'The Country Was Thriving': Joe Rogan Says That 'More Things Were Getting Done' When Donald Trump Was President — Unemployment Was Down, Regulations Relaxed. Is He Right?

[Tug]

5 hours ago, impulse said:

Let's see... 

 

Filling the car was relatively affordable, the border was secure, Russia was behaving, I could afford the nicer cuts of beef, the strategic petroleum reserve was pretty full, and.. and...

 

But there were mean tweets...

 

 

The glut caused by the pandemic glutted the market for fuel heck they couldn’t even find space to store it separating children from their parents is wrong and yes BOTH PARTIES need to legislate a solution to the border problem sorry but trump was a cancer that will take decades to recover from if we can

[bendejo]

Who?

 

 

[Time Traveller]

21 hours ago, ozimoron said:

What Trump was mostly getting done as President was fraud.

 

In one example, Amer noted how Trump repeatedly valued his South Florida oceanside estate of Mar-a-Lago at 28 times more than the official Palm Beach County government property appraiser. A chart displayed in the courtroom showed how the former president’s winter home was valued by the county in 2018 at $25 million—while the real estate mogul set the value at $714 million.

In another example, the AG’s office pointed out how the Trumps’ simply slapped on a 30% “branHod premHoium” at Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, Florida. They also raised the theoretical purchase price of that business enterprise by tacking on $41 million in club memberships—even though those signups are reimbursable and under certain circumstances would have to be paid back.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tries-to-strike-down-new-york-ag-case-before-it-starts

How long have you lived in America?   Or a better question is, have you ever even been to America?

I can definitely say things were MUCH better under Trump. Less crime, less homeless, lower gas prices, lower food prices, lower unemployment.   No new wars.

 

Who cares what the guy's mansion is worth?  How is that relevant to his role as President?

And for what it's worth, depending upon the state, the county tax appraisal/assessment of property is often only a fraction of what the market value of the property is. (You didn't even know that?)  For my own home, the assessment for the county tax purposes is less than a quarter of the market value.     

 

You're selectively choosing things that the media has told you as fact that are completely irrelevant to  his performance simple because you don't like Trump.

Edited September 23, 2023 by Time Traveller

[impulse]

4 hours ago, Tug said:

The glut caused by the pandemic glutted the market for fuel heck they couldn’t even find space to store it separating children from their parents is wrong and yes BOTH PARTIES need to legislate a solution to the border problem sorry but trump was a cancer that will take decades to recover from if we can

That explains the reasonable gas prices.  How about beef prices, and why did Putin take Crimea under Obama and the Donbas under Biden, but crickets under Trump? 

 

What's going to take decades to recover from is 8 million (and counting) illegal border crossers and the prospect of WW3.

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, impulse said:

That explains the reasonable gas prices.  How about beef prices, and why did Putin take Crimea under Obama and the Donbas under Biden, but crickets under Trump? 

 

What's going to take decades to recover from is 8 million (and counting) illegal border crossers and the prospect of WW3.

 

Agree, Russia should never have invaded Ukraine.

[impulse]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Agree, Russia should never have invaded Ukraine.

But he didn't do it when Trump was at the helm.  Just Obama and ObamaJr Biden.

 

And that's what this thread is about...  Was the USA better off under Trump?  No risk of WW3 under Trump.  That alone answers the OP question.

 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

But he didn't do it when Trump was at the helm.  Just Obama and ObamaJr Biden.

 

And that's what this thread is about...  Was the USA better off under Trump?  No risk of WW3 under Trump.  That alone answers the OP question.

 

How long do you think it took Putin to mobilize for that 2020 invasion? Putin anticipated that Trump would get a second term and had committed himself long before the election was lost. Putin l;aunched that invasion BECAUSE he thought Trump would destroy NATO for him and veto help for Ukraine. Trump had form in that direction.

Edited September 23, 2023 by ozimoron

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

How long do you think it took Putin to mobilize for that 2020 invasion? Putin anticipated that Trump would get a second term and had committed himself long before the election was lost. Putin l;aunched that invasion BECAUSE he thought Trump would destroy NATO for him and veto help for Ukraine. Trump had form in that direction.

I'm not going to guess at motives or schedules.  I'm just pointing out that Putin behaved pretty reasonably under Trump.  Full stop.  So, no risk of WW3 while Trump was at the helm.  That alone makes his tenure better for the entire world than Obama's or Biden's.

