RFK Jr. accused of antisemitism, racism after remarks about COVID, Ashkenazi Jews

[EVENKEEL]

Just now, ozimoron said:

Is there any country which doesn't have biological science labs?

A US funded lab? Don't know

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

A US funded lab? Don't know

Next time, produce some credible evidence as required instead of regurgitating Tucker Carlson lies / talking points.

 

Theory About U.S.-Funded Bioweapons Labs in Ukraine Is Unfounded

 

Prominent conservative voices have mischaracterized remarks from American officials to amplify baseless claims promoted by Russian state media.

 

There is no evidence to support the claims, which President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, the White House, the Pentagon and the State Department have all unequivocally denied.

 

There are biological laboratories inside Ukraine, and since 2005, the United States has provided backing to a number of institutions to prevent the production of biological weapons. But Tucker Carlson, the Fox News host, and others have misleadingly cited remarks from American officials as proof that the labs are producing or conducting research on biological weapons.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/us/politics/us-bioweapons-ukraine-misinformation.html

 

How the false Russian biolab story came to circulate among the U.S. far right

 

"The Kremlin is intentionally spreading outright lies that the United States and Ukraine are conducting chemical and biological weapons activities," U.S. State Department spokesperson Ned Price said earlier this month. He and other officials warn that Russia was working to create pretexts for its attacks on a sovereign nation.

 

 

The biolab conspiracy theory is an example of how Russian narratives can be seized on and refined by conspiracy theorists in the U.S., who can often spread false narratives far more effectively than Russia's own efforts.

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1087910880/biological-weapons-far-right-russia-ukraine

 

 

 

Edited July 18, 2023 by ozimoron

[Tropposurfer]

Yet again another deeply emotionally and mentally disturbed GOP member 

[RichardColeman]

Funny how Biden is hailed but this guy is put down. Why is Biden's comments on blacks never an issue ? 

 

February 2007: Obama is "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean”

 

 

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Funny how Biden is hailed but this guy is put down. Why is Biden's comments on blacks never an issue ? 

 

February 2007: Obama is "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean”

 

 

 

 

 

Oh please.

Serving as Obama's VP for 8 years would tend to mitigate any such gaffes.

It's funny not ha ha that the most enthusiastic promoters of RFK Jr. are not democrats.

[Zapitapi]

On 7/17/2023 at 3:41 PM, ozimoron said:

You think anti-semitic and racist remarks should be protected as free speech?

oh jeez.. to his remarks..semites are a language group not a race..ashkenazi arent semites as they come from an area of far east europe and not native semitic.. palestinians on the other hand are semites and so are a few others in that area..knowing that where is the race remark??

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 7/17/2023 at 3:39 PM, FruitPudding said:

That sounds about right.

 

Can't say anything without being called racist or antisemitic.

 

Straight out the Left's playbook for taking away freedom of speech.

Of course you can say things without being called racist and anti-semitic. All you have to do is not say racist and anti-semitic things.

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, Zapitapi said:

oh jeez.. to his remarks..semites are a language group not a race..ashkenazi arent semites as they come from an area of far east europe and not native semitic.. palestinians on the other hand are semites and so are a few others in that area..knowing that where is the race remark??

The above post is 

garbage.

The definition of antisemitic refers only to Jews. Look it up. 

The theory of the European conversion cited above has been debunked. 

Not that it really matters if it was true.

Genetically Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi, Palestinian Arabs, and Italians all have middle eastern markers.

 

Of course RFK Jr is running for US president and talking total BS about Ashkenazi Jews. Most American Jews are indeed Ashkenazi. 

 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Jingthing

[Zapitapi]

23 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The above post is 

garbage.

The definition of antisemitic refers only to Jews. Look it up. 

The theory of the European conversion cited above has been debunked. 

Not that it really matters if it was true.

Genetically Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi, Palestinian Arabs, and Italians all have middle eastern markers.

 

Of course RFK Jr is running for US president and talking total BS about Ashkenazi Jews. Most American Jews are indeed Ashkenazi. 

 

referring to RFK J remarks and your answer to my post

if you want to believe that..be my guest.. facts are facts dough

hey u looked on wikipedia.. must be true then..ahahahaahahahaha there is NO debate that semites are a language group ..none

p.s. debunked? really? so how come jews living in america or poland etc looking caucasian? and not middle eastern? anyhow there is nothing one can do to make the blind see..

