British father and son are brutally beaten by bouncerskicked out of a bar in 'Sin City'

[bignok]

On 8/9/2023 at 12:42 PM, bob smith said:

You are totally right.

 

Sadly, many users here think a slap should warrant a death sentence in Thailand.

 

Very sad to see (presumeably) western educated males thinking along these lines.

Porker slaps me I belt him too.

[khunpin]

Brit bashing ahead:

Many don't know the rules - but they think, they rule the world. 

Ignorant alcoholics. 

There are very exemptions and I can appreciate that. 

[BarraMarra]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Its happened in Hua Hin so yes it does happen.

 

 

[BarraMarra]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I do not believe that Thai security guards attack tourists for no reason.

Having been in both Patong and Pattaya for years, I never saw such without a reason. To the contrary, I have experienced tourists that deserved the beating they never got.

No one said they got a kicking for nothing its obvious they were asked to leave Probably because they had had enough to drink but they didn't deserve a kicking like this. 

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

So a tourist can acquire a gun? Do tell.

More likely, if a tourist was indeed able to do so, the seller would be informing the cops about it. I doubt any Thai wants farangs running around shooting other Thais.

 

Your scenario sounds more like something out of a thriller movie than real life.

I never make opinions. They don't carry weight. People can acquire guns anywhere on earth. There are thousands of illegal guns everywhere. There isn't a problem with farangs shooting Thais here. There is a problem with Thais shooting Thais. Gun violence here is extremely high. Besides that point, I said basically if a person wants to seek revenge because he was kicked while down, there are ways they can do it.

[Ralf001]

49 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

copped a touched up what does this mean? I thought they were both asked to leave a bar. maybe they just happen to be walking past the bar. if as you say he was not ejected from the bar.

The old fat guy was at another bar.... came back over to put in his 2 cents worth AFTER the son had kissed and made up with the bouncer.

[Ralf001]

3 minutes ago, roo860 said:

Looks like he used the flat of his hand, not a punch. Not condoning it by the way.

Decent ole'  bitch slap to knock that dark coloured man out cold !!

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't know how long you have lived in LOS, but that isn't what happens in the Thailand I know and love.

In my experience of LOS any farang that causes a problem in a bar gets dealt with and Thais don't play by Queensbury rules.

 

I certainly don't believe that the Brit guys were behaving themselves to get dealt to. I spent thousands of hours in Thai bars over my time and no farang behaving themselves got beaten up. I only ever saw one such instance and in that case the farang deserved the beating he got.

Have you read what other informed people have been saying? It doesn't matter how long I've lived here, but it's 6 years so you know. What matters is that the so called bouncers over reacted to a situation that could have been stopped with knowing how to subdue rowdy people. It happens daily in every other country, and a real bouncer knows what to do to de escalate the problem. they don't go about kicking people on the ground because they would be fired, and the bar might be sued. of course that doesn't happen here, as enforcement of rules is non existant and a lot of officials are corrupt. Queensberry rules don't apply to fighting outside of a tournament. This wasn't a tournament. This is a bar where people were hired to stop trouble. They hired the wrong people. Anyone who kicks someone on the ground is a coward, period. The man went down on the first hit. That's when he should have been picked up and escorted away. Sticking up for locals who act this way is a form of brown nosing. Just because you live here doesn't mean you have to tolerate bad behavior by anyone. As you can see by the many who also disagree here. I worry when others think this behavior is somehow right, that this is the kind of thinking that promotes violence on the streets.

[retarius]

The Brit attacked first with the slap[ to the bouncer's face. He deserved his 'beating'.

[pacovl46]

11 hours ago, traveller101 said:

Incorrect - there is a big difference in legal terms between self-defence and retaliation.

The bouncers actions without doubt were an act of retaliation.

See below

When someone attacks you you have the right to defend yourself and you have the right to eliminate the threat, which is what the Thai guys did because they responded immediately and they had no way of knowing whether the Brit would stop the attack after just that one slap, so from their point of view the threat was ongoing and therefore it was self-defense. And let’s face it, a threat is only eliminated once the guy gets knocked out or is otherwise incapacitated. For all they know, he could’ve been armed with a knife or brass knuckles or whatever. Was it a bit excessive on their part? Yeah, I’ll give you that, but the guy got off easy! It’s not like they beat him up for minutes after he went down! 

