How to deal with an overwhelmingly negative opinion of Thai people.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

And my experience, remember we all speak by experience as well available researches and what we read, and what we actually digest and choose to believe no matter it is true or not, we all are influnced by a mix we think are right or not.

 

When a pattern of behavior is linked to one specific ethnicity, is it racism or is it pure behaviour related? 

It is racism because it is stereotyping.

[Harsh Jones]

32 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I'll say it again. My reaction to people is not driven by race or colour but by behaviour. That should be the case for most normal people. See my edited post above.

Being haggardly and unwell kept is a behavior. If someone isn't putting any effort into their appearance, I am less respectful to them. Like walking into a restaurant when you can tell that they literally just crawled out of bed. 

[ozimoron]

11 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

Being haggardly and unwell kept is a behavior. If someone isn't putting any effort into their appearance, I am less respectful to them. Like walking into a restaurant when you can tell that they literally just crawled out of bed. 

Yes, my point is that I don't get drawn into generalizing about a race no matter how many examples I see associated with a particular race.

[Hummin]

43 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It is racism because it is stereotyping.

So when you do not like one specific behaviour, you are racist? On paper you are right, but we are talking about human beings here, like you and me

[ozimoron]

23 minutes ago, Hummin said:

So when you do not like one specific behaviour, you are racist? On paper you are right, but we are talking about human beings here, like you and me

The paper is talkign about human beings like you and me. Just accept that racism isn't a universal, innate or an intrinsic trait and leave it at that.

Edited June 26, 2023 by ozimoron

[still kicking]

46 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Yes, my point is that I don't get drawn into generalizing about a race no matter how many examples I see associated with a particular race.

Well, where I live, we have many different nationalities I can't see any problems with racism. Yes, I realize there is always a few who complain about foreigners but most of different looking people are citizen or born here most of my friends are foreigners but with citizen ship of my country 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Well, where I live, we have many different nationalities I can't see any problems with racism. Yes, I realize there is always a few who complain about foreigners but most of different looking people are citizen or born here most of my friends are foreigners but with citizen ship of my country 

Where I come there is a huge problem with racism. A few weeks ago I was entering Starbucks at Central Festival in Pattaya and there was a group of 2 Indian looking families leaving, the women dressed in Indian traditional garb. I held the door open for them and one of the men thanked me in a native born English accent.

[still kicking]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Where I come there is a huge problem with racism. A few weeks ago I was entering Starbucks at Central Festival in Pattaya and there was a group of 2 Indian looking families leaving, the women dressed in Indian traditional garb. I held the door open for them and one of the men thanked me in a native born English accent.

Well, you still are in Thailand I am talking about my country 

[Captain Monday]

21 hours ago, bogs smith said:

I shower at least twice a day and wear the finest cologne. its not enough??

Not enough but TOO much.Your cologne is likely offensive to some people here and other Asian countries.  Dump it. One's  body  should only emanate light scent of shower cream here

 

 

 

[patman30]

12 hours ago, scorecard said:

The lady moved to another table.... One reason could be that she can't speak any English and was afraid you might try to engage her in an English conversation. 

So rather than lose face by not being able to understand you / engage in any conversation she moved.

 

This is possible.

entirely possible,
for myself i don't pester others for no reason
maybe this is a bad perception of foreigners, brought on by the many pests that visit here
thinking they can just invade others space and spark up a small pointless conversation everywhere they go
see this often but usually limited to tourist towns

[NanLaew]

It would appear that the OP has "taken his ball and gone home."

[bob smith]

5 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

It would appear that the OP has "taken his ball and gone home."

nah. 

 

im still here. i'm sure you will be over the moon about that.

[Reginald Prewster]

13 hours ago, NanLaew said:

I am the only falang for miles so I am a bit of a novelty but so far so good. 

That makes a difference (unfortunately) and proves that many Farangs here play up as if Thailand was just waiting for them and without them the country would be doomed. I touched also virgin ground and experience the same... 

 

I have met so far 2 Farangs at Tescos, but they are not from my village.

 

One "classic" retiree in sleeveless Chang T-shirt scrolling on his own through the shelfs and one was a "1%er Biker Type" and he was surrounded by Thais in different ages, all were laughing and joking.

So the dress has only a minor impact... 

 

And the daily visits from neighbors show that you can be integrated when you behave and stick to the Do's and don't Do's.....

Isn't difficult at all.. 

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, bogs smith said:

nah. 

 

im still here. i'm sure you will be over the moon about that.

Great! So how long have you been struggling with your overwhelmingly negative opinion of Thai people here in Thailand?

[bob smith]

11 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Great! So how long have you been struggling with your overwhelmingly negative opinion of Thai people here in Thailand?

since i got off the plane. the IO had a terrible attitude. 

and then of course the taxi driver. 

an awful rogue.

 

but i suppose that was my fault too due to my 'superiority complex.' 

 

maybe i looked 'too aggressive' when i was waiting patiently in line to have my passport stamped and it was definitelty my fault by wearing a vest that i got ripped off by the taxi driver.

Edited June 27, 2023 by bogs smith

[NanLaew]

12 minutes ago, Reginald Prewster said:

13 hours ago, NanLaew said:

I am the only falang for miles so I am a bit of a novelty but so far so good. 

