therapy Studies at the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), made the claim in an interview with Yale forensic psychiatrist Bandy X Lee

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-narcissistic-personality-disorder-mary-trump-john-zinner-bandy-x-lee-a9665856.html

[pomchop]

Sort of like the games that Bill Barr played with the Mueller report as he totally mischaracterized the findings to try and protect his god, savior, boss, the don who made multiple attempts to weaponize the DOJ against a wide variety of enemies. 

 

Next thing you know  lying Lyndsey will claim he is over and done with trump...oh wait he already did that along with mealy mouth maga moron McCarthy.  The clown car is running out of gas.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you a doctor? How did you diagnose Trump's mental illness? How does his cognitive ability and unscripted stage performances compare with his peers? I suspect you are peddling conspiracy theories again(recently definds as any statement of fact not backed up by a credible link.).

It always amazes me as to how many anti Trumpers on this subforum are able to psychically diagnose mental conditions despite not a/ being qualified to do so, and not b/ having actually examined him in person. Far as I know, both a and b are required to give a medical diagnosis.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, onthedarkside said:

Former Attorney General Bill Barr, once one of Donald Trump's most loyal defenders, said the investigation of classified documents could pose a real threat for the former president, even as he slammed a prosecutor's indictment of Trump in a separate probe last week.

Is Barr trying to have it both ways?

[pomchop]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It always amazes me as to how many anti Trumpers on this subforum are able to psychically diagnose mental conditions despite not a/ being qualified to do so, and not b/ having actually examined him in person. Far as I know, both a and b are required to give a medical diagnosis.

Saying trump is mentally ill is a kind way of saying he is not fit to be anywhere near the white house as that is at least a semi excuse for his behavior.

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27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It always amazes me as to how many anti Trumpers on this subforum are able to psychically diagnose mental conditions despite not a/ being qualified to do so, and not b/ having actually examined him in person. Far as I know, both a and b are required to give a medical diagnosis.

Do you have similar problem with those diagnosing Biden as suffering from dementia?

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1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you a doctor? How did you diagnose Trump's mental illness? How does his cognitive ability and unscripted stage performances compare with his peers? I suspect you are peddling conspiracy theories again(recently definds as any statement of fact not backed up by a credible link.).

So, I'm sure you agree that it is equally illegitimate to be diagnosing Biden as suffering from dementia?

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1 hour ago, ukrules said:

Arrested for playing games, this one's going to be good

Definition of "playing games"

to try to deceive someone: Don't play games with me! SMART Vocabulary: related words and phrases. Cheating & tricking.Mar 29, 2566 BE

PLAY GAMES | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+does+"playing+games"+mean&sxsrf=APwXEdcUamjIgMoNbHreLHk0rXkpAS34Ag%3A1681087193052&ei=2VozZMrjArGj5NoPw_ieyA0&ved=0ahUKEwiKtOnniZ7-AhWxEVkFHUO8B9kQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=what+does+"playing+games"+mean&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIGCAAQBxAeMgYIABAHEB4yCAgAEAcQHhAPMggIABAHEB4QDzIKCAAQBxAeEA8QCjIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgQIABAeMgYIABAeEA8yBggAEB4QDzoKCAAQRxDWBBCwAzoKCAAQigUQsAMQQzoNCAAQ5AIQ1gQQsAMYAToPCC4QigUQyAMQsAMQQxgCOggIABAHEB4QCkoECEEYAFDACliEeGD6gAFoAXABeAGAAZwHiAGmGZIBBzQtMS4zLjGYAQCgAQHIARPAAQHaAQYIARABGAnaAQYIAhABGAg&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

[Tug]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you a doctor? How did you diagnose Trump's mental illness? How does his cognitive ability and unscripted stage performances compare with his peers? I suspect you are peddling conspiracy theories again(recently definds as any statement of fact not backed up by a credible link.).

I have two eyes two ears and a functioning brain I’ve seen the results of his (governance) I’ve seen this nutter threaten the DA and the judge in charge of this the least serious of all the cases against him that’s just stupid 

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It always amazes me as to how many anti Trumpers on this subforum are able to psychically diagnose mental conditions despite not a/ being qualified to do so, and not b/ having actually examined him in person. Far as I know, both a and b are required to give a medical diagnosis.

Yet, Telehealth with modern digital technology plays a large part in medical diagnosis of patients in remote areas and was used extensively during COVID. That is IMHO!

 

[bendejo]

Mr Happy Hippo here knows he is sitting on a powder keg.  With reckoning on the horizon he's trying deflect blame to cover his own huge _ss.

"He's the criminal" he says, pointing like a Thai.  "Not me! Not me, HIM!"

Sniveling pile walrus flesh.

 

 

[LosLobo]

I would suggest that any comment about any legal case against DT by Barr carries little weight as he has no longer has any credibility.

 

Barr gave his allegiance to DT and not the Constitution and will long be remembered along side others like Benedict Arnold. His disservice to the DOJ has forever "poisoned the well" of the perceived impartiality of the DOJ, as is still evident today.

 

I would also suggest that Barr would not know 'obstruction of justice' if it bite him on his fat a**.

 

His analysis of the Mueller Report was fraudulent even though Mueller clearly stated that Trump was guilty of obstruction and that there was evidence of Russian collusion which Manafort later admitted.

 

His findings have perpetrated the myth by Trump et alia of the Russia Russia Hoax.