[Ralf001]

20 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

What matters is that the so called bouncers over reacted to a situation that could have been stopped with knowing how to subdue rowdy people. 

The "situation" was stopped after the Son and bouncers kissed and made up.

 

The old boy created a new situation by coming over from another bar and slapped the bouncer.

 

bouncer aint at fault here.

[bignok]

32 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That's when he should have been picked up and escorted away

Crazy talk. He is 155kgs. The Thais are 65kgs.

 

How do you pick up a whale and move it?

 

 

[NickyLouie]

2 hours ago, balo said:

Someone should inform father and son about this thread so they can come here and explain what really happened.  
 

 

I think they are eating @ the 99 baht buffet breakfast right now, but I'll let them know an interview is in order.

 

 

[jacko45k]

19 hours ago, mikebell said:

This must be very serious to publish the name of the bar. Matador Bar is now high on my <deleted> List.

Yes I have a few on my no go list for various reasons, some rather out of date.  Places that are badly managed like this do not deserve the patronage, I have heard Matador in negative context before. Still, these incidents are rather less than one would expect considering the environment. 

[EVENKEEL]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Have you read what other informed people have been saying? It doesn't matter how long I've lived here, but it's 6 years so you know. What matters is that the so called bouncers over reacted to a situation that could have been stopped with knowing how to subdue rowdy people. It happens daily in every other country, and a real bouncer knows what to do to de escalate the problem. they don't go about kicking people on the ground because they would be fired, and the bar might be sued. of course that doesn't happen here, as enforcement of rules is non existant and a lot of officials are corrupt. Queensberry rules don't apply to fighting outside of a tournament. This wasn't a tournament. This is a bar where people were hired to stop trouble. They hired the wrong people. Anyone who kicks someone on the ground is a coward, period. The man went down on the first hit. That's when he should have been picked up and escorted away. Sticking up for locals who act this way is a form of brown nosing. Just because you live here doesn't mean you have to tolerate bad behavior by anyone. As you can see by the many who also disagree here. I worry when others think this behavior is somehow right, that this is the kind of thinking that promotes violence on the streets.

 

This is simply the way of the Thai male to attack in packs and foot stomping is a particular favorite. Now us foreigners we don't follow those rules as we could see in the video with other foreigners not helping. Guaranteed if a few winn drivers were around they would have joined in on the foot stomping. 

[fredwiggy]

8 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

This is simply the way of the Thai male to attack in packs and foot stomping is a particular favorite. Now us foreigners we don't follow those rules as we could see in the video with other foreigners not helping. Guaranteed if a few winn drivers were around they would have joined in on the foot stomping. 

Exactly. Not knowing how to fight and kicking because of that is what a lot do. Ganging up 5 on 1, and using weapons is also cowardly, as they are afraid to go one on one or use fists because they might get beaten.

[jacko45k]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Exactly. Not knowing how to fight and kicking because of that is what a lot do. Ganging up 5 on 1, and using weapons is also cowardly, as they are afraid to go one on one or use fists because they might get beaten.

He didn't seem cowardly and quickly attacked the far bigger man after getting slapped. Enraged was my impression. Damned fool Brits was  my thought. 

[traveller101]

4 hours ago, bignok said:

Porker slaps me I belt him too.

Be very afraid.

The tough guy aka Rambo in action.

Just one question - what if the "Porker" happens to be a Thai?

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Its happened in Hua Hin so yes it does happen.

 

 

You messed up the quote somehow. I never said that

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

This is simply the way of the Thai male to attack in packs and foot stomping is a particular favorite. Now us foreigners we don't follow those rules as we could see in the video with other foreigners not helping. Guaranteed if a few winn drivers were around they would have joined in on the foot stomping. 

The farangs just watching probably thought they were getting what they deserved.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

It happens daily in every other country, and a real bouncer knows what to do to de escalate the problem.

You ain't living in every other country. It's the norm in Thailand and used to happen a lot more.

 

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

they don't go about kicking people on the ground because they would be fired, and the bar might be sued. of course that doesn't happen here, as enforcement of rules is non existant and a lot of officials are corrupt.

You got that right. The incident happened in Thailand, not some other country.

