Trump says he's been indicted in classified docs probe

[sirineou]

Trump revealed highly classified info to Russians during White House visit: report

" Trump relayed information that came from a US partner through an “intelligence-sharing” deal so sensitive that details had been withheld from America’s allies and were even kept under wraps within most of the US government, the Washington Post reported.

The partner had not given the US the OK to share the material with Russia, and the officials said that Trump risked losing the cooperation of an ally that had deep access to ISIS strategies.

After Trump’s Oval Office meeting — from which the US press was barred, though a Russian photographer was allowed — senior administration officials scrambled to minimize the damage, frantically calling the CIA and National Security Agency to give them the heads up."

https://nypost.com/2017/05/15/trump-revealed-highly-classified-info-to-russians-during-white-house-visit/

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[2baht]

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

from NY Times -- secure haung nam:

 

Maybe the clown reads them when he goes to the toilet! I guess he can read?

 

 

Edited June 10, 2023 by 2baht

[ThailandRyan]

How can Trump spin this when he signed a stiffer law for those handling Classified documents and then discussed it in prime time to the entire nation.  He then went and did the exact same things he said the law was to prosecute people for and protect the Nation. 

 

He must really be thick to think he has not violated the law.

 

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

At various junctures starting with the pussy tapes it seemed like Trumps goose was cooked politically but he got through but this appears to be the fatal blow. It can be called. He will not be president a second time.  I think even his strongest supporters, beyond saying what about Hillary or Joe, can now see that he is done. 

[EVENKEEL]

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

It's always been obvious Trump is a traitor. Just imagine his conversations with Putin.

Wow, now we have to imagine images.

[2baht]

14 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

How can Trump spin this when he signed a stiffer law for those handling Classified documents and then discussed it in prime time to the entire nation.  He then went and did the exact same things he said the law was to prosecute people for and protect the Nation. 

 

He must really be thick to think he has not violated the law.

This more than confirms what a fool he is!

[Tug]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Wow, now we have to imagine images.

Who knows,the United States wasent represented when he had his chat with that criminal putin in helinsky then he’s statement who could forget that.

[2baht]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Trump should have kept the docs next to his corvette in the garage. Oh wait.....

He's not that smart, he keeps them hidden in the toilet! ????

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, 2baht said:

He's not that smart, he keeps them hidden in the toilet! ????

And the ballroom where events took place:

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65852286

[Bkk Brian]

Jack Smith indictment announcement:

 

 

[Tug]

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Trump should have kept the docs next to his corvette in the garage. Oh wait.....

Oh wait old Donnie still likes show and tell so he can brag to his pals I pray that’s as far as it went and he didn’t sell the information humm……..

[Walker88]

15 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Yes a dark day for America, but the Dems. can't see this. As it must be all the smoke coming down from Canada getting in their eyes.

It's a bright and shining day for America, because it sends a message that nobody is above the law. The US's foundational document is the Constitution, not the Magna Carta. There is no monarch who is above the law.

 

trump violated laws. He stole classified documents. He absolutely did not declassify them, as if he had there would be a paper trail. There is none. He stole documents stamped HCS, for Human Clandestine Sources. Even as POTUS, he would only have been allowed to view such documents in a SCIF, and then the document (a copy, generally hand-carried from Langley or Ft Meade) would be destroyed (the original in the agency or NSA system).

 

trump also lied about retaining documents, which is why the search of his home was carried out.

 

An aside: POTUSs never get a security clearance. Their election gives them authority to view classified docs, but only while holding the office. At 12:01 on 20 January 2021, trump had the same security clearance as you, which is to say none. He would not even be allowed to view classified material from that point on, unless the sitting POTUS authorized it.

 

Ideally, in the trial, we will learn what intent trump had to steal and hold documents that could threaten national security. What did he plan to do with them? Why were some found in his office, where it is extremely unlikely he does the cleaning?

 

ANYBODY else who did what trump has done would already be in jail. He has been treated with kid gloves, despite not deserving it.

 

I have no idea why anyone would think it is a 'dark day' for America. The polar opposite is true: it shows the system of total equality under the law actually exists, and that national security is important, not something at the whim of a losing candidate or an old man with the temperament of a child.

[earlinclaifornia]

20 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

At various junctures starting with the pussy tapes it seemed like Trumps goose was cooked politically but he got through but this appears to be the fatal blow. It can be called. He will not be president a second time.  I think even his strongest supporters, beyond saying what about Hillary or Joe, can now see that he is done.  

I read one article that said interesting enough all of their reactions by current Republicans are all political and not one reacted that Trump did anything wrong.

