Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted September 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, JonnyF said: I think it's just for accuracy. If the report just said "women" the reader would assume they were biological women, which they were not. Same as if the "women" were foreign it would have been mentioned because it adds a layer to the story which anyone who has lived here for any period of time would know may have had an impact on the guy's reaction to them. A guy like that is going to attack anyone.... if its girls or boys.... the only time an utterl ayhole like this would not attack someone when triggered is if that person (or two people) are significantly larger in size or in a larger group. If this were two guys (smaller or similar size) the ayhole would have attacked them. If this were two girls, the ayhole would have attacked them. This is just a story of an utter ayhole attacking someone who triggered him. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, FruitPudding said: I'd have reported them as trans men or ladyboys, personally. Reporting them as trans men would have been incredibly stupid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 If this story were slightly different and instead of two trans-people (see what I did there !), it were two Westerners... ... Would we have posters suggesting the attack only occurred because the two victims were Westerners ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said: If this story were slightly different and instead of two trans-people (see what I did there !), it were two Westerners... ... Would we have posters suggesting the attack only occurred because the two victims were Westerners ? No but it definitely would have been reported that they were foreign. Also stop lying. Nobody said it was because they were trans. I said it might have aggravated it and I stand by that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: A guy like that is going to attack anyone.... if its girls or boys.... the only time an utterl ayhole like this would not attack someone when triggered is if that person (or two people) are significantly larger in size or in a larger group. If this were two guys (smaller or similar size) the ayhole would have attacked them. If this were two girls, the ayhole would have attacked them. This is just a story of an utter ayhole attacking someone who triggered him. I'm not so sure. Trans Women in Thailand (Ladyboys) do tend to have a certain "way" about them, especially when there is more than one of them together. It is quite possible that the way they asked the guy to be quiet was different to the way a biological female might ask them. It also may have affected the way he reacted to them compared to let's say a young pretty biological female doing the same thing. I think it's relevant to the story, it certainly gives me a better idea of what happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RichardColeman Posted September 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: Intolerant people might say call them men but they were presenting as trans so the respectful thing to do is to accurately describe that. They did that. If they have a penis they ARE men - end of story. You want to put a dress on then fine, wear one, I'd fully support you doing it. But you trying to tell me that my understanding of the biological difference between men and women should be changed because one day a man wants to be called a women,then you can one ! Gender dismorphia is real, but that does not mean your sense of reality is rightfully changing the biological truth of your own body ! Biology is not tolerance - its reality ! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitPudding Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Reporting them as trans men would have been incredibly stupid. Why? It makes sense to me. They're men who are in a trans state. Similar to ladyboy. They are boy/male, but act like a lady. We don't call them 'man ladies.' That would be stupid an akin to 'trans women' Edited September 12, 2023 by FruitPudding 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 minute ago, RichardColeman said: If they have a penis they ARE men - end of story. You want to put a dress on then fine, wear one, I'd fully support you doing it. But you trying to tell me that my understanding of the biological difference between men and women should be changed because one day a man wants to be called a women,then you can one ! Gender dismorphia is real, but that does not mean your sense of reality is rightfully changing the biological truth of your own body ! Biology is not tolerance - its reality ! So you think they should have reported as men. They had to say something in the article. I think most people seeing their picture would think another term should have been used though. So agree to disagree. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted September 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, FruitPudding said: Why? It makes sense to me. They men who are in a trans state. Similar to ladyboy. They are boy/male, but act like a lady. We don't call them 'man ladies.' That would be stupid an akin to 'trans women' It's not my role to educate you on basic stuff. So I'll leave it at that. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitPudding Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, JonnyF said: I think it's relevant to the story, it certainly gives me a better idea of what happened. Not at all. The only significance is that he didn't violently attack actual real women (females), which society strongly believes is bad. I think the article points out the trans thing to highlight the fact that he attacked biological men, which is generally considered a lesser offence by society. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: If this story were slightly different and instead of two trans-people (see what I did there !), it were two Westerners... ... Would we have posters suggesting the attack only occurred because the two victims were Westerners ? No, but let's say the story was that 2 very large foreign females (named Skylar and Tanner) from Nashville USA who were heavily tattooed had asked him to be quiet, I would want to know that information because it gives me some insight into the reaction of the Thai guy. It doesn't mean I blame them. I just think it's relevant to the story. It adds perspective compared to if it was a local Thai woman. Of course it "shouldn't" change his reaction, but it would be quite possible that it did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 minute ago, FruitPudding said: Not at all. The only significance is that he didn't violently attack actual real women (females), which society strongly believes is bad. I think the article points out the trans thing to highlight the fact that he attacked biological men, which is generally considered a lesser offence by society. Nah. Again they needed to say men, women, or something else. They understandably went with something else as that fit the situation best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FruitPudding Posted September 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jingthing said: It's not my role to educate you on basic stuff. So I'll leave it at that. Okay, so I guess we won't be hearing from you on how intolerant we are from now on then? