Hunter Biden: Plea deal for president's son collapses in dramatic court hearing

[ozimoron]

Impeach away. Let's go wingnuts. Let the party begin.

 

A strong whiff of desperation surrounds threats to impeach Biden

 

Unhampered by the lack of evidence of presidential malfeasance, McCarthy took the leap that the Republican party’s right wing has long been craving.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/26/republican-threat-impeach-biden-desperation

[pomchop]

 So most republicans screaming for hunter biden's head over some  hazy allegations that apparently lacked enough proof for the trump DOJ and AG to bring charges during their reign...where is your outrage of criminal acts when your boy trump has been and is being charged over and over for a variety of criminal acts that have gone beyond allegations to hard core evidence? 

 

If you are outraged over Biden's drug addicted son allegedly  taking a few million bucks where is your outrage against Ivanka and Kushner allegedly taking a few BILLION bucks from the Chinese and Saudis?  Should an investigation into that also be pursued?  

 

I am all for Biden being charged IF and WHEN there is some real hard core evidence presented to justify a grand jury indicting him.  The trump camp had two years to make a move but did not.  Why is that?

 

Meantime where is the same outrage of criminal acts by trump that have been charged after a grand jury reviewed volumes of hard core evidence of trumps variety of crimes?  The evidence so far revealed includes a multitude of video and audio tapes, often  in trumps own words, along with testimony from dozens of republicans who were in the room or on the phone and testified under oath as to what they personally saw or heard....and a grand jury looked and listened and then voted that yes there was ample evidence to support bringing criminal charges.

 

 

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, nauseus said:

A bit like the responses from the DOJ, FBI, DHS and the WH press secretary. Yah? ????

If the DOJ, FBI and DHS under both Trump and Biden could not find grounds to bring Hunter to trial, and now the House is making noise but also not finding sufficient grounds, then perhaps there is no there there.  The fact that you ignore that reality is why your answer is a vague non-answer.

[riclag]

3 hours ago, BenStark said:

Slowly, step by step we will get there,

 

You remember the laptop was also not Hunters, after it was clear it indeed was his laptop, it was loaded by the Russians.

 

What is the current situation on the laptop?

This ruling is rare & historic!

The court wouldnt rubber stamp a plea deal between defense and Doj that gave Hunter immunity from future prosecution!

Going forward after watching all of the proceedings involving the two IRS investigators  and their credible testimony involving the doj hindering the IRS attempts at inquiry , I think there is no trusting the govt to investigate it self!

That being said,after they interview Devon Archer a

Impeachment inquiry with witnesses, cross examination, testimony from IRS and others, hunters emails & graphics from the laptop .joes videos denying his awareness of his son business dealings!  All of this put

in front of the people for them to decide!imop

 

 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2023 by riclag

[ozimoron]

GOP strategist Mike Madrid believes that obsessing over Hunter Biden "just smells like Benghazi," and he doesn't think it is a smart strategy for Republicans.

 

Madrid told Politico, "Republicans trying desperately to make a story. It's always, 'We've got a witness coming, we've got more coming.' It's always next week. It's like a soap opera: 'Tune in next week.'"

 

https://www.rawstory.com/it-s-like-a-soap-opera-these-republicans-are-weary-of-their-colleagues-hunter-biden-obsession/

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

GOP strategist Mike Madrid believes that obsessing over Hunter Biden "just smells like Benghazi," and he doesn't think it is a smart strategy for Republicans.

 

Madrid told Politico, "Republicans trying desperately to make a story. It's always, 'We've got a witness coming, we've got more coming.' It's always next week. It's like a soap opera: 'Tune in next week.'"

 

https://www.rawstory.com/it-s-like-a-soap-opera-these-republicans-are-weary-of-their-colleagues-hunter-biden-obsession/

 

classic disinformation. Your linked article starts with this paragraph which can only be purposely misleading - unless the author is genuinely uninformed but then he would not have been tasked to write an article in the first place. 

 

"President Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden has been an ongoing obsession of former President Donald Trump and conspiracy theorists in the right-wing media. Trump has railed against what he calls the "Biden crime family" relentlessly, and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-California) has said that an "impeachment inquiry" is a possibility."

 

The problem is clear. The "Biden crime family" does not mean Hunter Biden.

The "impeachment inquiry" is not to impeach Hunter. It is to impeach Joe Biden.

After understanding how the author misleads by making 2 false claims in the opening paragraph there is no point in continuing.

 

 People need better sources for their news on the biden corruption. Using any media that called the laptop Russian disinfo for years is not going to inform you of the facts.

[riclag]

Joe caught in another lie during one of the 2020 debates,  he said

“my son has not made money in terms of this thing about - what are you talking about China”

https://news.yahoo.com/nothing-unethical-biden-responds-questions-021413362.html

 

Under questioning during the trial yesterday Hunter confirmed  he received $664,000 from CEFC China Pg 28. Court transcripts.

