Transgenderism 'a mental health disorder'

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Eleftheros said:

What is truly insane is the blind defense of child mutilation - however rare you think it is - and the relentless efforts by the media and other vested interests to normalize the idea of "gender fluidity" to exploit vulnerable children into thinking that they can magically change sex by having their body parts chopped off.

It is sick and evil. As is anyone who supports it.

Some FACTS for you.

Don't melt.

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/10/ron-desantis/transition-related-surgery-limited-teens-not-young/

 

You know what's sick and evil here?

 

Your lies.

 

[Eleftheros]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Some FACTS for you.

Don't melt.

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/10/ron-desantis/transition-related-surgery-limited-teens-not-young/

 

You know what's sick and evil here?

 

Your lies.

 

I have no interest in self-styled "fact checkers" who deserve no more trust than whatever political party or agenda they serve. Citing them as an authority on anything represents a complete failure of critical thinking, whether deliberate or not.

 

There are many documented instances of confused children being mutilated for profit. There is the prominent case of Chloe Cole, a tragic girl who was put on puberty blockers at 13, mutilated through a double mastectomy at 15, and is now bravely throwing a light on the whole ghastly industry.

 

I just happen to believe the whole process is sick and evil, and if you disagree, well, that's your prerogative.

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

What is truly insane is the blind defense of child mutilation - however rare you think it is - and the relentless efforts by the media and other vested interests to normalize the idea of "gender fluidity" to exploit vulnerable children into thinking that they can magically change sex by having their body parts chopped off.

It is sick and evil. As is anyone who supports it.

Non of this was of the slightest concern to you until the Alt-Right switched from gay hating to transgender hating,

 

And you jumped across to the new line.

 

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[Eleftheros]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Non of this was if the slightest concern to you until the Alt-Right switched from gay hating to transgender hating,

 

And you jumped across to the new line.

You know nothing about me so the above post is pure drivel.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

I have no interest in self-styled "fact checkers" who deserve no more trust than whatever political party or agenda they serve. Citing them as an authority on anything represents a complete failure of critical thinking, whether deliberate or not.

 

There are many documented instances of confused children being mutilated for profit. There is the prominent case of Chloe Cole, a tragic girl who was put on puberty blockers at 13, mutilated through a double mastectomy at 15, and is now bravely throwing a light on the whole ghastly industry.

 

I just happen to believe the whole process is sick and evil, and if you disagree, well, that's your prerogative.

The we hope transgender hate fest is the invention of the Alt-Right.

 

Fact checkers are an inconvenience they’d rather you avoided.

 

You don’t have to do as you are being told.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Eleftheros said:

You know nothing about me so the above post is pure drivel.

I need know nothing more than the content of your posts.

 

 

[Eleftheros]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The we hope transgender hate fest is the invention of the Alt-Right.

 

Fact checkers are an inconvenience they’d rather you avoided.

 

You don’t have to do as you are being told.

More drivel. 

 

I don't even know what the "Alt-Right" is, though I'm guessing it's an American political term.

[Peabody]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What is truly insane is the blind defense of child mutilation

So should male circumcision be banned? Or is that a parental right? What about Jews. Genital mutilation is OK if your religion calls for it?

Edited October 1, 2023 by Peabody

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Peabody said:

So should male circumcision be banned? Or is that a parental right? 

ChatGPT might be able to answer that completely off topic question of yours.

[Eleftheros]

1 minute ago, Peabody said:

So should male circumcision be banned? Or is that a parental right? 

Male circumcision does not destroy the male body and prevent it from carrying out its normal functions.

[Peabody]

3 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

I don't even know what the "Alt-Right" is

Is ignorance your defense or lifestyle?

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

More drivel. 

 

I don't even know what the "Alt-Right" is, though I'm guessing it's an American political term.

You should read up on them, you are dancing to their tune.

[Peabody]

7 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

Male circumcision does not destroy the male body and prevent it from carrying out its normal functions.

Just checking what level of mutilation you decree to be OK.

[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

I use the adjective "mutilated" to describe castration, mastectomy and worse on the healthy bodies of confused children.

 

What adjective would you use?

I’d choose none because (one more time), it doesn’t happen. 
Let me try and put it in a way that even you might understand. 
Let’s imagine your child is diagnosed (by professionals who know what they are talking about) with schizophrenia. Your child requires fairly heavy duty drugs and eventually they require electric shock treatment. It’s very rare to impose that on children but in many instances it’s the only way and completely necessary. 
Are you denying your child essential treatment because YOU don’t understand it? Because it all sounds “a bit extreme “, because some politician has said it’s “not right”?

We are talking proper, diagnosed mental health issues and you are throwing in your opinion because you (an uneducated layman) don’t think it’s right. 
This is why we have professionals making these decisions, not keyboard warriors who think they know better. 

