Abortion groups aim to challenge Florida’s bans on the ballot in 2024

[onthedarkside]

 

WASHINGTON — A coalition of abortion and civil rights groups are launching an effort Monday to put constitutional protections for abortion on Florida's ballot in next year's election.

 

The ballot initiative seeks a state constitutional amendment to bar restrictions on abortion before fetal viability, considered to be at about the 24th week of pregnancy, undoing the state’s current 15-week ban and recently passed six-week ban, according to Planned Parenthood, which provided NBC News with a preview of the effort.

 

"No law shall prohibit, penalize, delay, or restrict abortion before viability or when necessary to protect the patient’s health, as determined by the patient’s healthcare provider," the ballot summary will say. 

 

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/abortion-civil-rights-groups-aim-put-abortion-floridas-2024-ballot-rcna83081

 

[Yellowtail]

On the ballot as it should be.

[Tug]

Good luck even if it loses it’s more exposer of the republicans stripping freedoms from the American people we need to vote those people out on the state and federal level 

[bamnutsak]

The gerrymandered super-majority in the Fla legislature will be along shortly to raise the bar on ballot initiatives, which have to be filed in 2022, and will require 20 million signatures, none of which can be a Disney employees or anyone who has ever uttered the word "gay".

[heybruce]

Good luck to them.  Unfortunately the Florida legislature has a history of ignoring or grossly misinterpreting successful ballot initiatives that they don't like.

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7 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

On the ballot as it should be.

So you think it should be on the ballot.? The republicans in the Florida legislature disagree with you. Once the people of Florida voted overwhelming in favor of raising the minimum wage, the Florida legislature made it far more difficult to get enough signatures to create a referendum. Not only that, they mandated that it would require 60% of citizens to vote in favor of such a referendum to have it pass. Also, the shrunk the amount of time petitioners would have to gather ballots.

And even when a referendum does pass, the legislature has a history of vitiating the referendum. Floridians voted overwhelming to allow ex cons to vote after serving out their sentence. The Florida legislature made this virtually impossible by requiring that ex-cons pay a penalty to regain the right to vote.

[cncltd1973]

great! I'd go even further and make gov't assistance available to people that can't afford it, but I know that won't happen anytime soon

[KhunLA]

Good luck with that ...

And why ... "WASHINGTON — A coalition of abortion and civil rights groups"

 

If expecting to have any success, shouldn't the citizens of FL, get one of their reps to propose a new law, stating the same.   That is how things work, and how the 15 & 6 week laws got passed.

 

I don't think they need more headliners to make people aware of the law, as gets enough press already.

 

With 64% of House, and 66% of Senate voting for the 6 week law, they'll be hard press to get any law passed, without voting out more than a few of the incumbent legislators.

 

Along with a DeSantos' veto, if still in office, would require 2/3 of both house & senate to override. 

[bamnutsak]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

That is how things work, and how the 15 & 6 week laws got passed.

DeSantis signed a bill a few weeks ago creating a six-week abortion ban, somewhat sheepishly.

 

Ron DeSantis quietly signs Florida's 6-week abortion ban into law

The governor had no fanfare around the bill-signing, sending out a news release late in the night.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-signs-6-week-abortion-ban-law-florida-rcna78989

[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

So you think it should be on the ballot.?

Is that not what I said?

 

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

The republicans in the Florida legislature disagree with you.

What have they done to block it from being on the ballot. 

 

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Once the people of Florida voted overwhelming in favor of raising the minimum wage, the Florida legislature made it far more difficult to get enough signatures to create a referendum. Not only that, they mandated that it would require 60% of citizens to vote in favor of such a referendum to have it pass. Also, the shrunk the amount of time petitioners would have to gather ballots.

And even when a referendum does pass, the legislature has a history of vitiating the referendum. Floridians voted overwhelming to allow ex cons to vote after serving out their sentence. The Florida legislature made this virtually impossible by requiring that ex-cons pay a penalty to regain the right to vote.

I think it should be difficult to get things on the ballot, and I think that (generally) people should vote on election day, and when the polls close, that should be the end of collecting ballots. 

[KhunLA]

54 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

DeSantis signed a bill a few weeks ago creating a six-week abortion ban, somewhat sheepishly.

