Trump is a criminal, Biden is too old and DeSantis is a fascist

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

A jury believed E Jean Carroll when she sued Trump for defamation, and won. IIRC $5 million. Trump is not guilty of sexual assault? Spare me the BS.

Given what is in Jack Smith's indictment, only the most purblind Trump apologist could believe he is innocent.

Most of the media lies are on Truth Social.

Republicans are scared of Trump because he is a bully. I don't think the legal system is, as he is going to find out.

Yes but he drew a corrupt maga judge in Florida. She'll likely drag this out indefinitely.

[Lacessit]

IMO Biden's age is irrelevant. Eisenhower and Reagan were not all that functional in their second terms. The advisers that both men had kept the engine of government ticking over.

Trump's administration was shambolic, surrounding yourself with yes men and women is a guaranteed recipe for bad decisions.

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Civil litigation. Not guilty. Liable but not guilty.  The precise term I can't remember but it wasn't Sexual Assault IIRC.

A member of the PTA of longstanding, your record on Trump threads is well known. I won't waste my time any further.

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Didn't Georgia have the largest voter turnout ever for the Senate? Wonder how that happened?

That's because the courts allowed voting on Saturday - precisely what I was talking about. The GOP was crying about that bigly.

[riclag]

2 hours ago, connda said:

Most people use the term "Fascist" as a highly charged pejorative, but don't actually have a clue as to what Fascism actually is.

"DeSantis Is A Fascist," really breaks down to the phrase, "I Don't Like DeSantis So I Call Him Names."

For those who use "Fascist" as a term to label people they don't like, try reading Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolina's writings regarding Fascism.  At least get the term right and apply it to actual Fascists.

Agree. You need to pay attention to the academics my friend ! The radical left who believe there opinions on history and Fascist and its similarities to present 

politics , its very disturbing , especially  knowing how the term Fascist  originated  and how it doesn't meet the smell test in American politics.

“In terms of politics, I think everyone here would hopefully agree, the left has been using the term “fascist” to describe political enemies for a century, and we’re not exactly closer to the left-wing utopia that we imagine, let alone seizing power”.

https://newrepublic.com/article/171370/calling-fascist

Edited June 20, 2023 by riclag

[candide]

18 minutes ago, riclag said:

You need to pay attention to the academics my friend ! The radical left who believe there opinions on history and Fascist and its similarities to present 

politics , its very disturbing , especially  knowing how the term Fascist  originated  and how it doesn't meet the smell test in American politics.

“In terms of politics, I think everyone here would hopefully agree, the left has been using the term “fascist” to describe political enemies for a century, and we’re not exactly closer to the left-wing utopia that we imagine, let alone seizing power”.

https://newrepublic.com/article/171370/calling-fascist

Good article. Thanks! 

Have you really read it?

[riclag]

“James Johnson, co-founder of JL Partners, said the one-word survey was not just an exercise in poking fun but offered a flavor of how leaders are viewed across the country “

Amazingly sad! I thought this was real!

Edited June 20, 2023 by riclag

[riclag]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

Good article. Thanks! 

Have you really read it?

Yes

[billd766]

16 hours ago, Tug said:

I agree with the op with this caveat Biden though old is getting positive results for the country our people and the world + there is an excellent team backing the administration ,trump is indeed a corrupt criminal and Ron desantis is a wanna be authoritarian bent on stripping Americans of their civil rights the choice to me is a no brainer 

Whilst I agree with you 100%, at this point Trump has yet to be convicted of any serious crimes against the USA

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Whilst I agree with you 100%, at this point Trump has yet to be convicted of any serious crimes against the USA

He's been indicted for some of the worst crimes that can be committed against the nation with even worse crimes under investigation and signals that they will also be indicted.

[billd766]

14 hours ago, proton said:

Just referring to one of his many gaffs is not an attack, so you have no answer about his positive results but are keen to go on about his dead son, who died in Maryland. How can a man be fit to be a president who cannot even remember that.?

And how many of trump's thousands of daily lies can you compare that to an attack?

 

quote "How can a man be fit to be a president who cannot even remember that.?"

 

How can a man like Trump who is a serial liar and be facing serious criminal charges, be fit to be a president?

 

 

Edited June 20, 2023 by billd766
corrected some bad spelling

[billd766]

14 hours ago, proton said:

President Trump is not a criminal as has not been found guilty of anything, despite 6 years of persecution and false charges, media lies and now set up in a poll! They must be really scared of him.

You are absolutely correct that he has not been convicted of anything,   Yet.

 

However, unlike President Biden, he HAS been charged and is awaiting trial on those charges. Something that you omitted to mention.

