Gun owners: It's time for us to stand up against the Second Amendment death culture

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I had a conservative friend who had a gun and his kid was playing with it and accidentally shot him. Another conservative person I heard about had a son who stole his gun and took it to a school where he killed many kids.

I had a friend whose son joy rode his car and ran someone over. So using your logic, let's ban cars.

 

Nah, I understand why a left wing totalitarian government wants to take away the guns of the people they are trying to rule, but it won't happen. And shouldn't happen. The state has too much power already. The police in the US are already out of control on massive power trips. 

 

Hang onto your guns America. You never know when you might need them.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I had a friend whose son joy rode his car and ran someone over. So using your logic, let's ban cars.

 

Nah, I understand why a left wing totalitarian government wants to take away the guns of the people they are trying to rule, but it won't happen. And shouldn't happen. The state has too much power already. The police in the US are already out of control on massive power trips. 

 

Hang onto your guns America. You never know when you might need them.

Always good to read such ill informed nonsense and know the person who wrote it doesn’t get to ever vote on the matter.

 

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[novacova]

28 minutes ago, stoner said:

did you come up with all of this on your very own ? 

 

 

Actually no, it’s inspired by single minded zombie leftist idiotic logic and nonsense posted on this thread. 

[bendejo]

Somebody's gonna shoot that boy.

I'm sure there are MAGA-philes out there sending him threats at this moment.  All for love of the country they want to tear down, of course.

 

[KhunLA]

If in the USA ... i'd have firearm, and carry, legally, concealed permit if required, as I did the 25 yrs I did live there.   Why:

 

"The Crime Clock represents the annual ratio of crime to fixed time intervals.) A violent crime was committed every 26.3 seconds. A murder occurred every 32.1 minutes, a rape every 3.8 minutes, a robbery every 2.0 minutes, and an aggravated assault every 38.5 seconds."  

 

... nuff said

 

If you want to call and wait for the police to respond/take a report, that's your right.  Don't interfere with my right to defend me & mine. 

 

Report being a victim, if still alive, or prevent being a victim.  UP2U

Edited September 6, 2023 by KhunLA

[Walker88]

The 'right to bear arms' is not unlimited. It would be well within the power and authority of Congress to ban the sale and possession of AR-15s and the like. Though I can afford it, I cannot own an A-10 Warthog with a GAU-8 nosegun that fires depleted U-238 bullets, despite how effective it would be at 'home security'. Neither Jeff Bezos nor Elon Musk, despite being able to afford it, could not commission and control their own Carrier Group, or have a Trident Sub with missiles firing multiple nuke warheads. Nobody can own a drone firing the modified Hellfire "Flying Ginsu" that turned Ayman al-Zawahiri into mince meat.

 

The 2nd Amendment was penned under entirely different circumstances than today. Standing armies---like the Brits---were hardly superior to a 'well-armed militia'. That is not the case today. A bunch of chubby trumpers with AR-15s would be no match to the 101st Airborne, so the 'battle against tyranny' has an obvious winner.

 

The Founders could not conceive of a readily available weapon like the AR-15. With its typical 30-rd mag, it fires (usually) a 55 grain round with a muzzle velocity of 3200 feet per second. A user can likely run through 3-4 mags in under two minutes, provided the barrel doesn't heat up too much. A shooter like Stephen Paddock, understanding the 'problem' of an over-heated barrel, toted 14 AR-15s into his hotel room in Las Vegas, so that he could keep killing.

 

An AR-15 has no possible use except killing and killing quickly. It is effectively a weapon of war. While not fully automatic, it is still as effective as the weapons soldiers used in Iraq and Afghanistan, since soldiers do not usually have their weapons set on full auto.

 

An American can buy as many AR-15s as his wealth or credit allows. He can walk into a gun show and leave with 100 or more AR-15s and tens of thousands of rounds of ammo. An American can even buy a .50 cal sniper rifle, like a Barrett M82A1, whose hitting power from 2000 yards is greater than Dirty Harry's .44 Magnum from point blank range. Home security?