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, FruitPudding said: Not at all. The only significance is that he didn't violently attack actual real women (females), which society strongly believes is bad. I think the article points out the trans thing to highlight the fact that he attacked biological men, which is generally considered a lesser offence by society. Either way, it is relevant to the story and therefore correct that it was mentioned. Actually from the picture it looks like a Tom and her girlfriend, but the potential mis-reporting is another subject. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Just now, FruitPudding said: Okay, so I guess we won't be hearing from you on how intolerant we are from now on then? Willful ignorance is not usually charming. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted September 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2023 I also hate when people talk too much in the cinema. It's just annoying. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said: I also hate when people talk too much in the cinema. It's just annoying. Might be best to zip your pie hole about it though in light of this news story. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Some off topic posts and replies in violation of our Community Standards have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: Trans women. If you don't know what that means, look it up. Many don't seem to get such basic things. I have very little interest in other peoples gender, sexuality or the clothes they wear or what they call themselves or what letter they are or whether they are curious about anything or not. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Just now, Nick Carter icp said: I have very little interest in other peoples gender, sexuality or the clothes they wear or what they call themselves or what letter they are or whether they are curious about anything or not. But you're posting here on that topic. Velly interesting. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, JonnyF said: No, but let's say the story was that 2 very large foreign females (named Skylar and Tanner) from Nashville USA who were heavily tattooed had asked him to be quiet, I would want to know that information because it gives me some insight into the reaction of the Thai guy. It doesn't mean I blame them. I just think it's relevant to the story. It adds perspective compared to if it was a local Thai woman. Of course it "shouldn't" change his reaction, but it would be quite possible that it did. IF it were 2 very large 'anyones' he wouldn't have reacted !!!.... So while, knowing such information can allow us to make our own interpretation of any possible underlying reasons for an attack... it also generates a 'red-herring' where people can jump on a bandwagon and shoe-horn the issue into something else to suit their agenda..... These two were not attacked becasue they were trans... they were attacked because they caused an unhinged d-head to lose face. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish star Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 hours ago, JeffersLos said: Don't go to the cinema in China. Why anyone goes there anyways with a chance of being Detained is beyond me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted September 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jingthing said: 9 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: I also hate when people talk too much in the cinema. It's just annoying. Might be best to zip your pie hole about it though in light of this news story. Why???.... Talking too much in the cinema is what happened, it's the tigger for the attack. The fact that the two were attacked are trans is also your trigger to make this an issue about gender identity and bigotry. IF someone identifying as any of LGBTQIA+ won the lottery in an empty room, I'm sure you'd find some way of making them out to be a victim.... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted September 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jingthing said: But you're posting here on that topic. Velly interesting. I am here because of etiquette in cinemas and peoples behaviour in cinemas ans whether talking through movies is the norm these days................................I am not bothered about what clothes the people were wearing 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: IF it were 2 very large 'anyones' he wouldn't have reacted !!!.... So while, knowing such information can allow us to make our own interpretation of any possible underlying reasons for an attack... it also generates a 'red-herring' where people can jump on a bandwagon and shoe-horn the issue into something else to suit their agenda..... These two were not attacked becasue they were trans... they were attacked because they caused an unhinged d-head to lose face. When I said "large" I actually meant "fat". I was doing my best to be PC but unfortunately that leads to having to use inaccurate language. I don't think we can really conclude his reasons, only he knows that. Maybe a combination of a few things, although having had a few conversations with Thai ladyboys I don't believe it's beyond the realms of possibility that they "may" have been less than polite/discreet in their request for him to stop talking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, JonnyF said: When I said "large" I actually meant "fat". I was doing my best to be PC but unfortunately that leads to having to use inaccurate language. I don't think we can really conclude his reasons, only he knows that. Maybe a combination of a few things, although having had a few conversations with Thai ladyboys I don't believe it's beyond the realms of possibility that they "may" have been less than polite/discreet in their request for him to stop talking. Where did you speak with those ladyboys and what work did they do ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwhiteandblue Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 The old 'fragile Thai male ego' rears its ugly head again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said: Where did you speak with those ladyboys and what work did they do ? I've been here 17 years so I've come across quite a few. Some I worked with (manufacturing), some were friends of friends, some serve me in restaurants/711, some in the bar areas. Why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, JonnyF said: I've been here 17 years so I've come across quite a few. Some I worked with (manufacturing), some were friends of friends, some serve me in restaurants/711, some in the bar areas. Why? People who work in the sex industry are usually more brash and direct and vociferous , rather than those who don't work in the sex industry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: People who work in the sex industry are usually more brash and direct and vociferous , rather than those who don't work in the sex industry True. But as you can see from my post, many of them were not involved in the sex industry. Not all transgenders are sex workers you know? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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