Trump's Mar-a-Lago IT director Yuscil Taveras changes course to implicate the former president in classified doc case

[Danderman123]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Like they're paying Giuliani's legal bills?

Trump is only paying the legal bills for himself and others involved in the classified documents case.

 

The Georgia perps are on their own.

[Danderman123]

A question for the Trump supporters: concerning the people who are indicted along with Trump, what's going to happen to them?

 

Do you think they are innocent?

 

Or, do you think they did illegal stuff without informing Trump?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

A question for the Trump supporters: concerning the people who are indicted along with Trump, what's going to happen to them?

 

Do you think they are innocent?

 

Or, do you think they did illegal stuff without informing Trump?

There's a miraculously long chain of people doing things which coincided with Trump's wishes but not at his direction, apparently. Either that or they are going to flip and become prosecution witnesses.

[FritsSikkink]

If you though it couldn't get worse: 

 

'Unbelievably stupid' Trump actions keep making Mar-a-Lago docs case 'more outrageous': Morning Joe panel (msn.com)

[ozimoron]

11 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

If you though it couldn't get worse: 

 

'Unbelievably stupid' Trump actions keep making Mar-a-Lago docs case 'more outrageous': Morning Joe panel (msn.com)

Rats aren't stupid. They know when to jump ship. The unhinged Trump memo is starting to sink in.

[candide]

On 9/19/2023 at 8:34 AM, candide said:

Anothere news

"Trump reportedly told an aide, Molly Michael, not to discuss "boxes" with the FBI.

"You don't know anything about the boxes," he reportedly told her.

Michael also said that Trump wrote to-do lists on the back of classified documents."

 

Trump reportedly told aide that she doesn't 'know anything about the boxes' after she was contacted by the FBI

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-reportedly-told-aide-she-213137628.html

Could it lead to a witness tampering charge?

 

“The worst part of the report is not, believe it or not, in my mind, the to-do lists on the back of classified documents,” the former New Jersey governor told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto on Tuesday. “The worst is when he called that assistant when she was going to go before the grand jury and said, ‘You don’t know anything about my boxes, my boxes of documents.’”

 

“That is active witness tampering. That’s active obstruction of justice,” he added.

 

Chris Christie Pinpoints The Very ‘Worst Part’ Of Bombshell Trump Report

https://news.yahoo.com/chris-christie-pinpoints-very-worst-092723328.html

 

 

[billd766]

On 9/7/2023 at 1:05 PM, candide said:

“I don’t talk about anything. You know why? Because I’m allowed to do whatever I want. I come under the Presidential Records Act,” Trump replied, while also taking a quick detour to bash Hewitt. “I’m not telling you. You know, every time I talk to you, ‘Oh, I have a breaking story.’ You don’t have any story. I come under the Presidential Records Act. I’m allowed to do everything I did.” ????

 

Trump: ‘I’m Allowed to Do Whatever I Want’ With Classified Info

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-m-allowed-whatever-want-173709203.html

 

 

IMHO, Trump truly believes in his own words.

[xylophone]

18 minutes ago, billd766 said:

IMHO, Trump truly believes in his own words.

Mentally unstable without a doubt.

[ozimoron]

36 minutes ago, billd766 said:

IMHO, Trump truly believes in his own words.

I disagree. You give him too much credit. He's willing to say whatever it takes to get more votes. He doesn't care where they come from. The lowest common denominator is a niche vote no candidate has previously wanted to embrace. The southern strategy put a toe in the water but Trump had a bath.

[Danderman123]

Here's a question for the Trump fans:

 

Is it conceivable that Trump is guilty? To put it another way, is there any possible evidence or testimony that would you believe Trump is guilty?

 

Let's go through the steps:

 

Do you believe that the Presidential Records Act allows Trump to take government records from Washington?

 

Do you believe that Trump had government records at his residence, or were they planted by the FBI?

 

Do you believe that some of these records were classified, or otherwise protected from public distribution? Or, do you believe that Trump declassified every document when he took them?

 

Let's see where you get off the Reality Bus.

[Danderman123]

A new twist to the classified documents case

[Danderman123]

He Was Accused of Sexual Misconduct. Then Trump Hired Him. Then He Was Indicted in Mar-a-Lago Case.