 

Even an AR-15 has more hitting power than a 9mm or a .45ACP handgun, despite those handguns having a much heavier round (anywhere from 124 grain to 230 grain), because the muzzle velocity is so much higher, and E=mc^2 (so velocity is squared).

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Always good to read such ill informed nonsense and know the person who wrote it doesn’t get to ever vote on the matter.

 

 

Well you're not really big on Democracy are you...

 

"People's vote" anyone?

[2baht]

4 minutes ago, novacova said:

Actually no, it’s inspired by single minded zombie leftist idiotic logic and nonsense posted on this thread. 

Your way or the highway, right nc? ????

[2baht]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

An AR-15 has no possible use except killing and killing quickly. It is effectively a weapon of war.

.....................and America is at war with..........................................America! ???? 

[stoner]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Always good to read such ill informed nonsense and know the person who wrote it doesn’t get to ever vote on the matter.

 

 

what specifically is so ill informed about that post ? 

[stoner]

Just now, 2baht said:

.....................and America is at war with..........................................America! ???? 

this is america....i got a strap...i gotta carry it. 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Well you're not really big on Democracy are you...

 

"People's vote" anyone?

I’m very ‘big on democracy’.

 

Citizens vote.

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I do ‘dig democracy’.

 

Citizens vote.

 

Fortunately, even if the "people's vote" had happened you would never had a vote on the matter.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Fortunately, even if the "people's vote" had happened you would never had a vote on the matter.

According to joint polls published by CNN and the SSRS Institute: A majority of Americans support stricter gun control law; and 64% of Americans support stricter gun control laws, while 36% oppose it.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_on_gun_control_in_the_United_States

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, stoner said:

what specifically is so ill informed about that post ? 

‘Leftwing totalitarian government’

 

’Rule’

 

And the whole idea that guns are the means to control Government.

[stoner]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Leftwing totalitarian government’

 

’Rule’

 

And the whole idea that guns are the means to control Government.

that is your own personal opinion nothing more. just like the op. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Fortunately, even if the "people's vote" had happened you would never had a vote on the matter.

I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion.

 

It’s very clearly baseless as you have zero basis on which to draw it. 

[Walker88]

Some pimple-faced kid took his AR-15 and drove hundreds of miles to a scene of 1st Amendment protest.

 

He ended up killing 3 people. He got off, when he should have gotten the electric chair.

 

He claims he drove all that way to 'help the police', who were likely much better trained and equipped than that high school punk. He claimed 'self-defense' when he murdered 3 people.

 

Now that is America, the regular scene of deadly gun violence. Had I been a peaceful protester there, and saw some punk coming at me with an AR-15, I would not have thought "he's just a concerned citizen here to help the police". I would have thought he's another lunatic out to kill. I would have attacked him, if I could not escape. Nobody knows if those he killed were violent protesters or just people exercising the right penned BEFORE the 2nd Amendment, who saw a crazed gunman threatening innocents. Nobody can ask them, because they're dead, all because some punk wanted to play act.

 

By the way, if the punk was Black, the cops would have gunned him down.

 

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Walker88

[MichaelHunt]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Shame about everyone who gets killed while the insurrectionists wait for the government to become totalitarian.

It is indeed a shame. But the proper comparison is not between those people who were killed while waiting for the government to become totalitarian and the few who might have been killed if guns were not available. The correct comparison is between the relatively few who have been killed while waiting for the government to become totalitarian, and the tens of millions who would be killed should the government become totalitarian. Just look at what happened to the unarmed Russians, and the Chinese, and the Cambodians, etc.

[stoner]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

He ended up killing 3 people. He got off, when he should have gotten the electric chair.

you mean he went through the justice system and was found not guilty by a court of law. did the DA follow up with an appeal or was it let be after that ? 

