Georgia grand jury to decide on Trump election charges

[Social Media]

 

Earlier, former Georgia lieutenant governor Geoff Duncan left the courthouse after testifying before the grand jury. And he had strong words for his fellow Republicans.

Duncan told reporters he could not speak to the specifics of his testimony, but said "it's important to tell the truth".

Duncan later elaborated to the Atlanta Journal Constitution that this was "a pivot point for this country to do something more than just stew on the 2020 election cycle".

"We're either gonna as Republicans, take our medicine and realise the election wasn't rigged, Donald Trump was the worst candidate ever in the history of the party [... ] and now we're going to have to pivot from here.

"We wanna win an election in 2024, it's gonna have to be somebody else than Donald Trump if we do it."

Duncan had a front row seat to Trump's efforts to impact the Georgia election results in 2020 and he harshly criticised the former president and his allies for their actions.

Earlier today, Trump had warned in a Truth Social post that Duncan should not testify.

 

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[Bkk Brian]

Grand Jury is apparently voting right now:

 

Grand jury reportedly voting on election fraud charges

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/aug/14/donald-trump-indictment-latest-updates-georgia-election-charges-fulton-county

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, Social Media said:

"We're either gonna as Republicans, take our medicine and realise the election wasn't rigged, Donald Trump was the worst candidate ever in the history of the party [... ] and now we're going to have to pivot from here.

 

[earlinclaifornia]

Just in 10 indictments! Watched Hannity and on this day I will never forget the joy it brought!

[Tug]

10 more indictments handed down in the Georgia Trump attempted vote theft by unanimous vote a sad day but a healing one to

[jerrymahoney]

Posted July 24

 

(JM) However maybe the more incriminating part of the coversation just precedes the 11,780 vote request:

 

And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal, it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. ... You know, I mean, I’m notifying you that you’re letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1300947-georgia-supreme-court-denies-trump-bid-to-quash-fulton-county-investigation/?do=findComment&comment=18223776

 

[FritsSikkink]

More info here: Trump indicted in Georgia over 2020 presidential election interference (msn.com)

 

 

[earlinclaifornia]

This is all about justice and accountability. America proving why we support democracy.

[ozimoron]

Good news this morning. Toast with my toast. mmmm

[transam]

At last McTrump is facing the consequences of his actions.....

[FritsSikkink]

Lot of witches going to be burned: A look at the 19 people charged in Georgia indictment connected to Trump election scheme (msn.com)

Nice part is that everything can be followed on TV.

[jerrymahoney]

Fani is not nimble and

Fani is not quick.

 

But in my opinion, she has a criminal case with far less wiggle room than any of the other 3.

[earlinclaifornia]

18 all together.

[earlinclaifornia]

40 unindicted co-conspirators. Tall list.

 

[Berkshire]

Trump must report by 25 Aug.  We might actually get a mugshot this time....555

 

[Pat Labat, the Fulton County Sheriff, has also said he will not deviate from his “normal practices” when processing the case, which means Mr Trump will have his mugshot and fingerprints taken like any other suspect.]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-trump-georgia-indictment-could-050325470.html

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, earlinclaifornia said:

18 all together.

Reuters is saying 19 total defendants, including Trump, Rudy Giuliani and former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows, among others. Charged under the state's anti-racketeering law, which seems supremely fitting:

 

Georgia charges Trump, former advisers in 2020 election case

 

Aug 14 (Reuters) - Former U.S. President Donald Trump was hit with a sweeping fourth set of criminal charges on Monday when a Georgia grand jury issued an indictment accusing him of efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss to Democrat Joe Biden.

 

The charges, brought by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, add to the legal woes facing Trump, the front-runner in the race for the Republican nomination for the 2024 presidential election.

 

The sprawling 98-page indictment listed 19 defendants and 41 criminal counts in all.

 

(more)

 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-state-georgia-appears-set-file-charges-against-donald-trump-court-document-2023-08-14/

 

[jerrymahoney]

On 8/15/2023 at 12:20 PM, jerrymahoney said:

Fani is not nimble and

Fani is not quick.

 

But in my opinion, she has a criminal case with far less wiggle room than any of the other 3.

