Depression that black dog

[Hummin]

I would like to say this is a very productive tread with many good contributions. 

 

Afterall we have our own experiences only, and what we have choosed to read and how or what we have understood.

 

The greatest thing is to talk about it, and seek help, and the ball might start rolling in the right direction. 

 

Adjustments is often the key, and willing to sacrifice socalled quick fixes, like substances that you think make you happy, but really worsen your condition on the long term.

 

Be it junk food, sugar, nicotine, alchohol, drugs, laziness when you are not to sick to not do something, and hide under the blanket until it goes away. 

 

Leaarn to know when it starts and prevent it escalate. Easy to say, but my experience, and it took me also 47 years to finely understand what was wrong with me, and what I needed to do.

 

Looking back, Im still great fully for the experiences, because I know now I do not need to chase the next fix in life, be it a mountain, brake a new record or more money! 

 

Find your triggers that moves your mood from one end to another, and find the right balance. 

 

As said, it is easy to be expert on yourself, but for other people, not

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, bignok said:

 

I disagree. I had clinical depression. Drs did not help. Most drs have no idea what to say to you, give you pills then send you home.

 

 

How many doctors did you see? If the ones you saw had no idea what to say, they weren't very experienced, especially if they prescribed pills you might not need, or the wrong ones. Did they diagnose clinical depression or not listen when you told them how you felt? Clinical has no cure and should be monitored throughout your life. You don't want to get that low again if you can do something about it. The doctor my friend sees here just refills her prescription without much thought. I can't really talk to him because he doesn't speak English and my friend doesn't fully understand Anhedonia and what to do about it, so hasn't asked him to maybe try another med to see if she gets better results.

[bignok]

Google, youtube = worlds best doctors

 

[bignok]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

How many doctors did you see? If the ones you saw had no idea what to say, they weren't very experienced, especially if they prescribed pills you might not need, or the wrong ones. Did they diagnose clinical depression or not listen when you told them how you felt? Clinical has no cure and should be monitored throughout your life. You don't want to get that low again if you can do something about it. The doctor my friend sees here just refills her prescription without much thought. I can't really talk to him because he doesn't speak English and my friend doesn't fully understand Anhedonia and what to do about it, so hasn't asked him to maybe try another med to see if she gets better results.

Nonsense. I cured myself. Google and youtube. Drs are mostly useless. I found that natural supplement via google not a doctor. Drs are just drug dealers.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, bignok said:

Nonsense. I cured myself. Google and youtube. Drs are mostly useless. I found that natural supplement via google not a doctor. Drs are just drug dealers.

Doctors aren't drug dealers. They do prescribe medicines that kill people every day, but are necessary to get the right prescription that can treat depression. If you had mild depression, it can respond to natural supplements like St. John's Wort, which actually worked for a girlfriend of mine until she stopped taking it. She has clinical depression, diagnosed, and is now a truck driver who is always busy,which helps her. I don't know if she tried any prescribed medications besides when I was with her, and that one made her worse. She self medicated all the time, and like all those that do, it had bad after effects. Mild depression can be helped naturally, along with the exercise, good diet and sleep which helps everyone's moods, but some require treatment, because some don't go away.

[bignok]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Doctors aren't drug dealers. They do prescribe medicines that kill people every day, but are necessary to get the right prescription that can treat depression. If you had mild depression, it can respond to natural supplements like St. John's Wort, which actually worked for a girlfriend of mine until she stopped taking it. She has clinical depression, diagnosed, and is now a truck driver who is always busy,which helps her. I don't know if she tried any prescribed medications besides when I was with her, and that one made her worse. She self medicated all the time, and like all those that do, it had bad after effects. Mild depression can be helped naturally, along with the exercise, good diet and sleep which helps everyone's moods, but some require treatment, because some don't go away.

Drug dealers, licensed ones. Mostly clueless about diet and supplements.

 

Learnt far more from google.

[bignok]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

St. John's Wort

Tried that. Has a mild calming effect. Nothing more.

[Jelli]

There's a lot to be depressed about in the world today. It's no shocker to me that the indirect yet massive bs in the world today weighs on many a soul. That's before we head down our own tortured paths.

[bignok]

12 minutes ago, Jelli said:

There's a lot to be depressed about in the world today. It's no shocker to me that the indirect yet massive bs in the world today weighs on many a soul. That's before we head down our own tortured paths.

You should forget about the outside world. Focus on yourself. You can only control yourself.

 

 

[swm59nj]

If a person is depressed and shows signs of it there has to be an underlying cause.  Which possibly the person is not aware of. 

[Lacessit]

IMO the OP is not depressed over nothing. Something in his life needs changing.

I was depressed about 40 years ago, the result of an unhappy marriage. I was taking a tricyclic anti-depressant for about 20 years. I stopped the medication about 20 years ago.

