ozimoron Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 50 minutes ago, Purdey said: Looking at a map of China showing the close regional proximity of US military bases compared with a map of north America with no Chinese military bases anywhere near, I guess the Chinese need to be more afraid than the US. Also, Americans forget there are a bunch of politicians older than Biden (Grassley is 89). It's just that Fox needs to find fault with Biden or he will defeat the Republicans again. There were fewer bases as the US had removed several in the Philippines until China started it's recent bout of territorial expansionism. Now they are coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, billd766 said: The truth does not have to be smart, if it is the truth. Depends how you want to move forward, in this case how you want to move forward with the China relations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey and the Bandit Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, billd766 said: The truth does not have to be smart, if it is the truth. I agree with your sentiment. However the person saying should know when to say it, if one is trying to ease tensions? From the BBC article: "China's foreign ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning called Mr Biden's remarks "extremely absurd and irresponsible". Speaking at a regularly scheduled press conference on Wednesday, she said that the comments were "an open political provocation" that violated diplomatic etiquette." China's spokeswoman was probably also saying the truth? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymike100 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Smokey and the Bandit said: I agree with your sentiment. However the person saying should know when to say it, if one is trying to ease tensions? From the BBC article: "China's foreign ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning called Mr Biden's remarks "extremely absurd and irresponsible". Speaking at a regularly scheduled press conference on Wednesday, she said that the comments were "an open political provocation" that violated diplomatic etiquette." China's spokeswoman was probably also saying the truth? Quite, if one is attempting diplomacy, there is a time and place for everything? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 As an innocent bystander, aka Brit, I was really rooting for Blinken, and thought he did a great job. Peace at last! Then Joe stuck his big foot in it. Total dismay! ???????????? They should have an anti-gaffe unit on 24 hour standby for some of these world leaders. I like Joe, but for heaven's sake man! Give peace a chance! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted June 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, bradiston said: As an innocent bystander, aka Brit, I was really rooting for Blinken, and thought he did a great job. Peace at last! Then Joe stuck his big foot in it. Total dismay! ???????????? They should have an anti-gaffe unit on 24 hour standby for some of these world leaders. I like Joe, but for heaven's sake man! Give peace a chance! How was it a gaffe? Is Xi not a dictator who supports Russia and wants to invade Taiwan? Somebody has to have the guts to stand up to that. It was never going to be the previous guy. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 6 hours ago, animalmagic said: Do you think Blinken may have told Biden what Xi had said at the meeting before Bidens comment at the fundraiser? Good question but that doesn't change the idiocy of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, nauseus said: Good question but that doesn't change the idiocy of this. You don't have any objection to Xi actively supporting Putin and threatening Taiwan with invasion? Not to mention his recent efforts to establish an alternative reserve currency which would greatly undermine the world order? Stealing islands off the Philippines? You don't see Xi as a major threat to world peace and order? Edited June 22, 2023 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted June 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: You don't have any objection to Xi actively supporting Putin and threatening Taiwan with invasion? Not to mention his recent efforts to establish an alternative reserve currency which would greatly undermine the world order? Stealing islands off the Philippines? You don't see Xi as a major threat to world peace and order? You are not paying attention, as usual. I am not in favour of most of China's policies (foreign and domestic). However, for Biden to say what he said, only a day after a reportedly hopeful visit to China by his senior foreign representative, is quite moronic and any goodwill restored will be shattered. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, nauseus said: You are not paying attention, as usual. I am not in favour of most of China's policies (foreign and domestic). However, for Biden to say what he said, only a day after a reportedly hopeful visit to China by his senior foreign representative, is quite moronic and any goodwill restored will be shattered. Blinken was clearly snubbed. This is payback. https://www.voanews.com/a/china-snubs-us-military-outreach-ahead-of-expected-blinken-visit-/6910896.