 

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Sticking up for locals who act this way is a form of brown nosing. Just because you live here doesn't mean you have to tolerate bad behavior by anyone.

I'm not sticking up for the locals, just pointing out reality in LOS, and to be frank, I've had it with <deleted> louts that get away with bad behaviour anywhere, and if from time to time one gets some payback, I'm OK with that.

Don't want a kicking, don't misbehave.

The 2 in question might think before behaving badly next time.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The farangs just watching probably thought they were getting what they deserved.

No, they were smart and didn't want to get involved, because defending another man here that slapped a Thai will bring you trouble, no matter what the locals did to him. I'm sure the farangs knew this was wrong. You still, like some others here, don't understand that he didn't get what he "deserved." He slapped a guy, he was hit back. That's where it should have ended, especially seeing he went down. That would be getting what he deserved. I seriously doubt he would have continued the fight anyway. Kicking him on the ground is cowardly, no matter what anyone might believe. It doesn't matter what country this may have happened. A bouncers job is to subdue people, and bring them outside, or away from the bar. They did this in a western country, they would be fired, and the bar sued. Another thing you're overlooking. This bar will now lose customers, meaning farangs, and now, since they got away with this behavior, it will be free reign on anyone else that gets a little out of line. The next time it might be someone dying.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Exactly. Not knowing how to fight and kicking because of that is what a lot do. Ganging up 5 on 1, and using weapons is also cowardly, as they are afraid to go one on one or use fists because they might get beaten.

LOL. Why would anyone take a chance on getting beaten when they don't need to?

What you are talking about is old style western so called honour, which has vanished some time ago. Now the <deleted> are everywhere because everyone else is too afraid to deal to them.

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You ain't living in every other country. It's the norm in Thailand and used to happen a lot more.

 

You got that right. The incident happened in Thailand, not some other country.

 

I'm not sticking up for the locals, just pointing out reality in LOS, and to be frank, I've had it with <deleted> louts that get away with bad behaviour anywhere, and if from time to time one gets some payback, I'm OK with that.

Don't want a kicking, don't misbehave.

The 2 in question might think before behaving badly next time.

Exactly my point. What is accepted as the "norm" isn't normal. Many things are accepted here as the "norm" and people are hurt, molested and killed, with sometimes nothing being done. You think that makes for good tourism or business? I guess you don't realize that every time a farang is hurt here, unless he's doing real damage to others, is a black mark against those that want to visit or move here. Barbarism isn't tolerated forever, as we see when dictators are allowed to do what they please until someone steps in and eliminates them. This will be seen worldwide, and the people who aren't dense, violent or brown nosers will look at this in a bad way. I repeat aain, what the man did was wrong, but what the bouncers did was worse.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

No, they were smart and didn't want to get involved, because defending another man here that slapped a Thai will bring you trouble, no matter what the locals did to him. I'm sure the farangs knew this was wrong. You still, like some others here, don't understand that he didn't get what he "deserved." He slapped a guy, he was hit back. That's where it should have ended, especially seeing he went down. That would be getting what he deserved. I seriously doubt he would have continued the fight anyway. Kicking him on the ground is cowardly, no matter what anyone might believe. It doesn't matter what country this may have happened. A bouncers job is to subdue people, and bring them outside, or away from the bar. They did this in a western country, they would be fired, and the bar sued. Another thing you're overlooking. This bar will now lose customers, meaning farangs, and now, since they got away with this behavior, it will be free reign on anyone else that gets a little out of line. The next time it might be someone dying.

You keep talking as if you are in a western country.

Wake up and smell the chilli frying.

 

That bar will probably not lose any customers because in Pattaya a new lot will arrive to replace the ones leaving.

If I were a regular there, I'd be happy that the troublemakers were being dealt with in a way they wouldn't be back. If it happened while I was there, the guy sitting with his back to the camera watching might have been me.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Exactly my point. What is accepted as the "norm" isn't normal. Many things are accepted here as the "norm" and people are hurt, molested and killed, with sometimes nothing being done. You think that makes for good tourism or business? I guess you don't realize that every time a farang is hurt here, unless he's doing real damage to others, is a black mark against those that want to visit or move here. Barbarism isn't tolerated forever, as we see when dictators are allowed to do what they please until someone steps in and eliminates them. This will be seen worldwide, and the people who aren't dense, violent or brown nosers will look at this in a bad way. I repeat aain, what the man did was wrong, but what the bouncers did was worse.