 

[ozimoron]

12 minutes ago, impulse said:

I'm not going to guess at motives or schedules.  I'm just pointing out that Putin behaved pretty reasonably under Trump.  Full stop.  So, no risk of WW3 while Trump was at the helm.  That alone makes his tenure better for the entire world than Obama's or Biden's.

 

He mobilized for an invasion. That isn't acting reasonably under anyone's definition. You want to deny this fact but not want to speculate on it? That is takes many months to prepare for an invasion is common knowledge. Are you sure you're qualified to engage in this debate?

 

Do you think that Obama and Biden draw out Putin's worst instincts?

Edited September 24, 2023 by ozimoron

[Time Traveller]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

He mobilized for an invasion. That isn't acting reasonably under anyone's definition. You want to deny this fact but not want to speculate on it? That is takes many months to prepare for an invasion is common knowledge. Are you sure you're qualified to engage in this debate?

 

Do you think that Obama and Biden draw out Putin's worst instincts?

No he didn't.  It was in 2022.  Long after Trump left office.  Stop lying

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Time Traveller said:

No he didn't.  It was in 2022.  Long after Trump left office.  Stop lying

Imagining that Trump prevented Putin from invading Ukraine is farcical.

[impulse]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

He mobilized for an invasion. That isn't acting reasonably under anyone's definition. You want to deny this fact but not want to speculate on it? That is takes many months to prepare for an invasion is common knowledge. Are you sure you're qualified to engage in this debate?

 

Do you think that Obama and Biden draw out Putin's worst instincts?

Yup.  It takes months to mobilize.  And Putin invaded 13 months after Biden took the reins.   Plenty of time after Trump left.

 

Are you sure you're qualified to engage in a debate about quality of life in a country that you've never set foot in?

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

Yup.  It takes months to mobilize.  And Putin invaded 13 months after Biden took the reins.   Plenty of time after Trump left.

 

Are you sure you're qualified to engage in a debate about quality of life in a country that you've never set foot in?

It would take over a year to mobilize for that invasion.

 

But beyond personality, there’s a far more likely and logical explanation if you look at policy alignment between Russia and America during the two administrations: With Trump in office, Putin was already getting what he wanted. The election changed all that.

Consider where Trump and Biden stand on three key issue areas the Kremlin cares deeply about: NATO, political leadership in Ukraine and undermining democracy.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/03/02/putin-invade-ukraine-trump-00012897

 

No, Trump would not have stopped Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

 

For over a decade, Putin has made clear that he views the collapse of the Soviet Union as the “greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.” As a former KGB intelligence officer, Putin laments the demise of the Soviet empire and is deeply consumed by a desire to restore Russia to some semblance of its former greatness. Indeed, the former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency and Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta, declared that “Putin’s main interest is to try to restore the old Soviet Union.”

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/596662-no-trump-would-not-have-stopped-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/

Edited September 24, 2023 by ozimoron

[impulse]

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

No, Trump would not have stopped Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

Oh, but he did. 

 

Pontificate all you want.  But Putin behaved when Trump was at the helm.  Now (and under Obama), he smells weakness.

 

[impulse]

10 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

A hard to pin down guy in standard political terms. Leans libertarian, suppports drug legalization, endorsed Tulsi Gabbard in the 2020 election, a 2nd Amendment guy who also is in favor of universal health care.   

 

Also not afraid to talk to anyone on his show, a quality that more journalists should emulate.

What I love about Rogan is that he asks a question, then listens.  He's one of the very few that realize that he invited his guests (and people tune in) to hear what they have to say, and not listen to himself talk.

 

[bignok]

Rogan has lived a life. The triggered lefties done nothing except complain. 

 

In 10 years time, still complaining.

[bignok]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

What I love about Rogan is that he asks a question, then listens.  He's one of the very few that realize that he invited his guests (and people tune in) to hear what they have to say, and not listen to himself talk.

 

Yes he is great. Better than 99% of interviewers. If he was a Biden fan the lefties would love him. 

[OneMoreFarang]

I have to admit, I don't know if more things were done. 

In general Joe Rogan is well informed and intelligent. And he is not on one side of American politics.

 

Obviously it's good when politicians get things done. But is that reason enough to accept an a$hole as president? Would you want to be represented by that guy? 

It seems Americans don't care much what the rest of the world thinks about them. But Trump was about the worst what they could do internationally to represent America and Americans. 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I have to admit, I don't know if more things were done. 

In general Joe Rogan is well informed and intelligent. And he is not on one side of American politics.

