the moment an e-scooter battery exploded while charging in a house in London

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[OneMoreFarang]

That is one of the reasons why they should be banned. 

[KhunLA]

common sense doesn't prevail with some people ...

... don't charge indoors, or leave unattended.

 

Of course we don't know if 'user error' was involved,   Bought new or used, just 2 weeks ago.

 

All the LiPo batteries I've had & charged, pushing the limits of, only one went oops, and THB, it wasn't a surprise, and should have discarded long ago.   Just thankful it went pop while charging, instead of while being operated in my drone.  And it was not OEM, IF that matters ????

Edited May 20, 2023 by KhunLA

[whereyougo]

12 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

That is one of the reasons why they should be banned. 

Happens to phones a lot maybe we should ban them ????

[dingdongrb]

It would be nice to know the model and brand of the bikes and scooters that caused fires. Was it due to design.

[KannikaP]

11 minutes ago, whereyougo said:

Happens to phones a lot maybe we should ban them ????

A lot?

[Mavideol]

made in China maybe 555

[OneMoreFarang]

18 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

common sense doesn't prevail with some people ...

... don't charge indoors, or leave unattended.

 

Of course we don't know if 'user error' was involved,   Bought new or used, just 2 weeks ago.

 

All the LiPo batteries I've had & charged, pushing the limits of, only one went oops, and THB, it wasn't a surprise, and should have discarded long ago.   Just thankful it went pop while charging, instead of while being operated in my drone.  And it was not OEM, IF that matters ????

How many people are aware of the risk?

And how many people know that water makes such fires only worse?

 

As far as I know most people are ignorant about the risk. They wouldn't put a canister of gasoline in their home. But a bad lithium battery is a bigger risk than that. 

[OneMoreFarang]

17 minutes ago, dingdongrb said:

It would be nice to know the model and brand of the bikes and scooters that caused fires. Was it due to design.

Obviously there are better and worse. But the principle is the same for all LiPo batteries. 

[dingdongrb]

11 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Obviously there are better and worse. But the principle is the same for all LiPo batteries. 

Really? Why then do I have numerous personal items I use with lithium batteries, and have been using them for years, but yet not a single fire?

 

Likewise, having worked in the High-Tech industry for over 40 years where there were hundreds of thousands, if not millions of products manufactured using lithium batteries and not a single fire.

 

I guess you need to make it clearer with what you mean by 'principle'. 

 

 

[JustAnotherHun]

5 minutes ago, dingdongrb said:

Really? Why then do I have numerous personal items I use with lithium batteries, and have been using them for years, but yet not a single fire?

Because this happens very rarely.

I had hundreds of flights over the years and no plane ever crashed. Does that proof there are no airplane accidents?

[007 RED]

FYI.....  The original article, and video were in the BBC News yesterday

 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-london-65629502

 

According to the London Fire Brigade they have delt with 48 e-bike and 12 e-scooter fires this year.  So it would appear that this is not an uncommon occurrence. 

 

As a footnote:  I wonder why all the airlines refuse to carry e-boards which were very popular a few years back.  No doubt the same ban applies to e-scooters today.

 

As someone has mentioned, once their battery ignites, its very difficult to stop the fire.

[KhunLA]

54 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How many people are aware of the risk?

And how many people know that water makes such fires only worse?

 

As far as I know most people are ignorant about the risk. They wouldn't put a canister of gasoline in their home. But a bad lithium battery is a bigger risk than that. 

They really should RTFM

 

You can't fix stupid 

[dingdongrb]

24 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Because this happens very rarely.

I had hundreds of flights over the years and no plane ever crashed. Does that proof there are no airplane accidents?

I agree with what you say. I was merely questioning the other poster's comment where he seemed to say it's the battery and not the design. (At least that was my understanding of his post.)

 

Now 60 out of how many caught fire? Any commonality with those 60? 

 

If I recall the Ford Pinto was dubbed as being 'a Bic Lighter on wheels' due to the design and gas tank position. But all Pintos didn't catch fire.

[dingdongrb]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

As far as I know most people are ignorant about the risk. They wouldn't put a canister of gasoline in their home. But a bad lithium battery is a bigger risk than that. 

But the would put a canister of propane gas right next to their cooking stove.

[dingdongrb]

9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

They really should RTFM

 

You can't fix stupid 

Yeah, just like everyone reads the Terms and Conditions when you download an app or sign up for a website........   

[KhunLA]

 

"In the UK, Air Quality News made an in-depth study of the EV fire threat, and discovered that in 2019 the London Fire Brigade tackled 54 fires in EVs, compared to 1,898 in petrol and diesel cars.

 

A more recent study by Health & Safety specialist CE Safety suggested there had been 735 call-outs to EV fires in the UK over the past five years – but this included all types of EV including scooters and bikes, with cars representing just 44% of the total – so around 323 when there are close to 33 million cars on the UK’s roads…"

https://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/are-electric-car-fires-really-that-common/

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, dingdongrb said:

Yeah, just like everyone reads the Terms and Conditions when you download an app or sign up for a website........   

Why bother, you are downloading or joining no matter.

