richard_smith237 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Jingthing said: So extensions done without meeting financial requirements are scams too according to your logic. This ain't Kansas. To me the core issue is whether you get an actual license or not. A Valid Driving Licence can be verified online.... anyone can check this with their DLT App and adding their Licence. Thus these ‘illegal licences’ may look real and pass a cursory glance but they may not have an associated online record in the DLT database.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NextG Posted May 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Jingthing said: So extensions done without meeting financial requirements are scams too according to your logic. This ain't Kansas. To me the core issue is whether you get an actual license or not. I think by now it is patently clear what the core issue is to you…. Which is whether it is worth you(personally) trying to obtain one of the aforementioned or not and whether you can use it in the capacity mentioned in each question you ask in post after post in this thread. Why not just put all of your questions in a single post in the first place? 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: You're really struggling with this one eh... Again... This is not similar to Visa agents.... There are companies (agents) that assist you through the driving licence process to obtain a legal DL, in much the same manner Visa agents will assist you though the visa process and in some cases circumnavigate a few regulations to obtain a legal Visa. The report (OP) suggests something different - People issuing completely Fake Licences. If you want to make a Visa comparison, it would be like someone counterfeiting Visa stamps in your passport. I'm not struggling at all. My point is that if these agents offered legit licenses without needing testing at the licensing place they would be exactly the same flavor of corruption as visa agents that don't require meeting visa requirements. The problem here is they are not offering real licenses. If the visa corruption is acceptable to us what's the difference? Yes I understood these license scammers are not offering legit licenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: A Valid Driving Licence can be verified online.... anyone can check this with their DLT App and adding their Licence. Thus these ‘illegal licences’ may look real and pass a cursory glance but they may not have an associated online record in the DLT database.... Would not if fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 20 hours ago, Jingthing said: How is this different than visa agents? A) There's probably no licence, they just take the fee and B)If a licence is sent it will be a fake licence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 40 minutes ago, steven100 said: But there is something less dead here. Wouldn't f rangs welcome corruption in licensing in the same way they welcome corruption in visas IF the licenses were as legit as the immigration stamps? If not why not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: A) There's probably no licence, they just take the fee and B)If a licence is sent it will be a fake licence. Yes understood. But the scammers probably avoid lots of flak sending something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: 19 hours ago, Jingthing said: What happens to people who try to use such licenses? The same that happens to people without licences ???... not a lot, an arbitrary fine if caught. From the OP... "Victims could even face legal action for using fake documents and could be imprisoned from six months to five years and fined from 10,000 baht to 100,000 baht". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Just now, Liverpool Lou said: From the OP... "Victims could even face legal action for using fake documents and could be imprisoned from six months to five years and fined from 10,000 baht to 100,000 baht". Harsh considering there are some fools that don't realize they have a fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 19 hours ago, Jingthing said: I have seen these ads and perhaps naively thought they had a connection on the inside and were granting real licenses for a premium corruption fee. Similar to visa agents that sell real immigration stamps to unqualified applicants TIT. How do we know they are fake licenses? From the OP... "The fee is from 1,000 baht to 6,000 baht. When victims transferred money to the scammers, the suspects disappeared or sometimes the victim got fake driving license cards". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I'm not struggling at all. My point is that if these agents offered legit licenses without needing testing at the licensing place they would be exactly the same flavor of corruption as visa agents that don't require meeting visa requirements. The problem here is they are not offering real licenses. If the visa corruption is acceptable to us what's the difference? Yes I understood these license scammers are not offering legit licenses. You seem not to be able to identify the difference ... Visa Agents do not make their own rubber stamps and issue Fake Visas. The visa’s issued by Visa Agents are official / Legal visa’s issued from an Immigration office - thats the difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nahkit Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 If the people posting on here asking about whats being offered had bothered to click the link and read it, we could of saved a whole page of posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jingthing said: But there is something less dead here. Wouldn't f rangs welcome corruption in licensing in the same way they welcome corruption in visas IF the licenses were as legit as the immigration stamps? If not why not? Of course.... But the SCAM DL is not a legit licence in the same manner the Visas issued by Visa Agents are legitimate / Legal visas issued by an immigration office. This is surely not that difficult... I am the only one who thinks Jing is being particularly pedantic and obtuse with this ????? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Jingthing said: Would they work getting rental cars abroad? How would they know what Thai DLs are like? It's a scam, As the OP stated, they don't send licences they just take the money! Why not apply for one and report back? Edited May 10, 2023 by Liverpool Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: 18 hours ago, Jingthing said: Would they work getting rental cars abroad? How would they know what Thai DLs are like? It's a scam, As the OP stated, they don't send licences they just take the money! ... "or sometimes the victim got fake driving license cards”..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 hours ago, mancub said: 19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: Legally, if caught with a fake licence, I’ve no idea... nominal fine perhaps. You get 3 points put on it ! Thailand takes point off until there are none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, NextG said: Why not just put all of your questions in a single post in the first place? Why not stop telling other members how to post? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: You seem not to be able to identify the difference ... Visa Agents do not make their own rubber stamps and issue Fake Visas. The visa’s issued by Visa Agents are official / Legal visa’s issued from an Immigration office - thats the difference. Please stop speaking for me. It is extremely obnoxious. I understand the situation completely. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, Jingthing said: My point is that if these agents offered legit licenses without needing testing at the licensing place they would be exactly the same flavor of corruption as visa agents that don't require meeting visa requirements. The problem here is they are not offering real licenses. If the visa corruption is acceptable to us what's the difference? "...what's the difference?" The difference is that the visas obtained through agents are not fake visas, they are real visas. The "licence" services offered through these ads are not corruption (as you see visa agents services to be) as no licences are delivered, they are scams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: It's a scam, As the OP stated, they don't send licences they just take the money! Why not apply for one and report back? I will not. But if real licenses were offered I would consider in the same way so many people use Visa agents without qualifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: "...what's the difference?" The difference is that the visas obtained through agents are not fake visas, they are real visas. The "licence" services offered through these ads are not corruption (as you see visa agents services to be) as no licences are delivered, they are scams. Disagree If you get a visa without qualifying there is definitely corruption involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Please stop speaking for me. It is extremely obnoxious. I understand the situation completely. IF you understand the situation completely why the need for so many ridiculous question ? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celsius Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 If I buy one and get caught, would I get deported. Just kidding! Purely rhetorical question, of course. Asking for a friend kinda thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: "...what's the difference?" The difference is that the visas obtained through agents are not fake visas, they are real visas. The "licence" services offered through these ads are not corruption (as you see visa agents services to be) as no licences are delivered, they are scams. Disagree If you get a visa without qualifying there is definitely corruption involved. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, nahkit said: If the people posting on here asking about whats being offered had bothered to click the link and read it, we could of saved a whole page of posts. That's not the AN poster's way! Edited May 10, 2023 by Liverpool Lou 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said: IF you understand the situation completely why the need for so many ridiculous question ? To stimulate discussion and expose hypocrisy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: 3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: "...what's the difference?" The difference is that the visas obtained through agents are not fake visas, they are real visas. The "licence" services offered through these ads are not corruption (as you see visa agents services to be) as no licences are delivered, they are scams. Disagree If you get a visa without qualifying there is definitely corruption involved. I didn't say that there wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NextG Posted May 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: Why not stop telling other members how to post? ???? No doubt you missed the irony of your post ???? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said: I didn't say that there wasn't. Good to hear. Others absurdly deny it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: Disagree If you get a visa without qualifying there is definitely corruption involved. Yes... There in ’some cases’ with a Visa Agent there is an element of ‘corruption’ involved... i.e. the Visa Agents have strong connections in Immigration who circumnavigate a regulation here or there (i.e. the Immigration officer / contact allows the Visa Agent to use their funds as proof of the seasoned 400,000 baht or 800,000 baht etc).... ..... BUT... the Visa they Issue is still a Legally recognised Visa issued by an Immigration Office, there is a digital record of the Visa and it passes scrutiny. On the other Hand the Driving license Scam is a Scam... either those running the scam and calling themselves agents take the money and run, or issue a completely fake card. Its completely different.... and yes... its apparent in your ‘black and white’ world you are still really struggling with the ‘grey’ area within which much of Thailand operates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.png.3b3332cc2256ad0edbc2fe9404feeef0.png)
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now