 

Ron DeSantis quietly signs Florida's 6-week abortion ban into law

The governor had no fanfare around the bill-signing, sending out a news release late in the night.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-signs-6-week-abortion-ban-law-florida-rcna78989

Does he need a presser for every bill he signs into law or vetoes, or bills that become law without his signature.  Surely he and the press have better things to do.

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41 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Is that not what I said?

 

What have they done to block it from being on the ballot. 

 

I think it should be difficult to get things on the ballot, and I think that (generally) people should vote on election day, and when the polls close, that should be the end of collecting ballots. 

Really? Here's what you just wrote in reference to a proposed referendum on abortion.

"On the ballot as it should be."

First off, it's actually not difficult to get referenda on the ballot. At least if the referenda are being proposed by the legislature.

As for the rest, there are degrees of difficulty. The legislature made it so difficult that even a very well financed attempt by the casino industry to get legalization on the ballot failed. And keep in mind that even when a referendum did pass, the legislature saw to it that it was vitiated. The legislature has done its best to make it nearly impossible.

Oh, and by the way, it's really not difficult to get something put up for a referendum. At least, if it's sponsored by the legislature. The highly gerrymandered legislature.

[bamnutsak]

13 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I think it should be difficult to get things on the ballot,

Why?

 

How difficult?

 

Why not give people a louder voice? (That was rhetorical.)

 

Ballot initiatives also increase turnout, so I can see why some would want to make them "difficult".

 

 

[Yellowtail]

9 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Why?

 

How difficult?

 

Why not give people a louder voice? (That was rhetorical.)

 

Ballot initiatives also increase turnout, so I can see why some would want to make them "difficult".

 

 

Do you think it should be easy to get get things on ballots? 

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35 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you think it should be easy to get get things on ballots? 

It wasn't "easy" before the Florida legislature changed the rules. Now they've made it next to impossible. You think it's okay to make it next to impossible to submit an issue for a referendum?

As anyone who looks at the history knows, the Florida legislature acted after it was clear that the citizens of Florida wanted was going to keep on approving referenda that they didn't like. Like raising the minimum wage. Florida is famous for its sunshine, its beaches, Disneyworld, and its low wages.

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

It wasn't "easy" before the Florida legislature changed the rules. Now they've made it next to impossible. You think it's okay to make it next to impossible to submit an issue for a referendum?

What (specifically) makes it next to impossible to submit an issue for a referendum? 

 

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

As anyone who looks at the history knows, the Florida legislature acted after it was clear that the citizens of Florida wanted was going to keep on approving referenda that they didn't like. Like raising the minimum wage. Florida is famous for its sunshine, its beaches, Disneyworld, and its low wages.

As anyone who looks at the history knows, Disneyland is in California. 

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49 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

As anyone who looks at the history knows, Disneyland is in California. 

This comment of yours was directed at this:

Apparently, you misread "Disneyworld" to be "Disneyland" and were trying to take some sort of sad and cheap shot at what I wrote. Even if I had written Disneyland, so what? That would have changed the point of the sentence or its relevance to the issue?  I guess when you've got nothing, all you can do is go for the picayune.

[onthedarkside]

A grammar police troll post has been reported/removed

[Tug]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

It wasn't "easy" before the Florida legislature changed the rules. Now they've made it next to impossible. You think it's okay to make it next to impossible to submit an issue for a referendum?

As anyone who looks at the history knows, the Florida legislature acted after it was clear that the citizens of Florida wanted was going to keep on approving referenda that they didn't like. Like raising the minimum wage. Florida is famous for its sunshine, its beaches, Disneyworld, and its low wages.

He you forgot to mention it’s famous for its tweakers (meth heads) and as a bonus they are armed can buy guns with no background checks and that’s not all !!! They can conceal on their person no questions asked truly beggars belief.how much you want to bet the poor Florida cops are unhappy with that situation 

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

This comment of yours was directed at this:

Apparently, you misread "Disneyworld" to be "Disneyland" and were trying to take some sort of sad and cheap shot at what I wrote. Even if I had written Disneyland, so what? That would have changed the point of the sentence or its relevance to the issue?  I guess when you've got nothing, all you can do is go for the picayune.

So what (specifically) makes it next to impossible to submit an issue for a referendum? 