 

William Barr shifts from defending Trump’s actions to defending his own - The Washington Post (googleusercontent.com)

 

Paul Manafort Exclusive: I Gave Trump Campaign Polling Data to Russian Associate (googleusercontent.com)

 

[candide]

The beauty of this case is that it relies on plain material evidence: took/not took, keep/not keep, hide/not hide, lie/not lie, obstruct/not obstruct.

We know Trump willingly took the document (he officially stated ut) and kept them, we know there was obstruction (part of the documents were not given back and have been hiden), and we know there were formally lies (a statement signed by one of his lawyer).

The only thing they need is enough evidence that the obstruction and lies were caused by Trump, and they probably already have it.

[Kwaibill]

It is not necessary to be a doctor, etc., to opine that Trump is a nutter. People who ARE doctors, etc., have confirmed this.

[mushroomdave]

His day is coming....just like his 2 buddies.........

[Grusa]

10 hours ago, placeholder said:

Do you have similar problem with those diagnosing Biden as suffering from dementia?

...and then there's Putin!

[berrec]

Let's go after Biden for a more egregious act than what Trump is accused of.

 

Trump had alleged classified documents in a secure location, FBI inspected and guarded by the President's Secret Service personnel

 

Biden, had them laying in open view in multiple locations; even an alleged Chinese restaurant.

 

What's the greater miss handling of alleged classified documents here.

 

Yes, I know it’s a rhetorical question, Biden, of course! 

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12 minutes ago, berrec said:

Let's go after Biden for a more egregious act than what Trump is accused of.

 

Trump had alleged classified documents in a secure location, FBI inspected and guarded by the President's Secret Service personnel

 

Biden, had them laying in open view in multiple locations; even an alleged Chinese restaurant.

 

What's the greater miss handling of alleged classified documents here.

 

Yes, I know it’s a rhetorical question, Biden, of course! 

Trump's documents were not guarded by the Secret Service. Their job is to protect people.

Also, it is only a crime if it can be shown that the the person in question knowingly had possession of the documents.

It is also a crime to refuse to return documents once the National Archives requests their return.

It is also a crime to lie about possession of documents. That would be called obstruction of justice.

Apart from these few quibbles, thanks for the great post.

[candide]

6 hours ago, berrec said:

Let's go after Biden for a more egregious act than what Trump is accused of.

 

Trump had alleged classified documents in a secure location, FBI inspected and guarded by the President's Secret Service personnel

 

Biden, had them laying in open view in multiple locations; even an alleged Chinese restaurant.

 

What's the greater miss handling of alleged classified documents here.

 

Yes, I know it’s a rhetorical question, Biden, of course! 

The Biden and Pence cases (they are similar) are very different from the Trump case.

Next time, get informed before posting.

 

https://apnews.com/article/biden-politics-united-states-government-michael-pence-us-federal-bureau-of-investigation-9c2d7f472b8ff63f76f2c9fbb03dfde2

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/02/politics/comparing-classified-documents-biden-trump-pence-dg/index.html

[Kwaibill]

On 4/12/2023 at 7:58 AM, berrec said:

Let's go after Biden for a more egregious act than what Trump is accused of.

 

Trump had alleged classified documents in a secure location, FBI inspected and guarded by the President's Secret Service personnel

 

Biden, had them laying in open view in multiple locations; even an alleged Chinese restaurant.

 

What's the greater miss handling of alleged classified documents here.

 

Yes, I know it’s a rhetorical question, Biden, of course! 

BS, of course. Not one word of truth.

[ozimoron]

On 4/10/2023 at 6:14 AM, ukrules said:

Arrested for playing games, this one's going to be good

The article doesn't even imply that.

[ozimoron]

Jack Smith could charge Donald Trump with espionage after latest revelations

 

A little over a week ago, The Washington Post reported that among the things former President Donald Trump was doing with the documents he took from the White House was showing them off to people visiting him at Mar-a-Lago.

Trump was already in hot water for having the documents and spending a year refusing to give them back. What this adds to the piece of the story, reporter Michael Schmidt explained, is another piece of Trump's "intent."

 

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-documents-espionage/

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31 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Jack Smith could charge Donald Trump with espionage after latest revelations

 

A little over a week ago, The Washington Post reported that among the things former President Donald Trump was doing with the documents he took from the White House was showing them off to people visiting him at Mar-a-Lago.

Trump was already in hot water for having the documents and spending a year refusing to give them back. What this adds to the piece of the story, reporter Michael Schmidt explained, is another piece of Trump's "intent."

 

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-documents-espionage/

I guess technically that could be the charge. Although I don't think his intent was to share these documents with America's enemies which would be the common understanding of what these "espionage' entails. Of course, if this turns out to be the case, it isn't just stupid, but very likely criminally stupid.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/10/2023 at 7:39 PM, Kwaibill said:

It is not necessary to be a doctor, etc., to opine that Trump is a nutter. People who ARE doctors, etc., have confirmed this.

No responsible doctor would make a diagnosis without doing an examination, and IMO only a psychiatrist could make a valid diagnosis of mental illness.

So IMO those doctors have just been giving their opinions.

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No responsible doctor would make a diagnosis without doing an examination, and IMO only a psychiatrist could make a valid diagnosis of mental illness.

So IMO those doctors have just been giving their opinions.

So let me get this straight.

 

You yourself never make any judgment on the mental state of people you come into contact with?