I've been going to Thailand about 3 decades longer than you, and such incidents probably don't even get reported in the local papers. Just another lot of stroppy farangs getting some education about behaviour.

It has been going on as long as I've been going to LOS, and it didn't stop tourists coming back then and IMO it won't now.

Behave properly and nothing will happen to you; be a bad lad and regret it.

[georgegeorgia]

They picked the old guy 

Would they have done it to Sharkey ?

Probably not

[fredwiggy]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You keep talking as if you are in a western country.

Wake up and smell the chilli frying.

 

That bar will probably not lose any customers because in Pattaya a new lot will arrive to replace the ones leaving.

If I were a regular there, I'd be happy that the troublemakers were being dealt with in a way they wouldn't be back. If it happened while I was there, the guy sitting with his back to the camera watching might have been me.

I'm replying to say things should be handled better. It doesn't matter what country this is. Wrong is wrong, and if wrong is allowed to continue, more wrong happens. Media can make or break you. Every foreigner that sees this will think twice about going there. What was allowed was wrong, period. If you can't handle customers that get out of line, you get another job. People who react instead of using restraint only bring more trouble, and possible loss of revenue. You don't take it personally when someone lightly slaps you, as this man did. What was said that made that man slap him? A person that's violent, with childish tendencies, will react to this kind of situation instead of using logic. When someone hits you, and you're a bouncer, you don't respond by going after them after you put them on the ground and kicking them in the back or head. This kind of reaction takes place daily here, with people kicking people when they are on the ground, already subdued. I don't care what you think it is, you're wrong. This was a place of business, and not a ring. This wasn't someone who was hurting your family. This was a drunk man who slapped the bouncer because he said something he didn't like, was knocked to the ground, and was kicked in the back. You can defend this action? If I was there, I wouldn't return, nor would any friends I happened to be with. There are many bars there where this isn't happening, and incidents do happen almost daily from what I hear from regular patrons., of Pattaya bars. This video is now worldwide. You can bet others are thinking the same thing some of us here are. You wouldn't say the same thing if you were back in your home country, but as you say, this isn't the west.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm replying to say things should be handled better. It doesn't matter what country this is. Wrong is wrong, and if wrong is allowed to continue, more wrong happens. Media can make or break you. Every foreigner that sees this will think twice about going there. What was allowed was wrong, period. If you can't handle customers that get out of line, you get another job. People who react instead of using restraint only bring more trouble, and possible loss of revenue. You don't take it personally when someone lightly slaps you, as this man did. What was said that made that man slap him? A person that's violent, with childish tendencies, will react to this kind of situation instead of using logic. When someone hits you, and you're a bouncer, you don't respond by going after them after you put them on the ground and kicking them in the back or head. This kind of reaction takes place daily here, with people kicking people when they are on the ground, already subdued. I don't care what you think it is, you're wrong. This was a place of business, and not a ring. This wasn't someone who was hurting your family. This was a drunk man who slapped the bouncer because he said something he didn't like, was knocked to the ground, and was kicked in the back. You can defend this action? If I was there, I wouldn't return, nor would any friends I happened to be with. There are many bars there where this isn't happening, and incidents do happen almost daily from what I hear from regular patrons., of Pattaya bars. This video is now worldwide. You can bet others are thinking the same thing some of us here are. You wouldn't say the same thing if you were back in your home country, but as you say, this isn't the west.

You keep on as if it were in some nanny state. Thailand isn't a nanny state yet and if some louts want to be bad in LOS they will be in for a shock.

I see no point in continuing this discussion with you, so I won't be replying to any further post from you on this thread.

[jonclark]

On 8/9/2023 at 9:14 AM, KhunLA said:

Som naa na

 

Another quality tourist ... fine, deport & ban for life.

 

Another silly headline.  Should read "Brit tourist attacks bouncer - gets instant Karma"

I am sure the bouncers actions, now widely shared in the UK media,  will help TAT promote Pattaya as a wonderful and welcoming family resort, wouldn't you agree.  A bouncers job is to de-escalte the situation, even if provoked.  Hope those assulted press criminal charges against the bouncers and the bouncers are fined, (and ideally deported and banned for life even though they are Thai)