[KhunLA]

FL is ahead of more than half the states, maybe, as only 24 states, even allow referendums.   Don't know what the complaining is about.

https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum

Seems most states and citizens of, aren't big fans of them.  Does seem to be a bit redundant, as that is what you elect their legislators to do.  Maybe they, citizens, voters, should actually pay attention and show up to vote once in a while.  If they want abortions available, after 6 or even 15 weeks

 

Pretty obvious, the citizens, not just the Republicans, don't want abortions after 6 weeks.  Or they aren't letting their legislators know....oops

 

Republican voters out numbered by 9 million, non Republicans.  Apparently, democracy is working just fine.  Do check back in after 2024, stay tuned...

 

 

https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/data-statistics/voter-registration-statistics/voter-registration-reports/voter-registration-by-party-affiliation/

[Bkk Brian]

Its a pity the legislators rush through bills & fail to listen to the peoples views in Florida where the majority do not approve of these strict abortion laws.

 

Similar to North Carolina, where even the Governor may veto it.

 

Cooper has vowed to veto the bill, but Republican legislators hold large majorities in both the General Assembly and state Senate and could override the veto.

“They ran through a bill in 48 hours with no public input, with no amendments, that drastically reduces access to reproductive freedom for women,” said Cooper of the Republican lawmakers.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/07/north-carolina-abortion-ban-cooper-00095702

[Chomper Higgot]

On 5/6/2023 at 6:32 AM, Yellowtail said:

On the ballot as it should be.

Be assured, for millions of American women voting in 2024, it will be.

[EVENKEEL]

 

 

https://www.kennedy.senate.gov/public/2023/4/democrat-witnesses-refuse-to-answer-kennedy-question-do-you-support-abortion-up-to-the-moment-of-birth

 

You've got some who want to make abortion almost impossible and then you have those who are OK with abortion up until birth. 

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

 

https://www.kennedy.senate.gov/public/2023/4/democrat-witnesses-refuse-to-answer-kennedy-question-do-you-support-abortion-up-to-the-moment-of-birth

 

You've got some who want to make abortion almost impossible and then you have those who are OK with abortion up until birth. 

Nah.

 

What you have there is Kennedy attempting to grab the limelight with hyperbole.

[EVENKEEL]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nah.

 

What you have there is Kennedy attempting to grab the limelight with hyperbole.

He asked a legit question, that a professor and a doctor refused to answer. How can there be discussions otherwise.

[Chomper Higgot]

38 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

He asked a legit question, that a professor and a doctor refused to answer. How can there be discussions otherwise.

It’s a a question, for which the answer is not the ‘yes/no’ Kennedy was soliciting.

 

Late stage abortions are rare and are only conducted after detailed medical assessment.

 

Once again, those who can’t understand there are no easy answers to complex problems don’t grasp this. 
 

Few even bother trying.

 

Kennedy was playing to the rabble in the gallery.

[EVENKEEL]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a a question, for which the answer is not the ‘yes/no’ Kennedy was soliciting.

 

Late stage abortions are rare and are only conducted after detailed medical assessment.

 

Once again, those who can’t understand there are no easy answers to complex problems don’t grasp this. 
 

Few even bother trying.

 

Kennedy was playing to the rabble in the gallery.

Any level headed individual can tell there was a yes or no answer to this. Kennedy specified for this hypotetical question there were no complications. All this stupidy from the left gives fuel to the right and they in turn come up with crazy ideas.

 

Somewhere there's a point where both sides can agree on the rules for abortion. Questions must be answered with a yes or no answer. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Any level headed individual can tell there was a yes or no answer to this. Kennedy specified for this hypotetical question there were no complications. All this stupidy from the left gives fuel to the right and they in turn come up with crazy ideas.

 

Somewhere there's a point where both sides can agree on the rules for abortion. Questions must be answered with a yes or no answer. 

 

 

No there is not.

 

Any level headed person will tell you late stage abortions are rare and only conducted after careful and detailed medical assessment.

The yes or no answer is do women hold dominion over their own bodies?

[EVENKEEL]

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No there is not.

 

Any level headed person will tell you late stage abortions are rare and only conducted after careful and detailed medical assessment.

The yes or no answer is do women hold dominion over their own bodies?

So, if a women has a baby and is one day from delivery, she should be able to request an abortion just because. That's what is being signaled by those unable to give a yes or no answer.