 

good luck

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Semites

Edited July 18, 2023 by Zapitapi

[onthedarkside]

A post making personal trolling comments has been removed along with replies. The topic here is:

 

RFK Jr. accused of antisemitism, racism after remarks about COVID, Ashkenazi Jews

 

Not the religion or identity of members here 

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

See, the word games begin. US lab vs US funded lab. Pleaseeee.

Your correct, you have begun the word games in order to avoid admitting you posted nonsense.  You are now retreating from your claim of "US labs in Ukraine".  Being one of many countries and organizations funding research in Ukraine does not make the labs US property.  I think even you understand that, but you won't admit it.

[ozimoron]

39 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Funny how Biden is hailed but this guy is put down. Why is Biden's comments on blacks never an issue ? 

 

February 2007: Obama is "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean”

Possibly because this comment was made 15 years ago and has since been addressed by Biden?

[EVENKEEL]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Your correct, you have begun the word games in order to avoid admitting you posted nonsense.  You are now retreating from your claim of "US labs in Ukraine".  Being one of many countries and organizations funding research in Ukraine does not make the labs US property.  I think even you understand that, but you won't admit it.

So to say there are US funded labs is correct, thank you. I hope my new avatar doesn't  offend. 

Edited July 18, 2023 by EVENKEEL

[heybruce]

13 minutes ago, Zapitapi said:

referring to RFK J remarks and your answer to my post

if you want to believe that..be my guest.. facts are facts dough

hey u looked on wikipedia.. must be true then..ahahahaahahahaha there is NO debate that semites are a language group ..none

p.s. debunked? really? so how come jews living in america or poland etc looking caucasian? and not middle eastern? anyhow there is nothing one can do to make the blind see..

 

good luck

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Semites

The topic title uses the word "antisemitism", not Semites. 

 

anti-Semitism

noun

an·ti-Sem·i·tism

ˌan-tē-ˈse-mə-ˌti-zəm,

ˌan-ˌtī- 

 

variants or less commonly antisemitism

: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group   https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitism

[Jingthing]

21 minutes ago, Zapitapi said:

referring to RFK J remarks and your answer to my post

if you want to believe that..be my guest.. facts are facts dough

hey u looked on wikipedia.. must be true then..ahahahaahahahaha there is NO debate that semites are a language group ..none

p.s. debunked? really? so how come jews living in america or poland etc looking caucasian? and not middle eastern? anyhow there is nothing one can do to make the blind see..

 

good luck

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Semites

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitic

 

https://forward.com/opinion/382967/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-khazars-heres-the-proof/

 

Back at you ...

anyhow there is nothing one can do to make the blind see..

 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Jingthing

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

So to say there are US funded labs is correct, thank you. I hope my new avatar doesn't  offend. 

I sometimes give money to charities.  That does not mean I own or control those charities.  Neither is it correct to post that there are "US labs in Ukraine".  Not unless you can show proof that there are labs owned and controlled by the US in Ukraine.

 

Of course you will continue with your word games rather than admit you are wrong.

[Cory1848]

23 minutes ago, Zapitapi said:

if you want to believe that..be my guest.. facts are facts dough

hey u looked on wikipedia.. must be true then..ahahahaahahahaha there is NO debate that semites are a language group ..none

p.s. debunked? really? so how come jews living in america or poland etc looking caucasian? and not middle eastern? anyhow there is nothing one can do to make the blind see..

 

good luck

You are quite correct: in linguistics, the Semitic languages are one branch comprising Hebrew, Arabic, Amharic, and many others. No argument on that.

 

In plain English, though, the word “anti-Semitism” means hostility to or hatred of Jews as a group. No amount of semantic trickery on your part can dilute the actual meaning of the word.

 

As for the origins of Ashkenazi Jews, there was a theory floating around that they descended from the Khazars, a proto-Turkic people whose leaders adopted Judaism and whose Asian khanate was absorbed by the expanding Russian state. As one poster here commented, though, that theory has been debunked by genetic testing.

[Zapitapi]

16 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The topic title uses the word "antisemitism", not Semites. 

 

anti-Semitism

noun

an·ti-Sem·i·tism

ˌan-tē-ˈse-mə-ˌti-zəm,

ˌan-ˌtī- 

 

 

variants or less commonly antisemitism

: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group   https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitism

pure logic isnt it.. so if semites are a language group ..then being anti-semitic/semitism means................? it means being agains a language group

 

but please you and the ones alike lets just rather not use logic anymore and pretend that 2=2=5.. 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Zapitapi

[newnative]

Wacko.

