Pita Allays Fears Of Possible Snags Over Rise To PM

[h90]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Only a war on uncooperative senators who defy the will of the people and want to set Thailand back into the stone age. That is a righteous battle. 

The senators did not set Thailand back into the stone age the last 8 years. I am against any calls for violence!

[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, 2baht said:

18 coups should answer that! The past 9 yrs of military rule is pretty self explanitory!

Each time post coups the military and elites were soundly beatened in subsequent elections creating a loop of political conflicts. Maybe this time things will be different. 

[spidermike007]

4 minutes ago, h90 said:

The senators did not set Thailand back into the stone age the last 8 years. I am against any calls for violence!

Resistance, ridicule, refusal to serve a customer, scorn and public humiliation are forms of Ghandian behavior, that does not inflict physical harm on others, but gets a very important point across. You defied the will of the public, and you, your wife, your parents, your siblings and your kids are now personas non gratas. See how that feels.

[h90]

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Each time post coups the military and elites were soundly beatened in subsequent elections creating a loop of political conflicts. Maybe this time things will be different. 

And with this cycle of coups and democracy Thailand did well in compare to all his neighbors

[h90]

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Resistance, ridicule, refusal to serve a customer, scorn and public humiliation are forms of Ghandian behavior, that does not inflict physical harm on others, but gets a very important point across. You defied the will of the public, and you, your wife, your parents, your siblings and your kids are now personas non gratas. See how that feels.

"The people need to call them and their children, siblings, and parents out at work, at school, at restaurants, and in public. Shame them into submission."

The Children at school????

And than the others do the same to politician of MF (which was voted by only 28% of all Thais voters)....The best was to civil war....

[MrMojoRisin]

34 minutes ago, 2baht said:

18 coups should answer that! The past 9 yrs of military rule is pretty self explanitory!

Ah yes, history always repeats, nothing ever changes and things will be as they always were.

 

Lorena Bobbit was raped and abused by her husband countless times during their marriage until one day, she cut off his penis.

 

Pretty self explanatory eh?

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, h90 said:

And with this cycle of coups and democracy Thailand did well in compare to all his neighbors

That's your typical banal ambiquous reply to most posts.  

[MrMojoRisin]

19 minutes ago, h90 said:

Who is unified. 71% of the population did not vote for MF. And from their voter I am sure the majority does not want civil war and can live well with a non controversial prime minister from PT.

Look at you, all of a sudden a PT fan.

????????????

[Pedrogaz]

3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The people’s power in Thailand is now completely overwhelming. The military has no choice but to sit down, shut up and do as they’re told. 

Don't be silly. There have been what 19 coups since 1932. The military can use force like they did in 2010, when the people were disenfranchised. The poor win every election in a landslide, but never get the power....when they do, like with Thaksin and Yingluck, there is a coup.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, h90 said:

The current caretaker government is already history...they are as good as gone.

You are more than welcome to put your money on that.

 

Thy are a coup government with an UNELECTED PM in charge and 250 UNELECTED senators who ow Prayuth for their positions.

 

The current caretaker government also controls the EC, the CC and the judiciary and I will not write them off yet.

 

If you back anything into a corner it can turn nasty and fight back, and IMHO this lot will.

 

After all what have they got to lose that they haven't lost already?

[billd766]

1 hour ago, h90 said:

The senators did not set Thailand back into the stone age the last 8 years. I am against any calls for violence!

It does not matter what you want.

 

It matters what the Thai people want and what the elite and the military want (or don't want).

[billd766]

1 hour ago, h90 said:

And with this cycle of coups and democracy Thailand did well in compare to all his neighbors

Is that why Thailand is the #1 country in ASEAN?

 

Back in the bad old days of Thaksin, Thailand was one of the Tigers of Asia.

 

Nowadays it is little but a toothless paper tiger under the wonderful military government of Prayuth.

[h90]

57 minutes ago, billd766 said:

You are more than welcome to put your money on that.

 

Thy are a coup government with an UNELECTED PM in charge and 250 UNELECTED senators who ow Prayuth for their positions.

