Kiwi locked up in Thailand with no clothes, food or water

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, JoePai said:

The Third World Thai legal system 

So don't do the crime or don't get caught...

[Marco51]

6 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Take drugs, face the consequences

Andyhole, got pissed already today or prayed to jesus? same same, different jurisdiction.

[Chongalulu]

6 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Take drugs, face the consequences

You mean denied access to the basics to sustain life...?

[steven100]

29 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

What if he’d have died because he didn’t have access to his prescription medication ????

 

The consequences as you put are beyond extreme.

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes ....  agree , he should have been given full access to his medication .... there's no excuse for keeping them from him,  although hand them to him as prescribed/required. 

he should be treated like any other drug offender and given food etc ...

[Advocatus Diaboli]

5 hours ago, CharlieH said:

I think it's quite widely known how crude and harsh Thai jails can be.To then proceed with ANY type of illegal substance then you get exactly what you deserve.

Next … riding without helmets and without a valid licence. Straight to jail as they are law breakers, and they will get exactly what they deserve! 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Advocatus Diaboli said:

5 hours ago, CharlieH said:

I think it's quite widely known how crude and harsh Thai jails can be.To then proceed with ANY type of illegal substance then you get exactly what you deserve.

Next … riding without helmets and without a valid licence. Straight to jail as they are law breakers, and they will get exactly what they deserve! 

Exactly....  some of the responses on this forum stink of a Schadenfreudian sanctimony only surpassed by those who enact such punishment with their faux outrage while themselves known to be outrageous lawbreakers... 

 

I very much doubt that those ’tablets’ found in the possession of the Kiwi did not pass through the hands of a Police or Military at some point in their journey to the streets. 

 

 

 

 

[kingstonkid]

6 hours ago, CharlieH said:

I think it's quite widely known how crude and harsh Thai jails can be.To then proceed with ANY type of illegal substance then you get exactly what you deserve.

Nationality is irrelevant.

No sympathy and ignorance is no defence. (imho)

I note that dad has not come here to try to help.  Leaving everything to a Philippine gf not the best move 

[Taboo2]

God, how many times were we warned to stay away from drugs in this country?  

 

Why take the risk?

 

Can't folks take a break from getting high on illegal drugs?
 

Weed is legal!!!!!!!

 

The Thai people do not like when you insult their laws!!!! 

 

Take a BREAk!!!!!!

[Taboo2]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Kiwi tourist pleads guilty to ecstasy possession in Phuket, Thailand
by leah

 

 

A tourist from New Zealand pleaded guilty to drug possession at a court in Phuket, southern Thailand, on Monday.

 

In September, police arrested 45 year old Ari Michael Salinger after finding two ecstasy tablets on his person. He was released on bail and his passport was confiscated while awaiting trial.

 

On Monday, the court sentenced Salinger to a “small fine” after he pleaded guilty, reports Newsroom. He expected to be transferred to the Immigrant Detention Centre to await deportation, but he was instead detained at Patong Provincial Police Station.

 

Salinger’s father Dr Jim Salinger, a renowned New Zealand climate scientist, said that his son’s clothes, food, and medicine were taken away upon his detention on Monday. He was left to sleep naked on a concrete floor for three nights, said Dr Jim.

 

Full story: https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/crime/kiwi-tourist-pleads-guilty-to-ecstasy-possession-in-phuket-thailand

 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the IDC hell on earth?  Why is he complaining?  

[khunPer]

It's common knowledge: Stay away from drugs and people taking drugs when in Thailand, so you are not in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[phetpeter]

He was out on bail since September, Went to court pleaded guilty, got a small fine, made to sleep naked, I doubt that. Must have acted like a d..k, towards the officers. cause if he hadnt and spoke correctly, they would have provided him with, at his cost, food and shower, plus allowed him to access his belongings. plus if he had used a lawyer and offered to purchase a ticket to fly home in the court hearing, he wouldn't be in the jail. he would be gone. Sad thing is, here in Thailand with entertainment and booze, he had to use drugs. So, suffer he must.

[wealthychef]

<sarcasm> This is shocking.  I had always heard that Thai jails were very hospitable.  </sarcasm>

[arick]

6 hours ago, steven100 said:

If you carry drugs around then you face the consequences if caught.  He's lucky he wasn't in Singapore or Saudi.

They don't lock up people any more in Thailand for drug possession 

[wealthychef]

3 minutes ago, phetpeter said:

Must have acted like a d..k, towards the officers. cause if he hadnt and spoke correctly, they would have provided him with, at his cost, food and shower, plus allowed him to access his belongings

yes, we all know how wise and just the RTP are, universally!  That's the only explanation, it must be his own fault they mistreated him. (sarcasm alert)

Edited May 12, 2023 by wealthychef

[steven100]

3 minutes ago, arick said:

They don't lock up people any more in Thailand for drug possession 

says who    ? 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2023 by steven100

[phetpeter]

The difference is in the UK and US you may get away, slagging the police, but here noway. He plea guilty, and should talk to them, instead of acting smug, but, with remorse. Sweet mouth goes along way in Thailand, no matter how false it may be.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, phetpeter said:

The difference is in the UK and US you may get away, slagging the police, but here noway. He plea guilty, and should talk to them, instead of acting smug, but, with remorse. Sweet mouth goes along way in Thailand, no matter how false it may be.

What makes you think he was ’slagging the police’ or ‘acting smug’ and 'without any remorse' ???

[Foreign Jim]

6 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Take drugs, face the consequences

He was carrying them. He wasn't taking them. <deleted>, it was just some e, and a very little bit. 