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/07/23cr274MN0726233444.pdf

 

 

Edited July 27, 2023 by riclag

[riclag]

32 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

classic disinformation. Your linked article starts with this paragraph which can only be purposely misleading - unless the author is genuinely uninformed but then he would not have been tasked to write an article in the first place. 

 

"President Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden has been an ongoing obsession of former President Donald Trump and conspiracy theorists in the right-wing media. Trump has railed against what he calls the "Biden crime family" relentlessly, and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-California) has said that an "impeachment inquiry" is a possibility."

 

The problem is clear. The "Biden crime family" does not mean Hunter Biden.

The "impeachment inquiry" is not to impeach Hunter. It is to impeach Joe Biden.

After understanding how the author misleads by making 2 false claims in the opening paragraph there is no point in continuing.

 

 People need better sources for their news on the biden corruption. Using any media that called the laptop Russian disinfo for years is not going to inform you of the facts.

When it comes to 46,Young biden is a walking treasure trove of facts , figures and incriminating statements imop

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

21 minutes ago, riclag said:

Joe caught in another lie during one of the 2020 debates,  he said

“my son has not made money in terms of this thing about - what are you talking about China”

https://news.yahoo.com/nothing-unethical-biden-responds-questions-021413362.html

 

Under questioning during the trial yesterday Hunter confirmed  he received $664,000 from CEFC China Pg 28. Court transcripts.

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/07/23cr274MN0726233444.pdf

 

 

Easily provable lies. And so so many of them. I have never witnessed so many SELF SERVING LIES from a President.

 It's amusing that even the white house spokesperson has totally changed the official narrative from Biden never discussed business with..... to Biden was never IN BUSINESS WITH, and hoped nobody would notice. Well, tough luck, people paying attention did notice

 I am puzzled why the posters that banged on about lying President's being so terrible for years are now so silent. Moreso since their own narrative for years that "there is no evidence Joe Biden was aware of nor did he ever discuss his son's business" has been shown to be a lie. Turns out some people are more angry with a guy remembering the weather wrong on a certain day than for lying about his families corrupt activities with America's adversaries.

 

[earlinclaifornia]

10 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Even if that is the extent of it, it shows clearly that Biden was lying when he repeatedly said, "my son and I never discussed anything about his business".  And also why lately the story from the White House press office has changed the narrative to "never was in business with Hunter".

Sounds very much like semantics.

[pomchop]

EVIDENCE....got any re Biden?  Then lay it out so we can all see it. 

 

Allegations and maybes and stuff you find on the deep web are not EVIDENCE and any grown adult should surely know there is often a huge difference between allegations and EVIDENCE....have you ever been accused of something you did not do?  Gee wouldn't you demand that your accuser either put up or shut up??

 

Our entire legal system is based upon the idea that when you accuse someone of something that you must have EVIDENCE to convince a jury/and or judge and prove the accusations beyond a reasonable doubt. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

30 minutes ago, pomchop said:

EVIDENCE....got any re Biden?  Then lay it out so we can all see it. 

 

Allegations and maybes and stuff you find on the deep web are not EVIDENCE and any grown adult should surely know there is often a huge difference between allegations and EVIDENCE....have you ever been accused of something you did not do?  Gee wouldn't you demand that your accuser either put up or shut up??

 

Our entire legal system is based upon the idea that when you accuse someone of something that you must have EVIDENCE to convince a jury/and or judge and prove the accusations beyond a reasonable doubt. 

Did you miss the bank records, emails, texts, photos and witness testimony from involved insiders? And the 2 IRS agents saying the investigation was OBSTRUCTED by bidens DOJ.

 

If you can account for why the bidens were paid at least $17 MILLION by foreign adversaries we are all ears. Otherwise stop insulting our intelligence.

[VocalNeal]

3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

foreign adversaries

I don't see Ukraine or Romania as adversaries????

[heybruce]

9 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Did you miss the bank records, emails, texts, photos and witness testimony from involved insiders? And the 2 IRS agents saying the investigation was OBSTRUCTED by bidens DOJ.

 

If you can account for why the bidens were paid at least $17 MILLION by foreign adversaries we are all ears. Otherwise stop insulting our intelligence.

Do explain how all this "evidence" in any way incriminates President Biden.

 

Regarding the money, it's been explained to you many times why a system accustomed to corruptly influencing leaders could easily be duped.   You either have a very short memory or are in denial.

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21 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Did you miss the bank records, emails, texts, photos and witness testimony from involved insiders? And the 2 IRS agents saying the investigation was OBSTRUCTED by bidens DOJ.

 

If you can account for why the bidens were paid at least $17 MILLION by foreign adversaries we are all ears. Otherwise stop insulting our intelligence.