If the OP is depressed because of his work, he should seek new employment. Medication may help; however, it usually has undesirable side effects.

It's a matter of identifying what is causing his depression, and eliminating it.

[jak2002003]

7 hours ago, bignok said:

 

I disagree. I had clinical depression. Drs did not help. Most drs have no idea what to say to you, give you pills then send you home.

 

 

OK.. So how did you overcome the depression yourself? 

 

You believe you know more than trained, qualified, experienced doctors...... from things you watched on You Tube? 

 

And you are giving advice to people with depression not to seek medical help and just look on Google for a natural home remedy? 

 

Seriously.......? 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2023 by jak2002003

[bbko]

A bunch of soft mental types whining about how sad they are/were...boo hoo.

I'm sorry if the world doesn't cry with you and say "Awwwwee, there there little boy/girl".

 

Being sad is a part of life, learn to not dwell on it.

[jak2002003]

2 minutes ago, bbko said:

A bunch of soft mental types whining about how sad they are/were...boo hoo.

I'm sorry if the world doesn't cry with you and say "Awwwwee, there there little boy/girl".

 

Being sad is a part of life, learn to not dwell on it.

You clearly do not understand the difference between feeling sad and the medical condition of clinical depression.. 

 

Perhaps just do a quick bit or research before you post something like this.... so you don't sound ignorant and stupid. ????

[bbko]

1 minute ago, jak2002003 said:

You clearly do not understand the difference between feeling sad and the medical condition of clinical depression.. 

 

Perhaps just do a quick bit or research before you post something like this.... so you don't sound ignorant and stupid. ????

Boo hoo. You're sad, and I'm supposed to feel empathy? Be an adult and put on your big boy pants and stop crying/looking for a shoulder to cry on.  It's ok to be sad for a little bit, but once it's carried over into seeking sympathy, it's time to grow up.

[mokwit]

1 hour ago, bbko said:

Boo hoo. You're sad, and I'm supposed to feel empathy? Be an adult and put on your big boy pants and stop crying/looking for a shoulder to cry on.  It's ok to be sad for a little bit, but once it's carried over into seeking sympathy, it's time to grow up.

This thread is about depression. It is not about coping with life events.

 

4 hours ago, bbko said:

A bunch of soft mental types whining about how sad they are/were...boo hoo.

I'm sorry if the world doesn't cry with you and say "Awwwwee, there there little boy/girl".

 

Being sad is a part of life, learn to not dwell on it.

You are a very sad person.

[georgegeorgia]

There also seems to be a misconception promoted by testereone companies that depression is caused by low testosterone in middle age or older men , I find that BS 

 

I'm on TRT and probably I feel worse.( I was going to say "worser" but I always remember my old school teacher saying there's no such word????)

 

 

 

 

[LaosLover]

12 hours ago, bignok said:

 

I had clinical depression. 

 

 

Laughably made up statement. 

 

You may have had the bogan blues, but nothing you have said here indicates that you have suffered clinical depression.

 

Wanna walk that back?

 

[Shmo]

I get a bit of it too from time to time, western winter months mostly. It’s what I call “ paralysis of analysis”

 

Let me explain

Often in the course of the daytime, I need to do some thing, and I will very often put a list of things that have to be done to create conditions, prior to that thing to do, and I will analyze the situation to the point where it just becomes overwhelming and too much work to do just to think about it. 
Most of the time all those conditions require extreme amount of effort, and then I never get the actual task done that I was thinking about originally, occasionally leading to negative self talk.

After several of these things take place eventually I don’t want to do anything and I feel depressed. 

I have come to a place where I use morning motivational videos almost daily with a dozing, sleepy nap type thing in the mornings, I play the YouTube meditations from Dr. Joe Dispenza, and frankly the whole practice and awareness of Epigenetics has made a huge difference in my life. 
I’ve often referred to the black dog as a swirling, sucking vortex of despair, and I’ve spent a few years in the 90s taking medication’s and being non-functional from that. 

those morning meditations changed my life, change the direction of my goals, and I suffer from the black dog much less as a result. I wish you a speedy recovery from this current episode. 

[fredwiggy]

5 hours ago, bbko said:

Boo hoo. You're sad, and I'm supposed to feel empathy? Be an adult and put on your big boy pants and stop crying/looking for a shoulder to cry on.  It's ok to be sad for a little bit, but once it's carried over into seeking sympathy, it's time to grow up.