 

Obviously it's good when politicians get things done. But is that reason enough to accept an a$hole as president? Would you want to be represented by that guy? 

It seems Americans don't care much what the rest of the world thinks about them. But Trump was about the worst what they could do internationally to represent America and Americans. 

He might seem to you to be apolitical but his message is decidedly right wing. He appeals to way more people on the right than the left.

[Hummin]

4 years is all he needed to ruin Obamas work, and steal the good work, for then ruin it! 

 

No wonder the country going down the drain

[OneMoreFarang]

23 hours ago, 2baht said:

Oh <deleted> Joe, the man's a moron, did you consume disinfectant and somehow take fluorescent light internally, spare us Joe, he's an idiot BS'er consumed with his own importance! Bathrooms full of classified documents, an insurrection on Capital Hill, the fool is dangerous!

It tells us a lot about you how you describe Joe Rogan. You might disagree with him, but he is certainly no moron or a fool.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It tells us a lot about you how you describe Joe Rogan. You might disagree with him, but he is certainly no moron or a fool.

He's both. Even worse.

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

He might seem to you to be apolitical but his message is decidedly right wing. He appeals to way more people on the right than the left.

Joe Roagen do have som people skills to have good conversations with a wide range of people, but he is all over the place, from serious science to aliens. 

 

 

[2baht]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It tells us a lot about you how you describe Joe Rogan. You might disagree with him, but he is certainly no moron or a fool.

The post refers to Trump as a fool! There is NO description of Joe Rogan, as far as I can tell!

[BE88]

Putin stated that Trump did more than sanctions against Russia when he was in power as well as against China and it was his start of the Cold War against China. During his reign he surrounded himself with the most militant pro-war collaborators, to say that he is the one who will not start the third world war is fallacious.

Neither JB nor DT are worthy of becoming the next president, it will be better for Americans to choose more capable people and not dead people who talk or evangelical preachers.

If I could vote, I would vote for peoples like Tulsi Goobard

Edited September 24, 2023 by BE88

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, PassportBro said:

Obama had eight years. It was totally unimpressive but he did drop a lot of bombs on poor people.

 

You're absolutely dilusional

He caught Bush's falling knife and single handedly saved America and the world from another depression. That was very impressive!

 

I suggest you read about the GFC and the recovery. Australia was one of the first to apply massive stimulus and our Treasurer was awarded Best Treasurer of the year by some renowned publication. Obama followed suit.

Edited September 24, 2023 by ozimoron

[2baht]

1 minute ago, PassportBro said:

Obama had eight years. It was totally unimpressive but he did drop a lot of bombs on poor people.

 

So did Nixon and the Bushes (big and little)! ????

[OneMoreFarang]

11 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Only the guy with possibly the most downloaded podcast in America, with 15 million subscribers and 3 BILLION views on Youtube.

 

A hard to pin down guy in standard political terms. Leans libertarian, suppports drug legalization, endorsed Tulsi Gabbard in the 2020 election, a 2nd Amendment guy who also is in favor of universal health care.   

 

Also not afraid to talk to anyone on his show, a quality that more journalists should emulate.

Thanks

I had to get to almost the end of the first page of this thread to read your informed comment.

It's sad that too many people are so one sided. Many politicians have bad and good sides, including the two top US party leaders. 

Why is it so important for some people to see only the bad side of the other guy? If he would be only bad, then nobody would vote for him. That doesn't mean I like Trump. I definitely don't like him. But that is no reason for me to accept that maybe he did also some good things. And Biden is old and senile - even if he is more likable than Trump. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

Thanks

I had to get to almost the end of the first page of this thread to read your informed comment.

It's sad that too many people are so one sided. Many politicians have bad and good sides, including the two top US party leaders. 

Why is it so important for some people to see only the bad side of the other guy? If he would be only bad, then nobody would vote for him. That doesn't mean I like Trump. I definitely don't like him. But that is no reason for me to accept that maybe he did also some good things. And Biden is old and senile - even if he is more likable than Trump. 

Yes, I remember your cult hero said there were good people on both sides. Some of those same people are now doing nearly 20 years or more.

[PassportBro]

Just now, 2baht said:

So did Nixon and the Bushes (big and little)! ????

Yes they did, but they were not Democrats. Anti war was a hallmark of the left.

 

War, every year I have been alive. You'd think people would be smart enough to realize but then Ukraine happens and all little cucks run to support that sordid regime. Well, it's over so we now get to laugh at Dems, Zelensky, Biden family. Oh, I guess they have all the money. Laugh is on us.

 

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