That being said Fox' legal expert response is quite different:

Fox News' top legal commentator says the indictment against Trump is 'extremely damning'

Fox News Legal Commentator Calls Trump Indictment 'Extremely Damning' (businessinsider.com)

[Fat is a type of crazy]

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Trump should have kept the docs next to his corvette in the garage. Oh wait.....

I'm sure as an American that you feel if the charges are shown to be correct that Trump should face the full extent of the law and possibly a lengthy jail term. Apparently putting national security at risk in such a cavalier and arrogant and dangerous way. I am sure you are outraged and disgusted in your former President based on information presented. 

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 minute ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I read one article that said interesting enough all of their reactions by current Republicans are all political and not one reacted that Trump did anything wrong.

That being said Fox' legal expert response is quite different:

Fox News' top legal commentator says the indictment against Trump is 'extremely damning'

Fox News Legal Commentator Calls Trump Indictment 'Extremely Damning' (businessinsider.com)

24 hours is a long time in politics. I think it will be a different kettle of fish today when they see the extent of the charges and the potential crimes. 

[Tug]

3 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

24 hours is a long time in politics. I think it will be a different kettle of fish today when they see the extent of the charges and the potential crimes. 

I’m sure many republican lawmakers are privately rejoicing but they are terrified of their constituents and will play along for now hopefully that changes soon 

[Walker88]

2 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

 

I have no idea why anyone would think it is a 'dark day' for America. The polar opposite is true: it shows the system of total equality under the law actually exists, and that national security is important, not something at the whim of a losing candidate or an old man with the temperament of a child.

Here's another point: The theft and retention of documents stamped HCS is a double threat.

 

First, it increases the likelihood of exposure of a clandestine asset or a clandestine operation/penetration. As an example, suppose the gymnast paramour of putin was an agency clandestine source? Her exposure would get her killed as well as eliminate a valuable intelligence source.

 

Second, potential clandestine assets---who could be a russian or Chinese military source, or an insider in al Qaeda---would see than a childish ex-POTUS could get them exposed. They might refuse to become a cooperative source for the agency. The US would then be less safe. Perhaps a terrorist attack would happen, rather than be stopped, because a potential source feared exposure from a trump and never agreed to become a clandestine asset.

 

I recruited and handled clandestine sources as an agency case officer. Our first priority was to insure their safety, even if it meant sacrificing our own life. To have to do that because of some loser crybaby self-absorbed lowlife like trump would be a wasted life.

[ThailandRyan]

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

And the ballroom where events took place:

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65852286

One has to wonder who went looking in those boxes during his gatherings and what is now missing from inside of the boxes.  This is some serious stuff to be messing around with and Trump by god needs to be tried and if convicted sent to Leavenworth, not a club Fed.

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21 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Can you provide a link to support that claim ?

  (BTW , Trumps lawyer stating that  she was concerned about the FBI planting evidence is not an accusation by Trump that the FBI planted classified documents )

   So, can you back up your claim ?

(And BTW again, Trump saying that the FBI put the documents on the floor showing they were not properly kept in a safe environment , isn't showing that Trump claims that the FBI planed the documents .

   So, can you back up your claim ?

"Donald Trump has made fresh claims that the FBI planted evidence in the August 8 search of his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida – an argument notably absent in legal filings by his attorneys. 

The former US president repeated the claim in a posting on his Truth Social network Thursday, after the Justice Department demanded that a federal judge reinstate access to hundreds on classified documents the FBI retrieved in its recent search of his Palm Beach residence...

“They leak, lie, plant fake evidence, allow the spying on my campaign, deceive the FISA Court, RAID and Break-Into my home, lose documents, and then they ask me, as the 45th President of the United States, to trust them. Look at the I.G. Reports on Comey, McCabe, and others."

 https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-returns-to-fbi-planted-evidence-accusation-in-wild-rant-after-doj-appealed-special-master-ruling/

[EVENKEEL]

37 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

And the ballroom where events took place:

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65852286

How do you know those boxes contain classified docs? But, good for making up stories. That stack of boxes looks similiar to my stack of boxes.

[Walker88]

According to the statement made by Special Counsel Jack Smith, trump had taken documents related to US nuclear weapons and capabilities. These would likely be classified RD, as in Restricted Data.

 

Even a sitting POTUS cannot declassify RD documents, so there is absolutely no defense trump could muster against that charge.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

How do you know those boxes contain classified docs? But, good for making up stories. That stack of boxes looks similiar to my stack of boxes.

It's in the indictment, image is released by the DOJ. Making up stories?

