Pita ordered to suspend doing his duties as an MP

[anchadian]

2 minutes ago, Callmeishmael said:

This is the opportunity that PT has been waiting for.   After shedding a few crocodile tears they will form a new coalition.   I bet it will be PT + BJT + PPP and maybe Prayuth's party, though just those first 3 will give them a slim majority in Parliament.

I certainly hope not.

[kingstonkid]

5 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Any protests will be put down quickly there was never going to be a fair Election and anyone who thought there would only have to look at what happened to Thaksin and anyone wanting Democracy. Your threatened your family is threatened and you have to leave the Country. Funny that the day before a vote one of the main pretenders is silenced.

I somehow think depending on who is involved the protests will go on as long as the wrong party is in power.  I am stillnot convinced that the Senate will support an MFP PT coalition therefore they may not support a PT PM candidate.  

Remember in this country the military is all about the military and have never let the PT have a full term as ruling party.

[greg71]

1 hour ago, Tom H said:

42.000 shares less than 45k Baht.

Why he just did not sell before to be on safe side?

He knew about the existing law and not the „future“ law.

 

itv has been insolvent for many many yrs , these shares cannot be sold or traded , thus why he could not move them 

[elektrified]

57 minutes ago, JayBird said:

I missed the explanation of why he did not get rid of those shares before running.

 

Could someone clue me in there

He was holding them as he administered his father's estate. They were owned by his father but he is executor of the Estate. He transferred them to a relative already.

[bradiston]

8 minutes ago, Tom H said:

They find other parties representing 25 M voters who are against a change in chapter 112 for example. Even a minority government is possible and can be managed with dekrets similar C-times.

 

I see a majority apart from MF.

 

And PheuThai even get the ticket to bring someone home. PheuThai wont go on streets.

I think it's a mistake to imagine Thais aren't screaming out for a change to 112, albeit a silent scream. There are 2 streams of thought. The official one, and "the one that dares not speak it's name". When you have laws suppressing any freedom of expression, don't expect people to risk their liberty by coming out with their real feelings. There's a lot more going under the surface.

[tomacht8]

4 minutes ago, Callmeishmael said:

This is the opportunity that PT has been waiting for.   After shedding a few crocodile tears they will form a new coalition.   I bet it will be PT + BJT + PPP and maybe Prayuth's party, though just those first 3 will give them a slim majority in Parliament.

That would be political suicide for PT. They're not that stupid.

[kingstonkid]

3 minutes ago, Callmeishmael said:

This is the opportunity that PT has been waiting for.   After shedding a few crocodile tears they will form a new coalition.   I bet it will be PT + BJT + PPP and maybe Prayuth's party, though just those first 3 will give them a slim majority in Parliament.

Thaksin will never allow a coalition that involves the military and I am not sure he would allow BJT.  Thaksin understands that he got his a$$ kicked in the last election and that the people want a change.

 

Any attempt to join forces with military backed parties will just lump PT in with them in the mind of the electorate and be the kiss of death for the party.

[bamnutsak]

I'd argue that he doesn't "own" the shares, just as Prawit doesn't "own" the watches.

 

The iTV shares are/were "owned" by Pita's father. He is the shareholder of record. If those shares exist now, they exist within a trust.

 

Next I'd ask how Pita could have distanced himself from these shares as there is no market for them? Burn them? Bury them" Transfer ownership, somehow?

 

Finally, the Court must accept that owning media shares implies that the firm is active. If it is not, then no benefit comes from owning them. Did iTV give Pita free coverage and advertising?

 

It will be interesting to see the Constitutional Court ties themselves into knots arriving at a guilty vote. I think it took them ~ 9 months to clear Thaksin back in 2001 by an 8-7 vote.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[gaucan]

1 hour ago, SpanishExpat said:

Corrupt and disgusting 3rd world banana republic. That’s exactly what Thailand is and always will be!!

then why u r here? leave

[bannork]

13 minutes ago, Tom H said:

That was clear for the strategists since months.

You are 100% right.

 

 

So they need their arch enemies to join too to have a majority in Parliament - The Democrats, Pravit's party, Prayuth's party.

Yes, Pheu Thai, join with those military backed parties you swore you would never join.

If you  had an ounce of democratic backbone you would follow MF into the Opposition and let the military backed minority government fail at the first hurdle..But you can't, your owner wants to come back to Thailand so you'll work with the junta parties. What a weasley and sorry bunch PT are.

Pass the sick bag, Alice 

[Jimjim1]

38 minutes ago, JayBird said:

 

I missed the explanation of why he did not get rid of those shares before running.

 

Could someone clue me in there

 

He has clearly stated that he did not and does not own the shares, they were part of his fathers estate of which he was the executor and those shares have been passed on to other family members.

 

However I wonder if the  stirrers are trying to say that if one becomes the executor of an estate one also automatically becomes the recipient / owner of said estate irrespective of whether or not one has been left an inheritance within it in order to undermine the wishes of the people.

Surely this can not be correct even in Thailand

[billd766]

37 minutes ago, apetryxx said:

They can’t win fair and square so the resort to skulduggery. Shameful!

They have NEVER won fairly and squarely, nor could they.

 

This is the reason for the military coups.

[John Drake]

Compromise candidate needed. Clear the way for Chuwit.

[greeneking]

58 minutes ago, Homburg said:

I see trouble ahead.  It may be wise for those that can to leave The Kingdom until matters are resolved.

Please show us your ticket, oh wise one.