You are supposed to feel empathy. That means you can put yourself in other's shoes and maybe understand what they're going through, then comment in a positive way. The opposite of an empath is a narcissist. Someone who believes they are always right, when in reality they are usually wrong, hiding behind a facade of superiority when in reality they have very low self esteem, but have to put others down to feel better. If you aren't this narcissist, you have absolutely no knowledge on the subject and shouldn't comment, because it isn't helping anyone. People who don't feel sad are emotionless, uncaring individuals that have been robbed of these emotions from childhood, by dominating abusive and or neglective parents who said the same thing to their children. "Stop crying you little baby". Teaches the child to become an emotionless narcissist themselves. The same goes for people who say men shouldn't cry. That also shows they can't feel for others. This world has way too many "alpha" jerks masquerading as men, and sadly many as leaders, who are only in the game for power and control. If you don't understand the definition of depression, try researching to gain knowledge about what a person goes through with this illness, unless of course that's beneath you, in which case it's a dead issue.

[fredwiggy]

10 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

There also seems to be a misconception promoted by testereone companies that depression is caused by low testosterone in middle age or older men , I find that BS 

 

I'm on TRT and probably I feel worse.( I was going to say "worser" but I always remember my old school teacher saying there's no such word????)

 

 

Best to find a qualified doctor and tell him everything. They do have some here. Only way is to let it all out and hope he (she) has enough knowledge on the subject to treat you properly. From what I've read, you have Anhedonia, which is an effect of depression, but not always. Your past history will tell a lot more.

 

 

[Lacessit]

13 hours ago, bignok said:

Tried that. Has a mild calming effect. Nothing more.

Given the hyperactivity you display in posting, I'm surprised it had any effect at all.

[Hummin]

49 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

There also seems to be a misconception promoted by testereone companies that depression is caused by low testosterone in middle age or older men , I find that BS 

 

I'm on TRT and probably I feel worse.( I was going to say "worser" but I always remember my old school teacher saying there's no such word????)

 

 

 

 

If low testosterone is the reason to your depression it can help, but trt can have side effects if not managed properly, so better check with some specialists, and not just a dr.

 

If only taking trt, and do not eat well and healthy, get enough quality sleep, and enough exercise, it might not give you the results you want. 

 

No matter what medication or specialists it will always take self help and effort to make a change.

 

Not forget willing to make changes. 

Edited August 31, 2023 by Hummin

[LaosLover]

16 hours ago, bignok said:

Nonsense. I cured myself. I found that natural supplement via google not a doctor. Drs are just drug dealers.

What's the term for alternative medicine that has actually been proven to work -even a little bit?

 

Uh, I believe the term is just plain ol' Medicine.

 

The alternative-prefix is solely for the gullible.

[Hummin]

29 minutes ago, LaosLover said:

What's the term for alternative medicine that has actually been proven to work -even a little bit?

 

Uh, I believe the term is just plain ol' Medicine.

 

The alternative-prefix is solely for the gullible.

Many things can work against depression that is not medical medicine, and I also believe in the placebo effect. But most important to prevent depression is what you eat, what you do, and not do, what you think. 

 

And also know, depression will ease at a time and you have another chance to do the right things before the next one.

[Hummin]

Just now, Hummin said:

Many things can work against depression that is not medical medicine, and I also believe in the placebo effect. But most important to prevent depression is what you eat, what you do, and not do, what you think. 

 

And also know, depression will ease at a time and you have another chance to do the right things before the next one.

I also said no to medicine treatment, even the pushed hard on me to accept. Finely knowing what I struggled with, was a relief, and I could gather tools to work with to prevent the worst downfalls. 

[LaosLover]

If you want to jump out of window (6 effing times, no less) and you're pinning your future survival on zinc tablets, you should def only ever book a room on the ground floor.

[LaosLover]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 can work

This is the squishy language of alternative medicine losers, liars, and dimwits.

 

What about the Power of Prayer? I'll bet that can work too.

[fredwiggy]

31 minutes ago, LaosLover said:

This is the squishy language of alternative medicine losers, liars, and dimwits.

 

What about the Power of Prayer? I'll bet that can work too.

I pray that people suffering from this hideous disease will be strong and do what they can to make their lives better. That they will find the best doctors and surround themselves with positive friends and leave behind the toxic ones who may be exacerbating their illness with negative thinking. It seems that God answers some prayers but this is a big one that could help mankind, so I hope he's listening .If not this time, at least they know someone understands that this isn't something they did wrong. It just happens. There is hope, but they have to take the first step.

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, LaosLover said:

If you want to jump out of window (6 effing times, no less) and you're pinning your future survival on zinc tablets, you should def only ever book a room on the ground floor.

In the critical phases placebo will not work, and professional help and medication needed.

 

Not every depression leads to acute suicidal behavior. Suicidal thoughts yes, but not necessarily critacal for impulsive action.

 

To be true, I have been more calculating suicidal outside my worst episodes. When depression hits you, you are not avle to do anything, else than just observe time passing by.