 

The current caretaker government also controls the EC, the CC and the judiciary and I will not write them off yet.

 

If you back anything into a corner it can turn nasty and fight back, and IMHO this lot will.

 

After all what have they got to lose that they haven't lost already?

You forgot the 2019 elections where the party got the majority of the popular vote.....so the PM was complete rightful elected and had also a majority in the lower house without senators.
I doubt that he has any control about them...but he knows them and is respected so he has for sure influence.

I would bet that he is gone....Even if they would stick to power they would put in a new face. Prayuth is past...I would bet a bottle of Russian Standard Vodka on it.

[h90]

51 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Is that why Thailand is the #1 country in ASEAN?

 

Back in the bad old days of Thaksin, Thailand was one of the Tigers of Asia.

 

Nowadays it is little but a toothless paper tiger under the wonderful military government of Prayuth.

Yes first term of Thaksin was good.
Thailand for sure does better than Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia the direct neighbors. I don't know Vietnam enough to judge them.
But yes he could have done much better.....complete lost opportunity in the first years of dictatorship he could have used that for reforms...and there are bureaucratic things that are so obvious that everyone could have done it.

[h90]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

It does not matter what you want.

 

It matters what the Thai people want and what the elite and the military want (or don't want).

I am pretty sure that the majority of Thai people does not want any violence or fight. And I think both elites and military doesn't want that either.

[newnative]

   I know he has been criticized by some for being too visible since the election and saying too much on too many topics.   I've seen him doing everything from appearing at a gay pride event to playing guitar and singing on one of the news shows.   He's done an exhaustive number of interviews, in both Thai and some in English.  

   I think his strategy is to present himself as the de facto prime minister to be, while also introducing himself to the public, some of which might not know too much about him.  If he can somewhat control the narrative, set coalition meetings and other activities as the main leader, and make appearance after appearance as the star attraction and fait accompli next PM, it might make it a little harder for senators to vote against him--and, hopefully, harder for him to be booted out over a non-issue of worthless media stock.  Hope it works.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, h90 said:

You forgot the 2019 elections where the party got the majority of the popular vote.....so the PM was complete rightful elected and had also a majority in the lower house without senators.
I doubt that he has any control about them...but he knows them and is respected so he has for sure influence.

I would bet that he is gone....Even if they would stick to power they would put in a new face. Prayuth is past...I would bet a bottle of Russian Standard Vodka on it.

NO, I did not forget the 2019 elections

 

Please explain how Prayuth got the majority of votes when he did not stand as a candidate at all, nor was he a member of ANY political party.

 

Nor did I forget that after the elections, Thanathorn was stripped of his elected position as an MP and his party, the FFP was dissolved with over 6 million voters disenfranchised and their votes literally thrown away.

 

Perhaps you forgot that deliberately.

 

He was given the post of PM because 250 UNELECTED senators, mostly family, cronies a,d friends voted him into that position in return for being made senators.

 

How could that happen? 

 

Because the constitution was expressly written to allow it on his orders, and the orders from above.

 

If you are going to defend him then post both sides of the story. and NOT just what you believe as a coup supporter.

[MrMojoRisin]

3 hours ago, h90 said:

You forgot the 2019 elections where the party got the majority of the popular vote.....so the PM was complete rightful elected and had also a majority in the lower house without senators.
I doubt that he has any control about them...but he knows them and is respected so he has for sure influence.

I would bet that he is gone....Even if they would stick to power they would put in a new face. Prayuth is past...I would bet a bottle of Russian Standard Vodka on it.

Why do you bother with such nonsense?

 

Pita’s party won 38% of the party list vote and 35% of the lower house seats and post after post you prattle on about how the majority of Thais did not vote for Pita and Move Forward.

 

Then, in your infinite wisdom and strict adherence to logic and truth…., you now post that in 2019 Prayuth (who did not stand as a candidate) and his party PPP who won 23% of the popular vote and 23% of the lower house seats in a rigged election “got the majority of the popular vote” and “had the majority in the lower house without the Senators” 

 

In 2019 PT won 136 seats, 20 more than Prayuth.