[placeholder]

13 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you referring to posters trying to keep a sense of perspective surrounding the classified documents - a President's authority to possess them vs a career politician and senator, whether under lock and key and security at MAL vs dumped in a garage rented by a degenerate junkie, length of time in possession etc etc? Doing so will allow a reasoned understanding of the situation.quid-pro-quo-with-trump-drop-charges-leaves-2024-race

No, the weren't kept under lock and key. In fact, as we now know, they were found in his bedroom, his bathroom, and the Mar a Lago ballroom.

 

Photos included in the federal indictment filed against Donald Trump show boxes allegedly containing classified documents stored in unusual locations — stacked on a ballroom stage and in a bathroom next to a shower and toilet at Mar-a-Lago, the former president's residence in Florida.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-indictment-pictures-photos-documents-boxes-mar-a-lago-bathroom/

[scottiejohn]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

How do you know those boxes contain classified docs? But, good for making up stories. That stack of boxes looks similiar to my stack of boxes.

I suggest you take off your MAGA/Trump blinkers before looking at things!

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

No, the weren't kept under lock and key. In fact, as we now know, they were found in his bedroom, his bathroom, and the Mar a Lago ballroom.

 

Photos included in the federal indictment filed against Donald Trump show boxes allegedly containing classified documents stored in unusual locations — stacked on a ballroom stage and in a bathroom next to a shower and toilet at Mar-a-Lago, the former president's residence in Florida.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-indictment-pictures-photos-documents-boxes-mar-a-lago-bathroom/

You would have thought the man would have built himself a large secure storage vault in the house protected and guarded like Fort Knox if he wanted to play the game he is playing now.

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Trump should have kept the docs next to his corvette in the garage. Oh wait.....

He should have cooperated with the authorities and not lied about returning documents he purposely took.

 

Had his document removal been totally inadvertent---like with Biden and Pence---he would have simply done what those men did: invite the FBI to come, search, and remove anything classified.

 

Instead, trump tossed out a series of lies:

 

"FBI planted docs"---note his lawyers did not claim this in any court-filed docs, as that falsehood would get them disbarred

 

"I declassified all of them"---no, he did not, as if he had there would be a paper trail re each and every document

 

"I declassified them in my mind"--abject absurdity

 

"They're mine"---no, they are not, but claiming they are shows his willful intent to steal what he had no right to possess...again, in stark contrast to Biden and Pence.

 

"All docs have been returned"---no, he willfully kept documents despite having his lawyers claim he returned everything. THAT is why the FBI did the search.

 

All of this begs the question: What did he intend to do with documents that, according to SC Smith,

 

“The classified documents TRUMP stored in his boxes included information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the United States and foreign countries; United States nuclear programs; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack.

“The unauthorized disclosure of these classified documents could put at risk the national security of the United States, foreign relations, the safety of the United States military, and human sources and the continued viability of sensitive intelligence collection methods,”

Edited June 10, 2023 by Walker88

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Trump should have kept the docs next to his corvette in the garage. Oh wait.....

It's not fair, when documents were discovered to be in Biden's possession, just like Trump he refused to turn them over...oh wait a minute.

It's not fair.just like Trump Biden continued to hide documents after the Justice Dept demanded that they all be returned..oh wait a minute

Just like Trump, Biden left documents all over the place in a venue that was visited by thousands of people every day...oh wait a minute...  

 

[EVENKEEL]

15 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

I suggest you take off your MAGA/Trump blinkers before looking at things!

I'm just stating the obvious. Posting a pic of boxes means nothing. If this can get him out of the 24 race, roast him I don't care. Posting the obvious doesn't make me MAGA. 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

At various junctures starting with the pussy tapes it seemed like Trumps goose was cooked politically but he got through but this appears to be the fatal blow. It can be called. He will not be president a second time.  I think even his strongest supporters, beyond saying what about Hillary or Joe, can now see that he is done. 

Far from done, half of the US can see the false claims. 

 

[sqwakvfr]

4 hours ago, sirineou said:

Trump revealed highly classified info to Russians during White House visit: report

" Trump relayed information that came from a US partner through an “intelligence-sharing” deal so sensitive that details had been withheld from America’s allies and were even kept under wraps within most of the US government, the Washington Post reported.

The partner had not given the US the OK to share the material with Russia, and the officials said that Trump risked losing the cooperation of an ally that had deep access to ISIS strategies.

After Trump’s Oval Office meeting — from which the US press was barred, though a Russian photographer was allowed — senior administration officials scrambled to minimize the damage, frantically calling the CIA and National Security Agency to give them the heads up."

https://nypost.com/2017/05/15/trump-revealed-highly-classified-info-to-russians-during-white-house-visit/

 I read through the indictment and some of the charges look solid.  A new name popped up:  Nauta.  The conspiracy charge(s) look solid and showing classified information to non-cleared people also look solid.  

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