[Hanaguma]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Are you referring to George Santos?  I don't think his sexual preference is why the media is focusing on him.

No, I mean people like Vivek Ramaswamy, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Francis Suarez...

[heybruce]

31 minutes ago, candide said:

Good article. Thanks! 

Have you really read it?

I don't think he did.  If he had he would have found this:

 

"What justifies the use of the term fascism is that Trump and Co. and the GOP tried to stage a violent coup. The other reason to use the fascist label is that the GOP are trying to say they’re conservatives, and they’re acting out of desire to preserve tradition and their patriots. Well, conservatives do not try and have violent coups, whereas Trump was, as Bill Barr said, a wrecking ball. And fascists are wrecking balls."

[Hanaguma]

22 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And how many of trump's thousands of daily lies can you compare that to an attack?

 

quote "How can a man be fit to be a president who cannot even remember that.?"

 

How can a man like Trump who is a serial liar and be facing serious criminal charges, be fit to be a president?

 

 

Doesn't matter because Trump isn't the President. And Biden is. So Biden's obvious failings are far more important and relevant. FWIW I would prefer neither of them to even run for President in 2024, let alone win.  But both parties seem determined to have a kind of reverse popularity contest. 

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Out of curiosity, where do you think teenage boys who are definitely, born that way, no going back gay should learn about their sexuality? 

 

For many of them going to their parents is not an option.  If they can't learn in schools, that leaves the internet.  I can anticipate problems with that approach, especially if they naively go to chat rooms for instruction.

"Learn in school" doesn't require porn in the school library. Perhaps a guidance counsellor or trusted teacher might be the better option. 

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

No, I mean people like Vivek Ramaswamy, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Francis Suarez...

The media focus can't be too bad for them; the only name I recognize is Nikki Haley, and I don't recall unjustifiably negative or biased news about her.

 

George Santos, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz can some bad press, but they generally deserve it.

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

"Learn in school" doesn't require porn in the school library. Perhaps a guidance counsellor or trusted teacher might be the better option. 

Not in Florida.  Just ask DeSantis, he'll tell you that is strictly forbidden.

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Not in Florida.  Just ask DeSantis, he'll tell you that is strictly forbidden.

Not true.

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The media focus can't be too bad for them; the only name I recognize is Nikki Haley, and I don't recall unjustifiably negative or biased news about her.

 

George Santos, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert and Matt Gaetz can some bad press, but they generally deserve it.

None of the ones you mentioned are running for President (thank God). Check out Vivek, he is a sharp guy. Has a genuine patriotism that sometimes only comes from recent immigrant families.  Tim Scott is another genuinely decent man. Raised in poverty but became a US Senator. Impressive.

[Mac Mickmanus]

18 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Out of curiosity, where do you think teenage boys who are definitely, born that way, no going back gay should learn about their sexuality? 

 

For many of them going to their parents is not an option.  If they can't learn in schools, that leaves the internet.  I can anticipate problems with that approach, especially if they naively go to chat rooms for instruction.

I am referring to the books that show and teach that its perfectly acceptable to masturbate when driving a car .

   I think that Children should be taught that that is unacceptable behaviour and that cars are not the place to masturbate .

   Both hands need to be kept on the steering wheel when driving and you could accidently put your foot on the accelerate pedal when ejaculating .

  Children should be taught that its wrong to masturbate  when driving a car 

[heybruce]

18 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Not true.

True.

 

""This amendment prohibits classroom instruction to students in pre-kindergarten through Grade 3 on sexual orientation or gender identity. For Grades 4 through 12, instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity is prohibited unless such instruction is either expressly required by state academic standards ... or is part of a reproductive health course or health lesson for which a student’s parent has the option to have his or her student not attend," according to the amendment."  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/called-dont-gay-rules-expanded-12th-grade-florida/story?id=98691183

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

What "right wing media" would that be? Hell, not even Fox News is right wing these days.  Are you saying the only viable Democratic possible candidates are gay/female/minority?  Lots of GOP candidates fit the latter two of those categories and they are being treated just like anyone else.  Except by the left wing media, of course. 

 

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

None of the ones you mentioned are running for President (thank God). Check out Vivek, he is a sharp guy. Has a genuine patriotism that sometimes only comes from recent immigrant families.  Tim Scott is another genuinely decent man. Raised in poverty but became a US Senator. Impressive.

Let's return to your post above that I commented on.  How is the "left wing" media treating any of these candidates in an unfair manner?

[GroveHillWanderer]

59 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Most states allow in person voting 12-14 hrs a day. What's the problem?

Restricted mail in voting claim is vague, could mean anything.

ID required is just plain common sense.  Next.............