 

In 2019 Prayuth’s coalition had just 254 seats, 122 seats less than required to elect a PM without any Senators support.

 

Pinocchio would be proud of you.

[zzaa09]

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Resistance, ridicule, refusal to serve a customer, scorn and public humiliation are forms of Ghandian behavior, that does not inflict physical harm on others, but gets a very important point across. You defied the will of the public, and you, your wife, your parents, your siblings and your kids are now personas non gratas. See how that feels.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. 

Live one's protest. 

[Flory]

14 hours ago, h90 said:

And with this cycle of coups and democracy Thailand did well in compare to all his neighbors

Yes, some democracy is better than no democracy. A very salient point. Thailand could already be as developed as South Korea had the military not repeatedly carried it backwards at gunpoint.

Edited June 8, 2023 by Flory

[scorecard]

18 hours ago, 2baht said:

Never, greed will keep them in the game! The trough is full! Oink oink! ????

And their belief in the glory of the Thai military will keep hem together, unfortunately.  

[2baht]

3 hours ago, Flory said:

Yes, some democracy is better than no democracy. A very salient point. Thailand could already be as developed as South Korea had the military not repeatedly carried it backwards at gunpoint.

The education system is also well below par, but hey, let's not rock the boat!

[zzaa09]

16 hours ago, h90 said:

You forgot the 2019 elections where the party got the majority of the popular vote.....so the PM was complete rightful elected and had also a majority in the lower house without senators.
I doubt that he has any control about them...but he knows them and is respected so he has for sure influence.

I would bet that he is gone....Even if they would stick to power they would put in a new face. Prayuth is past...I would bet a bottle of Russian Standard Vodka on it.

But being illegitimate candidates, by way of an illegal coup, in 2019....there victorious election would be nil and void by any reasonable measure, yes?

[h90]

1 hour ago, zzaa09 said:

But being illegitimate candidates, by way of an illegal coup, in 2019....there victorious election would be nil and void by any reasonable measure, yes?

I speak about the laws not about reasonable measures that are different for everyone.

But by reasonable measures: Prayuth made the 2019 elections happen. Without his active doing there wouldn't be any 2019 elections, he could have continue to rule without elections without much resistance for another 20 years.

And not forget the coup was against an illegal government as well. A caretaker government that was expired and that refused to do what the old constitution required them to do.
 

And even if you think that 2019 was wrong, by no means it justifies doing wrong in 2023 again.

I really don't know why Pita did so obviously brake a very clear law that does not allow interpretation? Is it incompetence of him and his group of lawyers? Or on purpose?

[spidermike007]

23 hours ago, h90 said:

"The people need to call them and their children, siblings, and parents out at work, at school, at restaurants, and in public. Shame them into submission."

The Children at school????

And than the others do the same to politician of MF (which was voted by only 28% of all Thais voters)....The best was to civil war....

Yes. If they insist on defying the will of the people, the entire family has to pay a price. Including the children. Especially the children. It would be a chilling reminder to the goons, of the price they are paying for the treasonous acts they are committing. Nobody is exempt from the consequences of extreme moral terpitude. Why should the children of gangsters be treated so special?

[bignok]

On 6/8/2023 at 11:56 AM, MrMojoRisin said:

Lorena Bobbit was raped and abused by her husband countless times during their marriage until one day, she cut off his penis.

Was she?

[MrMojoRisin]

57 minutes ago, bignok said:

Was she?

You tell me.

 

https://www.oxygen.com/martinis-murder/not-just-lorena-john-bobbitts-other-accusations-domestic-violence

[bignok]

45 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

You tell me.

 

https://www.oxygen.com/martinis-murder/not-just-lorena-john-bobbitts-other-accusations-domestic-violence

Found not guilty.

[MrMojoRisin]

36 minutes ago, bignok said:

Found not guilty.

Found guilty more often than not guilty.

[bignok]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Found guilty more often than not guilty.

Who was found guilty?