 

Weeks before Nauta—a Navy enlistee stationed with the White House Presidential Support Detail since 2012—traded Washington, D.C., for Palm Beach, Navy officials had escorted him off White House grounds, reassigned him to a new post, and docked his White House security clearance in response to accusations of fraternization, adultery, harassment, and other inappropriate sexual conduct, including “revenge porn,” two people with direct knowledge of the matter told The Daily Beast.

[Walker88]

Interesting that this thread is bereft of trumpers.

 

They know trump broke the law and is guilty not only of theft, but lying to the FBI and endangering national security plus the identities of clandestine foreign assets.

 

If any do chime in, I would be happy to give them a remedial lesson on the classification and declassification procedures, which are prima facie evidence of trump's guilt.

 

It seems obvious why trump's lackey Judge Cannon is delaying and delaying and delaying. To borrow from trump, she should be de-benched (kind of like trump's de-banked).

[bendejo]

I gave up on this documents case.  This case will be open until Cannon retires 20 years from now, even if DT dies in that time.

Same with the Georgia case, them good ol' boys will get rid of Willis and put their own in there, and give the orange a win. 

With the sedition case in the hands of SCOTUS the outcome is obvious.

So much for hope.

But I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, bendejo said:

I gave up on this documents case.  This case will be open until Cannon retires 20 years from now, even if DT dies in that time.

Same with the Georgia case, them good ol' boys will get rid of Willis and put their own in there, and give the orange a win. 

With the sedition case in the hands of SCOTUS the outcome is obvious.

So much for hope.

But I hope I'm wrong.

 

There is no scenario where Trump is in jail in November.

 

It's unlikely that Trump will be convicted by November, except in the Manhattan case, and nobody will care about that. Even if convicted, Trump would likely get probation, as a first time offender.

 

The rest of the cases will be tried after Trump loses in November. And nobody will really care.

[jerrymahoney]

The Florida documents case is still in discovery mode

 

Donald Trump's Battle To Unseal Documents Gets Boost
Published Jan 23, 2024 at 12:05 PM EST

 

Donald Trump's efforts to unseal documents in his classified documents case have received a boost after a coalition of news organizations pushed for greater transparency in the case.

 

Trump is facing dozens of felony charges accusing him of unlawfully retaining classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida after leaving the White House in 2021 and repeatedly obstructing government efforts to retrieve them. ...

 

In a filing on Monday, Trump's lawyers accused Smith of failing to demonstrate why some documents needed to be sealed or redacted. Smith's office "made no effort to substantiate its vague claims concerning 'witness safety' and 'national security' as they relate to the requested redactions," the filing read.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-battle-unseal-documents-boost-1863198

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

In a filing on Monday, Trump's lawyers accused Smith of failing to demonstrate why some documents needed to be sealed or redacted. Smith's office "made no effort to substantiate its vague claims concerning 'witness safety' and 'national security' as they relate to the requested redactions," the filing read.

Perhaps Trump’s legal team aren’t aware of his habit of directing his most rabid followers at witnesses, they might not even understand ‘Classified Documents’ might have a bearing on national security.

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps Trump’s legal team aren’t aware of his habit of directing his most rabid followers at witnesses, they might not even understand ‘Classified Documents’ might have a bearing on national security.

The article above refers to government witnesses, not Trump witnesses.

 

< Smith's team filed an opposition to Trump's motion two days later, saying the government "supports full transparency of the record consistent with witness safety, national security, and the Court's protective order."

[Chomper Higgot]

58 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The article above refers to government witnesses, not Trump witnesses.

 

< Smith's team filed an opposition to Trump's motion two days later, saying the government "supports full transparency of the record consistent with witness safety, national security, and the Court's protective order."

I didn’t say ‘Trump’s witnesses’.

 

Refer Trump’s past behaviour towards witnesses against him.

[stevenl]

Reading this a big part of trump's delay tactics should be dismissed. Of course it's from the prosecutor only.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/02/politics/jack-smith-defends-mar-a-lago-search-case/index.html

[Danderman123]

https://www.rawstory.com/aileen-cannon-classified-documents-2667263203/

 

Trump's lawyers have revealed one of their defenses: that the classified documents stolen by Trump should not have been classified. Therefore the documents should not be redacted, so that Trump's lawyets can argue about whether they should have been classified, based on their timeliness.

 

It's a losing defense in a trial, but can delay the trial.