That makes a difference (unfortunately) and proves that many Farangs here play up as if Thailand was just waiting for them and without them the country would be doomed. I touched also virgin ground and experience the same... 

 

I have met so far 2 Farangs at Tescos, but they are not from my village.

 

One "classic" retiree in sleeveless Chang T-shirt scrolling on his own through the shelfs and one was a "1%er Biker Type" and he was surrounded by Thais in different ages, all were laughing and joking.

So the dress has only a minor impact... 

 

And the daily visits from neighbors show that you can be integrated when you behave and stick to the Do's and don't Do's.....

Isn't difficult at all.. 

You have incorrectly attributed that post. I did not say that. @cjinchiangrai said that.

[NanLaew]

Just now, bogs smith said:

since i got off the plane. the IO had a terrible attitude. 

Why so coy when these are signs of fear and lack of confidence?

[bamboozled]

Hard to believe this post is real.

Edited June 27, 2023 by bamboozled

[Dante99]

6 hours ago, Harsh Jones said:

Like walking into a restaurant when you can tell that they literally just crawled out of bed. 

So what if they wake up hungry.

[fondue zoo]

You're having a bad time, it's getting you down, we get it. It is however a forum so things can get a tad barbed in tone.

Try a Reset

Whenever a taxi driver attempts to take me on a 3 hour tour of the best road in Bangkok instead of my normal 5 minute journey, I fight down the urge to strangle the living sh????t out them.. Instead when I can, I drive to my ancient aunty in-laws farm to clear weeds and help with anything overgrown for the day.

 

Sure, it's exhausting, hot and you get laughed at a lot by the relatives and neighbours but there is something to be said for physical labour to clear mind and body. The body clearing part is from the overdoing it in the sun and somehow getting diarrhea from heat exposure.

Stay hydrated people.

 

_{- the number of times I get scammed by taxi drivers ensures the fields remain clear for most of the year. bastards -}

 

Edited June 27, 2023 by fondue zoo

[Harsh Jones]

8 minutes ago, Dante99 said:

So what if they wake up hungry.

What does that have to do with anything ? Dress appropriately when you go into a restaurant. Instead of being a grubby filthy fool.

[bob smith]

4 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

What does that have to do with anything ? Dress appropriately when you go into a restaurant. Instead of being a grubby filthy fool.

ey up, the fashion police are about!

[Dante99]

3 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

Dress appropriately when you go into a restaurant. Instead of being a grubby filthy fool.

Sorry those are not my only two options but apparently you wake up a grubby filthy fool.

[Harsh Jones]

8 minutes ago, bogs smith said:

ey up, the fashion police are about!

How long does it take to throw your decent pair of pants or shorts on ? (if you have any) 30 seconds ? Instead of your pajama pants

[onthedarkside]

Off topic post reported/removed along with a reply

[sandyf]

On 6/26/2023 at 8:10 AM, bogs smith said:

this is NOT a thai bashing thread, so please dont treat it as such. I am looking for advice on how to deal with these feelings that have sadly now crsytalized into something far worse than dislike for our 'hosts'.

You should try looking at it from their perspective. During the pandemic they could see much higher level of death in western countries and came to the simple conclusion that there was a much higher level of infection so became vary wary of being close to foreigners. That will be very difficult to get over.

I have also had the same experience since the pandemic but it will improve with time. I was in hospital last week and while waiting for the doctor all the nurses crowded round asking questions, just like they did in the past.

Learn to live with it, there are more important things to worry about.

[BritManToo]

I agree with the OP 100% on the Thais treatment of us foreigners.

If other posters haven't noticed it, I would put that down to their powers of observation and lacking in awareness.

Lucky for me. I don't really care.

[sandyf]

6 hours ago, still kicking said:

Well, where I live, we have many different nationalities I can't see any problems with racism.

Selective memory.

It is less than 60 years since someone of a different nationality in a prominent country wasn't allowed to dream. Another western country took a page out of that book.

[bob smith]

24 minutes ago, sandyf said:

During the pandemic they could see much higher level of death in western countries and came to the simple conclusion that there was a much higher level of infection so became vary wary of being close to foreigners

i think herein lies part of the problem. the fact that thais, more often than not go for the simplest conclusion/solution.

 

instead of reading and educating themselves properly they just go with whatever the news tells them.

 

an old thai acquaintance once told me that thai people generally do not like to read.

 

perhaps there is some truth to that..

Edited June 27, 2023 by bogs smith

[rumak]

On 6/26/2023 at 9:11 AM, bignbad said:

Maybe the 'finest Cologne' is not so fine to the Thai nose!

Shower twice a day and be natural.

 

And maybe a 'check up from the neck up' would not be a bad idea.

My opinion just from reading OP's responses turn up a number of "red flags"   ( more than the

average AN member  55) .   The OP , and others that ask for advice or "opinions"  are very quick to

get upset at answers they do not like.   Another red flag . 

Each individual has their own certain attitudes and traits.  Good and not so good .  And the Thais as well as other people will react accordingly .   Sometimes people are even upset with me...because i know too much !  

 ????

 

Edited June 27, 2023 by rumak