You just repeat the same garbage over and over again without ever acknowledging or responding when you are called on it. You just evaporate.

[SunnyinBangrak]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You just repeat the same garbage over and over again without ever acknowledging or responding when you are called on it. You just evaporate.

I am factually correct. If you dispute anything in my post then please adress ot rather than making personal slurs.

[placeholder]

10 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I am factually correct. If you dispute anything in my post then please adress ot rather than making personal slurs.

Well, for one thing there your claim about bank records is there any evidence at all that Joe Biden received a single cent from Hunter Biden's business dealings?

[pomchop]

50 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Did you miss the bank records, emails, texts, photos and witness testimony from involved insiders? And the 2 IRS agents saying the investigation was OBSTRUCTED by bidens DOJ.

 

If you can account for why the bidens were paid at least $17 MILLION by foreign adversaries we are all ears. Otherwise stop insulting our intelligence.

then why oh why did the trump doj and barr not indict hunter...they had two years and did nothing....and with all those bank records, emails, photos etc it should have been a slam dunk....

 

and yes i saw two IRS agents who "felt" that the investigation was obstructed but the trump appointed man weiss who was actually in charge of it said that was not true....

 

If you can account for why china and saudi arabia paid kusher and ivanka BILLIONS but somehow hunters 17 million is the crime of the century that superceeds multiple criminal charges against trump where the EVIDENCE is being laid out for any and all to see.....

 

as for your "intelligence".....that is another story

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Did you miss the bank records, emails, texts, photos and witness testimony from involved insiders? And the 2 IRS agents saying the investigation was OBSTRUCTED by bidens DOJ.

 

If you can account for why the bidens were paid at least $17 MILLION by foreign adversaries we are all ears. Otherwise stop insulting our intelligence.

The FBI would like to speak to at least one of those agents.What's that about?

[SunnyinBangrak]

53 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, for one thing there your claim about bank records is there any evidence at all that Joe Biden received a single cent from Hunter Biden's business dealings?

Yes. They had shared a bank account and more. A nice summary of several specific transactions are to be found here. 

 

Joe Biden could become target in FBI Hunter probe https://mol.im/a/10070093

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Yes. They had shared a bank account and more. A nice summary of several specific transactions are to be found here. 

 

Joe Biden could become target in FBI Hunter probe https://mol.im/a/10070093

According to the article they shared bank accounts and paid each other's bills. This is your idea of criminal evidence? Should they plead guilty to holding a joint bank account? It is to laugh.

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Yes. They had shared a bank account and more. A nice summary of several specific transactions are to be found here. 

 

Joe Biden could become target in FBI Hunter probe https://mol.im/a/10070093

Piece from October 2021. It is taking them a long time.

[Rimmer]

Flame has been removed

[BenStark]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Well, for one thing there your claim about bank records is there any evidence at all that Joe Biden received a single cent from Hunter Biden's business dealings?

 

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

According to the article they shared bank accounts and paid each other's bills. This is your idea of criminal evidence? Should they plead guilty to holding a joint bank account? It is to laugh.

You can try to wriggle yourself denying the facts as much as you want, but they are facts, which you just confirmed,

 

If they have a joint account, which you just confirmed, and money was paid in that account, then there is the evidence that Joe Biden received the money

[BenStark]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Piece from October 2021. It is taking them a long time.

It usually takes long time to complete an investigation, when someone with the power at the top, is obstructing it.

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Just now, BenStark said:

 

You can try to wriggle yourself denying the facts as much as you want, but they are facts, which you just confirmed,

 

If they have a joint account, which you just confirmed, and money was paid in that account, then there is the evidence that Joe Biden received the money

"the money"? What money would that be? 

[heybruce]

12 minutes ago, BenStark said:

It usually takes long time to complete an investigation, when someone with the power at the top, is obstructing it.

So you're claiming the Trump administration impeded these investigations?

[ozimoron]

16 minutes ago, BenStark said:

It usually takes long time to complete an investigation, when someone with the power at the top, is obstructing it.

Precisely the opposite of the argument the right made when the previous guy was being investigated.

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, heybruce said:

If the DOJ, FBI and DHS under both Trump and Biden could not find grounds to bring Hunter to trial, and now the House is making noise but also not finding sufficient grounds, then perhaps there is no there there.  The fact that you ignore that reality is why your answer is a vague non-answer.

Never mind no there there or no here here. You continually ignore the probability that the "grounds" have been slow to emerge due to obstruction, slow-walking and lack of action by the DOJ, whether under Trump or Biden. 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Never mind no there there or no here here. You continually ignore the probability that the "grounds" have been slow to emerge due to obstruction, slow-walking and lack of action by the DOJ, whether under Trump or Biden. 

What obstruction and where is your evidence for it?