[Zapitapi]

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I sometimes give money to charities.  That does not mean I own or control those charities.  Neither is it correct to post that there are "US labs in Ukraine".  Not unless you can show proof that there are labs owned and controlled by the US in Ukraine.

 

Of course you will continue with your word games rather than admit you are wrong.

rfk refers to the labs maybe he knows something we dont..anyhow the sad truth is that neither you nor anyone else here will be able to confirm or deny if those labs are funded or even owned by the US

if you trust your media then the answer is clear..all is conspiracy and probably far right talking points.. the good old media with its stellar history of telling the truth:)

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, Zapitapi said:

pure logic isnt it.. so if semites are a language group ..then being anti-semitic/semitism means................? it means being agains a language group

 

but to please you and the ones alike lets just rather not use logic anymore and pretend that 2=2=5.. 

You're arguing about an established definition of a word.

That's absurd.

 

Perhaps this will help you out.

If you can't accept the actual definition you might use the phrase hatred of Jews, Jew haters, etc. Instead. Those will be understood the same way. Glad I could help 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Jingthing

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Zapitapi said:

rfk refers to the labs maybe he knows something we dont..anyhow the sad truth is that neither you nor anyone else here will be able to confirm or deny if those labs are funded or even owned by the US

if you trust your media then the answer is clear..all is conspiracy and probably far right talking points.. the good old media with its stellar history of telling the truth:)

Are you attempting to insinuate that those labs had anything to do with making biological weapons? If so, put up some evidence.

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, bignok said:

Eric is a fan

 

https://guitar.com/news/music-news/eric-clapton-tried-and-failed-to-donate-5000-to-rfk-jrs-presidential-campaign/

That's a shocker:

Eric Clapton's Covid vaccine conspiracies mark a sad final act
Bigotry and ignorance, in the age of the internet, have a way of catching up with you. And Clapton’s racism and conspiracy theories can no longer be ignored.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/eric-clapton-s-covid-vaccine-conspiracies-mark-sad-final-act-ncna1281619

[Zapitapi]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You're arguing about an established definition of a word.

That's absurd.

my point exactly..as they so often say here: up to u

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Zapitapi said:

my point exactly..as they so often say here: up to u

Your post makes no sense. 

[Zapitapi]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Are you attempting to insinuate that those labs had anything to do with making biological weapons? If so, put up some evidence.

did u read the firs sentence??? let me paste again here for u: anyhow the sad truth is that neither you nor anyone else here will be able to confirm or deny if those labs are funded or even owned by the US

that means that neither u or me can come up with evidence either way!

[ozimoron]

Just now, Zapitapi said:

did u read the firs sentence??? let me paste again here for u: anyhow the sad truth is that neither you nor anyone else here will be able to confirm or deny if those labs are funded or even owned by the US

that means that neither u or me can come up with evidence either way!

Yes or no would be good.

[Cory1848]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That's a shocker:

Eric Clapton's Covid vaccine conspiracies mark a sad final act
Bigotry and ignorance, in the age of the internet, have a way of catching up with you. And Clapton’s racism and conspiracy theories can no longer be ignored.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/eric-clapton-s-covid-vaccine-conspiracies-mark-sad-final-act-ncna1281619

When he was photographed a few years ago with Texas governor Greg Abbott, all smiles, backstage at a concert in Austin, that did it for me. I didn’t burn my Clapton records, but I’ll never listen to them again.

[Zapitapi]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That's a shocker:

Eric Clapton's Covid vaccine conspiracies mark a sad final act
Bigotry and ignorance, in the age of the internet, have a way of catching up with you. And Clapton’s racism and conspiracy theories can no longer be ignored.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/eric-clapton-s-covid-vaccine-conspiracies-mark-sad-final-act-ncna1281619

u do see that ur link states "opinion"?? right

[placeholder]

6 hours ago, novacova said:

During a commission of a crime, absolutely. 
I notice a lot of ignorant remarks here about the US from individuals that are not Americans and unfortunately some are Americans, just a lot pent up obsessive useless nonsense reiterations of leftist news conglomerates. Not a single one is capable of independent empirical analysis. Not a single one.

I notice at least one ignorant remark regard hate crime law. Yours. It's not about what is said during the commission of a crime. The Federal hate crime law is not even a law against speech. It's a law against  a crimes motivated by specified kinds of  bigotry. Speech may be evidence about motivation, but in itself is not a crime under these laws.

And thanks for your ridiculous over-the-top generalizations. 

 

Edited July 18, 2023 by placeholder