ADDENDUM:

 

OPINION

 

Trump’s Georgia Indictment Is His Most Dangerous

 

Yet it’s the focus of Georgia law that’s truly dangerous to Trump. The beating heart of the case is the 22 counts focused on false statements, false documents and forgery, with a particular emphasis on a key statute: Georgia Code Section 16-10-20, which prohibits false statements and writings on matters “within jurisdiction of state or political subdivisions.” The statute is a state analogue to a federal law, 18 U.S.C. Section 1001, which also prohibits false statements to federal officials on matters within their jurisdiction, but the Georgia statute is even broader.

 

Simply put, while you might be able to lie to the public in Georgia — or even lie to public officials on matters outside the scope of their duties — when you lie to state officials about important or meaningful facts in matters they directly oversee, you’re going to risk prosecution. That’s exactly what the indictment claims Trump and his confederates did, time and time again, throughout the election challenge.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/opinion/georgia-donald-trump-indictment-case.html

https://archive.is/rkPdF#selection-339.0-339.48

 

 

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On 8/15/2023 at 12:20 PM, jerrymahoney said:

Fani is not nimble and

Fani is not quick.

 

But in my opinion, she has a criminal case with far less wiggle room than any of the other 3.

If that's the case, it's only because Aileen Cannon is the judge in the Mar a Lago documents case. Even Dershowitz and Turley think that case looks bad for Trump.

[jerrymahoney]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If that's the case, it's only because Aileen Cannon is the judge in the Mar a Lago documents case. Even Dershowitz and Turley think that case looks bad for Trump.

If that's the case, at least as expressed in the linked article, it is because the structure of the state statutes present more problems for Mr. Trump than the more restrictive federal statutes.

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6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

If that's the case, at least as expressed in the linked article, it is because the structure of the state statutes present more problems for Mr. Trump than the more restrictive federal statutes.

I don't understand. Even though Trump is being tried in Federal court in the Mar a Lago case, Dershowitz and Turley believe that's the one that poses the greatest threat to him.

[jerrymahoney]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I don't understand. Even though Trump is being tried in Federal court in the Mar a Lago case, Dershowitz and Turley believe that's the one that poses the greatest threat to him.

Also from that linked article:

 

In other words, this indictment is ambitious. But it also answers two related questions: Why bring yet another case against Trump in yet another jurisdiction? Isn’t he going to face a federal trial in Washington, D.C., for the same acts outlined in the Georgia indictment?

The answers lie in the distinctions between state and federal law. Georgia law is in many ways both more broad and more focused than the federal statutes at issue in Smith’s case against Trump. The breadth is evident from the racketeering charges. ...

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8 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Also from that linked article:

 

In other words, this indictment is ambitious. But it also answers two related questions: Why bring yet another case against Trump in yet another jurisdiction? Isn’t he going to face a federal trial in Washington, D.C., for the same acts outlined in the Georgia indictment?

The answers lie in the distinctions between state and federal law. Georgia law is in many ways both more broad and more focused than the federal statutes at issue in Smith’s case against Trump. The breadth is evident from the racketeering charges. ...

But since, the strictures of the Federal law have been amply and repeatedly addressed with huge amounts of evidence, it is strange to suggest that the Georgia case is stronger, or even as strong. 

[jerrymahoney]

I think the guy in that article, of which I can only quote 3+ sentences, has an answer for that.

 

 

It is a matter of how the statutes are structured and what a prosecution has to prove to the jury that the defendant(s) has indeed violated those criminal statutes.

[LosLobo]

It's now official!

 

After decades of suspected links to the Mafia, Trump along with his 'goodfellas' are now officially recognised by the law as a Mafia-like enterprise, by virtue of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act used for charges on this indictment.

 

It is paradoxical that the now Mafioso Don's consigliere Guliani successfully pioneered the use of RICO against the Mafia when he was United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

 

In 1986, Guliani brought down Fat Tony Salerno of the Genoveses,Tony Ducks Corallo of the Luccheses and Junior Persico of the Colombos.

 

Giuliani faces RICO charge similar to one he used against mobsters (axios.com)