 

I read my product manuals, as I like to know what they can, and cannot do. 

 

UP2U ... but I prefer not to be a statistic.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, dingdongrb said:

Really? Why then do I have numerous personal items I use with lithium batteries, and have been using them for years, but yet not a single fire?

 

Likewise, having worked in the High-Tech industry for over 40 years where there were hundreds of thousands, if not millions of products manufactured using lithium batteries and not a single fire.

 

I guess you need to make it clearer with what you mean by 'principle'. 

Since how many years are LiPo batteries used? Maybe 10 years?

Small batteries are obviously a lower fire risk than big batteries.

And how are they used and how good are they protected? In a scooter, with possible impact and water damage from the street, especially combined with cheap and unreliable chargers, are obviously a higher risk than better protected batteries in better environments with quality chargers. 

[OneMoreFarang]

45 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

They really should RTFM

 

You can't fix stupid 

How many people read manuals? Any manual? Sometimes I feel like I am the only one. 

[KhunLA]

13 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Since how many years are LiPo batteries used? Maybe 10 years?

Small batteries are obviously a lower fire risk than big batteries.

And how are they used and how good are they protected? In a scooter, with possible impact and water damage from the street, especially combined with cheap and unreliable chargers, are obviously a higher risk than better protected batteries in better environments with quality chargers. 

More like 30 yrs ... - wiki

"1991: Sony and Asahi Kasei released the first commercial lithium-ion battery.  The Japanese team that successfully commercialized the technology was led by Yoshio Nishi"

 

Bought my first drone 2010 / 11 and I was late to the game and cell phones been around how long, they all around LiPo s.

Edited May 20, 2023 by KhunLA

[still kicking]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

made in China maybe 555

China got nothing to do with it,it is the lithium battery 

[JustAnotherHun]

1 minute ago, still kicking said:

China got nothing to do with it,it is the lithium battery 

And where do you think most Li-ion batteries for cars and scooters come from?

[GinBoy2]

I work for an airline, and I've had countless 'interactions' with passengers over why they can't have Lithium batteries in checked bags.

 

One thing if they decide to catch fire in the passenger cabin and the crew can deal with it, quite another scenario if they decide to explode in the cargo bin, and basically set fire to the whole cargo load, hence you crash in a fire ball

[still kicking]

1 minute ago, JustAnotherHun said:

And where do you think most Li-ion batteries for cars and scooters come from?

Not all from China Australian makes a lot 

[KhunLA]

6 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Not all from China Australian makes a lot 

AU having one of largest lithium reserves, make sense.

[DavisH]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

AU having one of largest lithium reserves, make sense.

Does Australia export lithium?

 

 

Australia is the world's largest lithium exporter. It was responsible for more than half of global production last year. About 80% of the lithium dug up in Australia is used to make rechargeable batteries and this proportion is expected to reach 90% as EVs become popular.

 

and..

 

Does Australia have more lithium than China?

 

 

According to Statistica, Australia produces 55 per cent of the world's lithium, while China bought over 90 per cent of the country's lithium this year based on figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

[JustAnotherHun]

So if China's buying 90 percent of Australia's lithium, where may the LI-ion batteries mainly come from?

[KhunLA]

12 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

I work for an airline, and I've had countless 'interactions' with passengers over why they can't have Lithium batteries in checked bags.

 

One thing if they decide to catch fire in the passenger cabin and the crew can deal with it, quite another scenario if they decide to explode in the cargo bin, and basically set fire to the whole cargo load, hence you crash in a fire ball

Yes, and why there is a limit on the size of batteries/power banks allowed to be carried on a plane.   If a fire, then controllable.  Most of my power banks, bought or DIY, wouldn't be allowed.

 

Also goes to 'user error' of many, some DIY, some modified, some using improper chargers/charging.  Along with a proper house current.  

 

Along with, cheap, POS, non certified, dangerous batteries being sold, but would think the lesser of the evils, especially if imported, as many countries ban un-'certified' electronics.

 

The simply fact that it was being charged indoors & unattended, leads me to suspect 'user error'.  And not RTFM ... IS user error.

 

Again ... you can't fix stupid

[GinBoy2]

58 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Yes, and why there is a limit on the size of batteries/power banks allowed to be carried on a plane.   If a fire, then controllable.  Most of my power banks, bought or DIY, wouldn't be allowed.

 

Also goes to 'user error' of many, some DIY, some modified, some using improper chargers/charging.  Along with a proper house current.  

 

Along with, cheap, POS, non certified, dangerous batteries being sold, but would think the lesser of the evils, especially if imported, as many countries ban un-'certified' electronics.

 

The simply fact that it was being charged indoors & unattended, leads me to suspect 'user error'.  And not RTFM ... IS user error.

 

Again ... you can't fix stupid

I recently had an idiot counter agent put 5 large Lithium batteries back in a passenger bag after being flagged by TSA.

The aircraft is being pushed back when I learnt about this, 

 

I towed the aircraft back to the gate where we retrieved the passengers bag and he carried the batteries in the main cabin

 

He wasn't the most popular guy on that flight for causing a 30 min delay.

 

But then again everyone flew out safely, nobody died