 

are you implying there was corruption or misdealing ? baseless conspiracy theories. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, MichaelHunt said:

It is indeed a shame. But the proper comparison is not between those people who were killed while waiting for the government to become totalitarian and the few who might have been killed if guns were not available. The correct comparison is between the relatively few who have been killed while waiting for the government to become totalitarian, and the tens of millions who would be killed should the government become totalitarian. Just look at what happened to the unarmed Russians, and the Chinese, and the Cambodians, etc.

Except it’s the rightwing election deniers who are waving all the guns around in support of a guy who doesn’t submit to the voters choice.

 

 

 

 

[MichaelHunt]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

According to joint polls published by CNN and the SSRS Institute: A majority of Americans support stricter gun control law; and 64% of Americans support stricter gun control laws, while 36% oppose it.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_on_gun_control_in_the_United_States

You are breaking the rules of this forum by quoting a pseudo-scientific, conspiracy theory source.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, stoner said:

you mean he went through the justice system and was found not guilty by a court of law. did the DA follow up with an appeal or was it let be after that ? 

 

are you implying there was corruption or misdealing ? baseless conspiracy theories. 

The judges interventions played their part.

[MichaelHunt]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except it’s the rightwing election deniers who are waving all the guns around in support of a guy who doesn’t submit to the voters choice.

 

 

 

 

You know as well as I do that Trump beat Biden in a landslide in the last election, you "obvious evidence denier".

[Rimmer]

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[stoner]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The judges interventions played their part.

give it up. the justice system went through the process and because it does not fit the narrative certain political mindsets get triggered. 

 

for comparison. the biden family saga is met with the exact same but opposite reaction as is made here. in that case there could never ever be anything but the rule of law applied. 

 

quite telling. 

[Tug]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Is it so hard to believe that, in a country that's probably more diverse than all of Europe combined, there are some factions that want us to give up our cars, open up our extra rooms to homeless strangers, and eat bugs?  And other factions that are not going to let that happen... 

 

May as well say, "So, Europe, the enemy is..... Europeans".

 

Dear lord we’re did you rear this nonsense I have a feeling it’s on enuendo news?lol 

50 minutes ago, novacova said:

Good grief, some have no clue of what it is they’re talking about. .44 magnum isn’t for rabbits, it’s for bears and mountain lions, you know…the critters with big teeth and claws. A gun is a security device. I had a liberal minded friend who refused to carry a sidearm and it got him killed by a grizzly bear. So please go for a walk in the northern mountains of Montana Idaho Washington or Wyoming for a week without a firearm and report back when you’re done. Again, the thread is full of such reactionary emotional rhetorical hyperbole most likely from the mental onslaught programming by the hysterics of the media. 

Do you hike  there sounds wonderful and a fire arm is appropriate I think the thread is more about semi auto long guns.I have a Glock for home defense my carbine had a date with my chop saw after parkland nobody needs an ar 15 it’s indeed a different world from the 1780s I still have my 30 ot6 and shot gun I don’t see the need for a war weapon.I’ve never felt so paranoid to feel the need to carry when out and about just not nessary imo and kinda ridiculous 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, stoner said:

give it up. the justice system went through the process and because it does not fit the narrative certain political mindsets get triggered. 

 

for comparison. the biden family saga is met with the exact same but opposite reaction as is made here. in that case there could never ever be anything but the rule of law applied. 

 

quite telling. 

Nothing to do with any Biden family

 

Now what was it you were saying 

about ‘not fitting the narrative certain political mindsets getting triggered’?

 

 

[KhunLA]

And here I thought the thread was about the 2nd Amendment & firearms, not trump.

 

Must be getting senile, I forgot, every thread is about trump with some people.

[stoner]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Nothing to do with any Biden family

 

Now what was it you were saying 

about ‘not fitting the narrative certain political mindsets getting triggered’?

 

 

nice deflection.