[phetpeter]

What makes you thing he wasn't ’slagging the police’ or ‘acting smug’ and 'without any remorse' ???

[Pink Mist]

A flame post as well as off topic posts and replies have been removed.

[n00dle]

6 hours ago, mstevens said:

There are reasons why Thailand has long been known as a place to avoid illegal drugs. Disappointing to see the way this fellow has been treated but at the same time, Thailand is not a place to do anything with illegal drugs, irrespective of the quantity. The "price" you pay can be extremely harsh as this Kiwi has found out.

a place to avoid illegal drugs? What rock are you hiding under?

 

You have no idea what you are talking about.

For the last half century people have been flocking to thailand in droves to get high and dance on the beach. The Bangkok nightclub scene is awash with cocaine and to a smaller extent MDMA. There is a good chance your lawyer or accoutant does bumps in the bar on friday night. 

 

I have been in nightclub raid where so many people tested positive that cops simply went home rather than dealing with all the petty charges they would have to file.   

There is a risk, surely, but this Kiwi fellow is an outlier. For evey one like him I suspect 1000+++ walk away slightly poorer. I have been one of those 1000 on a couple occasions. I can think of at least 100 others who have simply walked away too. 

 

His treatment was attrocious and i hope it is one of neglect rather than outrigh maliciousness. I cant imagine the reason for such intentional cruelty 

 

-- BUT --

I suspect There is soemnthing we dont know about his case -- no police force in thailand want responsibility for a foreigner. He very likely had a chance to pay and walk away, but for one reason or another that did not happen.    

Edited May 12, 2023 by n00dle

[n00dle]

3 minutes ago, Foreign Jim said:

He was carrying them. He wasn't taking them. <deleted>, it was just some e, and a very little bit. 

he would have been far better off if hed knecked them back. That said he was pobably set up. Most thai copls wouldnt be able to recognize an dodgy pill unless they knew what they were looking for or it was suspiciuly wrapped.

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, phetpeter said:

What makes you thing he wasn't ’slagging the police’ or ‘acting smug’ and 'without any remorse' ???

I was just wondering IF you read something / somewhere that the police treated the Kiwi in this manner because he was uncooperative etc.

 

I too also consider that some of his treatment may have been brought upon himself through his behaviour... Perhaps he is not mentally well etc....  

 

There is still no excuse for this treatment though, particularly preventing him access to medication. 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, n00dle said:

he would have been far better off if hed knecked them back. That said he was pobably set up. Most thai copls wouldnt be able to recognize an dodgy pill unless they knew what they were looking for or it was suspiciuly wrapped.

Well, that has happened in the past... 

 

It used to be a Khao Sarn road favourite... Someone goes with a TukTuk driver to purchase some weed down a sub-soi....  as soon as the deal is made the police pounce and extort the ‘victim’.... 

 

In this case, I wonder why the Kiwi was searched in the first place ?... what triggered the Police to search his pockets ??????

 

 

[BestB]

Do not think he was held in jail but in police station cell and in police station cells they do not provide any water or food or anything else .

 

anyone held in cells relies on family or friends to bring everything and then it is also shared by all inside the cells. 

[AndyFoxy]

9 minutes ago, Foreign Jim said:

He was carrying them. He wasn't taking them. <deleted>, it was just some e, and a very little bit. 

Just some E……a dangerous and illegal drug in the country he is in. And he deserves our sympathy why exactly? He chose his path, he can’t have any complaints 

[richard_smith237]

Just now, BestB said:

Do not think he was held in jail but in police station cell and in police station cells they do not provide any water or food or anything else .

 

anyone held in cells relies on family or friends to bring everything and then it is also shared by all inside the cells. 

First hand info ????

 

So, all prisoners in cells (police detention) are stripped and not given water or food for three days ???

 

That seems a stretch for this to be the norm,  even for Thailand...

 

As n00dle wrote... some thing else perhaps going on here...  Revenge for him refusing to pay out his bribe of 100,000 baht (or however much) and instead seeing it through to court where the fine is significantly less... BiB annoyed that their hard work didn’t pay off  ???   As others have pointed out, the Kiwi rubbed that in their faces / misbehaved  etc etc ??

[phetpeter]

They warned him to be cautious about publicising the situation on social media, saying “please be mindful of the potential of comments on social media to worsen your situation. We encourage you to focus on sorting out your case. If anything does not sound right, do think twice and be careful before acting."

The official said they had been in touch with the lawyer and local police, who reported that he had been throwing water at other detainees and police officers. Salinger said he had never thrown water at people.

Salinger’s pregnant partner Vanessa Pagarigan came over from the couple’s home in the Phillipines at the time of the arrest to help him. Pagarigan has been rushing between the court and the jail, bringing Salinger bottles of water. But no change of clothes?  plus “He has a son in Australia who wonders whether he will ever see him again,” 

"When you are travelling, you don't travel within the framework of New Zealand law, you travel within the law and conventions of the country you're travelling".

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, AndyFoxy said:

Just some E……a dangerous and illegal drug in the country he is in. And he deserves our sympathy why exactly? He chose his path, he can’t have any complaints 

Dangerous ???...  over egg yer pudding much.... 

 

And he does deserve sympathy - his treatment is inhumane.

 

People like yourself would have the same response to someone caught with weed a couple of years ago...   

[Red Forever]

When I read the subject of this post I just knew that the milk of human kindness would be in full flow for this unfortunate fellow.

Oh hang on....it seems to have run dry.