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, stevenl said: Depends how you want to move forward, in this case how you want to move forward with the China relations. I suppose that it depends more on what China's future plans are, That is something that very few people know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Blinken was clearly snubbed. This is payback. https://www.voanews.com/a/china-snubs-us-military-outreach-ahead-of-expected-blinken-visit-/6910896.html Blinken touts ‘progress’ made in highly-anticipated Beijing meetings https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/18/china/blinken-china-visit-wang-yi-meeting-intl-hnk/index.html Edited June 22, 2023 by nauseus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, ozimoron said: You don't have any objection to Xi actively supporting Putin and threatening Taiwan with invasion? Not to mention his recent efforts to establish an alternative reserve currency which would greatly undermine the world order? Stealing islands off the Philippines? You don't see Xi as a major threat to world peace and order? If you send over your top diplomat/minister/secretary to seek to repair the totally fxxxed up mess between the US and China, then completely destroy any positive outcome with fatuous comments about dictatorship, it shows a remarkable lack of diplomacy. If you feel so heated about Xi why not just declare war on China and stop pretending you want a proper trading relationship or whatever. US never had a problem with propping up dictators in the past. The real problem is, Xi is a lot smarter than those guys. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Just now, bradiston said: If you send over your top diplomat/minister/secretary to seek to repair the totally fxxxed up mess between the US and China, then completely destroy any positive outcome with fatuous comments about dictatorship, it shows a remarkable lack of diplomacy. If you feel so heated about Xi why not just declare war on China and stop pretending you want a proper trading relationship or whatever. US never had a problem with propping up dictators in the past. The real problem is, Xi is a lot smarter than those guys. So he should tug the forelock to a dictator who wants to be an enemy of the US and the free world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Blinken was clearly snubbed. This is payback. https://www.voanews.com/a/china-snubs-us-military-outreach-ahead-of-expected-blinken-visit-/6910896.html Dated January. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prakhonchai nick Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 I imagine XI takes what Biden says with a pinch of salt.........as do most of us these days. 80 years old and President.................and his opposite number the same.......CRAZY! Get rid of both of them and bring in the younger folk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Smokey and the Bandit said: I agree with your sentiment. However the person saying should know when to say it, if one is trying to ease tensions? From the BBC article: "China's foreign ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning called Mr Biden's remarks "extremely absurd and irresponsible". Speaking at a regularly scheduled press conference on Wednesday, she said that the comments were "an open political provocation" that violated diplomatic etiquette." China's spokeswoman was probably also saying the truth? Perhaps China's spokeswoman was saying what she had been told to say. The truth or not, I have no idea. After all she works for the Chinese government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, prakhonchai nick said: I imagine XI takes what Biden says with a pinch of salt.........as do most of us these days. 80 years old and President.................and his opposite number the same.......CRAZY! Get rid of both of them and bring in the younger folk. President Biden can be replaced in 2024, or earlier or later if he dies in office. Xi does not have to be replaced as I believe he is now president for his lifetime with no elections to concern him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, billd766 said: Xi does not have to be replaced as I believe he is now president for his lifetime with no elections to concern him. Chinese presidential elections are every 5 yrs. Though they did remove 'term limits' just a while ago. Irrelevant actually, as the President is 2nd ranking as most powerful person in CH. Head of CCP is #1, which Xi holds that position also, along with commander in chief of military. So his influence will be there for quite some time. A very good thing IMHO Pretty much makes him the most powerful person in the world right now ... IMHO Edited June 22, 2023 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animalmagic Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 2 hours ago, nauseus said: Good question but that doesn't change the idiocy of this. When have good questions ever changed the idiocy of politics and diplomacy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 A personal attack has been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 3 hours ago, KhunLA said: Chinese presidential elections are every 5 yrs. Though they did remove 'term limits' just a while ago. Irrelevant actually, as the President is 2nd ranking as most powerful person in CH. Head of CCP is #1, which Xi holds that position also, along with commander in chief of military. So his influence will be there for quite some time. A very good thing IMHO Pretty much makes him the most powerful person in the world right now ... IMHO Well, if weakening the Chinese economy is a good thing, then Xi is definitely your man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) So what is worse a dictator or an influence peddler? Edited June 23, 2023 by pegman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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