Also, the wider point is that all the various voting restrictions being introduced by Republican-controlled legislatures is specifically aimed at reducing the number of Democrat votes.

 

And how do we know this? Because one of their lawyers, when arguing before the Supreme Court no less, openly admitted it.

 

When asked about the more restrictive requirements for voting, this was his response:

 

Quote

“Because it puts us at a competitive disadvantage relative to Democrats,” the lawyer, Michael Carvin, responded. “Politics is a zero-sum game. And every extra vote they get [...] hurts us, it’s the difference between winning an election 50-49 and losing an election 51 to 50.”

In Supreme Court, GOP attorney defends voting restrictions by saying they help Republicans win

[candide]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

How come you were unaware of which books had been banned and which books did you think had been banned ?

   I personally don't think that men should masturbate when driving a car and Children shouldn't be taught that its acceptable behaviour (which is in the banned books) , if you think that's an acceptable thing to teach Children , well, we will just have to differ on that (as displayed in the bottom Left drawing)

Was it allowed under previous laws to have books with pornographic images in school libraries or was it illegal?

I mean there are already laws banning the distribution of pornographic material to minors, straight or gay. So it seems it was already illegal to give access to this book to minors.

Ex.

"Federal law strictly prohibits the distribution of obscene matter to minors. Any transfer or attempt to transfer such material to a minor under the age of 16, including over the Internet, is punishable under federal law.  It is also illegal to use misleading website domain names with intent to deceive a minor into viewing harmful or obscene material.  For example, using a cartoon character or children´s television program in the domain of a website that contains harmful or obscene material may be punishable under federal law.
          In addition, visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexual activity and are obscene are also illegal under federal law."

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/obscenity

[Hanaguma]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

True.

 

""This amendment prohibits classroom instruction to students in pre-kindergarten through Grade 3 on sexual orientation or gender identity. For Grades 4 through 12, instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity is prohibited unless such instruction is either expressly required by state academic standards ... or is part of a reproductive health course or health lesson for which a student’s parent has the option to have his or her student not attend," according to the amendment."  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/called-dont-gay-rules-expanded-12th-grade-florida/story?id=98691183

Nothing to do with guidance counselors or talking to teachers. THe law only refers to what is part of the curriculum and what is taught. Not what is said.  Counselors are not part of the teacher/school realm of responsibility.

 

Plus, there is no reason to teach sex or identity to students in grade 3 or below. None whatsoever. 

[Hanaguma]

23 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

Let's return to your post above that I commented on.  How is the "left wing" media treating any of these candidates in an unfair manner?

First, tell me about this "right wing media" because I haven't seen or heard much of them.   

[Walker88]

16 hours ago, proton said:

What is Biden doing which is getting positive results? come on man, God save the Queen. He does not even know his son did not die in Iraq!

In fact Biden has accomplished quite a bit.

 

trump inherited a growing economy and 4.8% UE. He left Biden a Recession and 6.8% UE, plus he added 40% under his watch to the National Debt. That's $7,800,000,000,000 or $24000 for every man, woman and child in the US. THAT is what caused the inflation Biden had to address.

 

It's difficult to attribute economic gain directly to a POTUS, but current UE is at a 54 year low of 3.4%, the economy is growing (despite continual predictions of doom and gloom), manufacturing jobs are growing, Biden got a bipartisan infrastructure Bill passed, Biden was the main voice arguing to support Ukraine, claiming they could take on russia, and he was right. He also re-unified the NATO trump tried so hard to destroy.

 

In terms of budget, Biden's FY2021 budget slashed $350,000,000,000 from trump's last budget, and a staggering $1,300,000,000,000 in FY2022 from trump's FY2020 budget.

 

The latest inflation number is 4%, job openings are at a record level, and border crossings are down from trump's time, despite the cries from the right.

 

As for Biden's gaffs, he was born a gaff machine and is little different at this age than he was at 35. AT least he never claimed the Revolutionary soldiers 'secured the airports' in 1776, he hasn't advocated nuking hurricanes, nor has he suggested injecting oneself with disinfectant to ward off viruses like Covid.

 

[heybruce]

25 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

First, tell me about this "right wing media" because I haven't seen or heard much of them.   

Breitbart, InfoWars, One America....

 

Any of these ring a bell?

 

Now please tell us about this "left wing media" that you think is somehow misrepresenting Republican Presidential primary candidates.

Edited June 20, 2023 by heybruce

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Breitbart, InfoWars, One America....

 

Any of these ring a bell?

Nice mainstream sources.

 

Now for the left, we have: ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, LA Times, NY Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, CNN, MSNBC, HuffPost, Media Matters....