[John Drake]

1 minute ago, Jimjim1 said:

and those shares have been passed on to other family members.

Why didn't he do this much, much earlier?

[Callmeishmael]

5 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Thaksin will never allow a coalition that involves the military and I am not sure he would allow BJT.  Thaksin understands that he got his a$$ kicked in the last election and that the people want a change.

 

Any attempt to join forces with military backed parties will just lump PT in with them in the mind of the electorate and be the kiss of death for the party.

I do hope that you are right and I am wrong.

[Joe32]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The best outcome for Future Forward (and Thailand) is for them to move to the opposition benches and let Pheu Thai reveal their true colours by joining with junta lackeys such as Anutin and the Democrats.

 

FF will utterly destroy all these clowns in the next election and will be able to reform Thailand unhindered.

 

Rome wasn’t built in a day. 

It's clear that FF already utterly destroyed them in this election. Almost the whole map was orange. So, good luck to them explaining how Thailand is democratic. 

[bradiston]

1 minute ago, greg71 said:

itv has been insolvent for many many yrs , these shares cannot be sold or traded , thus why he could not move them 

Also, they formed part of his father's estate, which, if in probate, would have been untouchable. Were they even transferred to Pita at the time?

 

This is a job for lawyers, pure and simple. But Pita wasn't allowed to put his case to the EC before it went to the CC. Extraordinary legal procedure, and one over which the EC is now being sued by the MFP. They've removed his MP status while his case has yet to be heard. How is that possible? I guess while it's pending?

[SpanishExpat]

14 minutes ago, gaucan said:

then why u r here? leave

Because I have my wife and my life here you clown!! If you don’t care about the current situation and don’t think Thai people deserve better or live in your expats bubble, it’s better for YOU to leave !!

[Snig27]

1 hour ago, Jackbenimble said:

you sound like a Man Utd fan.......living in the past

And you sound incredibly naive. Two years ago with the protests we were one order away from this. Only social media kept it at bay. Kids were beaten badly then as were reporters. Shots were fired by the military on more than one occasion. 

Last year there were some very moving memorials and exhibitions across Bangkok to commemorate that many hundreds who have been murdered by the military in Thailand in very recent times. The Rap Against Dictatorship video has had over 100m views. Thais haven't forgotten the dark recent past even if you are oblivious to it. 

Edited July 19, 2023 by Snig27

[bradiston]

7 minutes ago, Jimjim1 said:

He has clearly stated that he did not and does not own the shares, they were part of his fathers estate of which he was the executor and those shares have been passed on to other family members.

 

However I wonder if the  stirrers are trying to say that if one becomes the executor of an estate one also automatically becomes the recipient / owner of said estate irrespective of whether or not one has been left an inheritance within it in order to undermine the wishes of the people.

Surely this can not be correct even in Thailand

I've googled the same question. Can an executor be a beneficiary? Yes, it's perfectly legal. But, the question of ownership is surely moot, as they are technically "owned" by his late father's estate, until released from probate, and transferred to Pita's ownership. They would have to be reregistered in his name with his signature on them. At that point, if he did sign for them, he became the owner. But somewhere along the line, they were transferred to other family members. Or so I believe.

 

What really annoys me is the apparent complete absence of a legal team. I mean HELLO??? Here you are, repeating the same mistake your predecessor made, and you can't see it? At that point I really begin to wonder about his political savvy. And of all those around him. And Thanathorn who could have easily tipped him off. Like a lamb to the slaughter.

[Tom H]

27 minutes ago, Callmeishmael said:

This is the opportunity that PT has been waiting for.   After shedding a few crocodile tears they will form a new coalition.   I bet it will be PT + BJT + PPP and maybe Prayuth's party, though just those first 3 will give them a slim majority in Parliament.

I know you knew that since months. 

That is the smartest comment here!

[placnx]

1 hour ago, JayBird said:

I missed the explanation of why he did not get rid of those shares before running.

 

Could someone clue me in there

It was explained that due to the company being inactive, the shares cannot be traded on BSE and the company register cannot be altered to reflect any transfer of ownership. The other MP possessor of iTV shares is said to have created a document giving his shares to a relative, and Pita may have done something similar. 

[bradiston]

14 minutes ago, Joe32 said:

It's clear that FF already utterly destroyed them in this election. Almost the whole map was orange. So, good luck to them explaining how Thailand is democratic. 

It's been renamed Move Forward Party. Future Forward no longer exists.

[Snig27]

43 minutes ago, IamNoone88 said:

Its the current law in place and it got leverage. Could have been avoided.

It would have made no difference at all. This is not about shares and never was. Zip to do with it. Zero. 

[DJ54]

Should t be a surprise to anyone the plays have been well planned out long ago…

[bannork]

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Daughter or sister come on Couchpotato the Thaksin family were forced out of Thailand before they could run again in the future. Cut the Cancer out before it spreads.

And now the cancer may be coming back, holding hands with the watch collector  

[anchadian]

 

Just the beginning:

 

 

 

[Tom H]

23 minutes ago, greg71 said:

itv has been insolvent for many many yrs , these shares cannot be sold or traded , thus why he could not move them 

He could book out from his portfolio without selling, I think. But I dont know Thai law.

[anchadian]

#โหวตนายกรอบ2 14.43h: @Pita_MFP

acknowledges his suspension as MP and is leaving the assembly room under applause by his fellow 

@MFPThailand

MPs.

 

https://twitter.com/Pita_MFP

 

Edited July 19, 2023 by anchadian