[FruitPudding]

2 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

There are many documented instances of confused children being mutilated for profit. There is the prominent case of Chloe Cole, a tragic girl who was put on puberty blockers at 13, mutilated through a double mastectomy at 15, and is now bravely throwing a light on the whole ghastly industry.

Totally sick and demented. 

 

But "The medical professionals know best," they say.

 

I wonder if extreme left wokies will be saying the same thing if/when the medical community stops "affirming" their gender ideology and instead start treating it as a mental illness. 

 

Will they be like, "The doctors are right, trans is a mental health issue," I wonder? ???? 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, FruitPudding said:

Totally sick and demented. 

 

But "The medical professionals know best," they say.

 

I wonder if extreme left wokies will be saying the same thing if/when the medical community stops "affirming" their gender ideology and instead start treating it as a mental illness. 

 

Will they be like, "The doctors are right, trans is a mental health issue," I wonder? ???? 

Nothing to do with extreme lefties.

 

Dreaming up scenarios to try and affirm your ‘lefty’ fixation isn’t helping your argument, whatever that happens to be.

[Eleftheros]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nothing to do with extreme lefties.

 

Dreaming up scenarios to try and affirm your ‘lefty’ fixation isn’t helping your argument, whatever that happens to be.

That's a bit rich, coming from someone who throws the term "Alt-Right" around at every opportunity.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Eleftheros said:

That's a bit rich, coming from someone who throws the term "Alt-Right" around at every opportunity.

Except the promotion of hate towards Transgenders is part of the Alt-Right culture wars.

 

 

[Eleftheros]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except the promotion of hate towards Transgenders is part of the Alt-Right culture wars.

 

I can see how you got to know so much about "fixation".....

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

I can see how you got to know so much about "fixation".....

Are you sure you were responding to the right post, the term ‘fixation’ doesn’t appear in the post you responded to.

 

Maybe you got fixated on it, who knows?!

[Peabody]

14 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

I don't even know what the "Alt-Right" is, though I'm guessing it's an American political term.

3 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

That's a bit rich, coming from someone who throws the term "Alt-Right" around at every opportunity.

Cool. Between yesterday and today, guess you edumacated yourself on "Alt-Right".

[Danderman123]

16 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

I have no interest in self-styled "fact checkers" who deserve no more trust than whatever political party or agenda they serve. Citing them as an authority on anything represents a complete failure of critical thinking, whether deliberate or not.

 

There are many documented instances of confused children being mutilated for profit. There is the prominent case of Chloe Cole, a tragic girl who was put on puberty blockers at 13, mutilated through a double mastectomy at 15, and is now bravely throwing a light on the whole ghastly industry.

 

I just happen to believe the whole process is sick and evil, and if you disagree, well, that's your prerogative.

I agree that children under 18 should not have such surgery, unless there is some potentially fatal issue.

 

But, my understanding is that such surgeries are rare.

Edited October 2, 2023 by Danderman123

[Eleftheros]

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I agree that children under 18 should not have such surgery, unless there is some potentially fatal issue.

What "potentially fatal issue" are you talking about? These are healthy children - or were, prior to surgery.

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

What "potentially fatal issue" are you talking about? These are healthy children - or were, prior to surgery.

Hang on a minute, I thought they were suffering a mental illness?

 

In which case how are they ‘healthy’?

 

 

 

[Eleftheros]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hang on a minute, I thought they were suffering a mental illness?

 

In which case how are they ‘healthy’?

 

 

 

They are physically healthy children. Given that, I'm asking the other poster what this "potentially fatal risk" is.

[Chomper Higgot]

32 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

They are physically healthy children. Given that, I'm asking the other poster what this "potentially fatal risk" is.

And you got your medical degree where?

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

They are physically healthy children. Given that, I'm asking the other poster what this "potentially fatal risk" is.

Suicide. Is that fatal enough for you?

 

'Gender-affirming treatment remains a topic of controversy; of particular concern is whether gender-affirming treatment reduces suicidality. A narrative review was undertaken evaluating suicide-related outcomes following gender-affirming surgery, hormones, and/or puberty blockers. Of the 23 studies that met the inclusion criteria, the majority indicated a reduction in suicidality following gender-affirming treatment.....;   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10027312/

 

'If such an adolescent’s suffering is unbearable and cannot be relieved by medical or psychiatric therapy, surgery might make sense if the parents are in agreement and have adequate decision making capacity themselves. This would be a very rare case, though.  https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/18/is-there-a-right-age-to-change-ones-sex/few-adolescents-are-capable-of-making-a-decision-to-have-gender-transforming-surgery

 

Again though, this is decisions taken with professionals who know much more than you.

[Eleftheros]

43 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Suicide. Is that fatal enough for you?

Well, I'm glad you agree with the premise in the OP that transgenderism is a mental disorder, which is what causes people to commit suicide, assuming they are not in terminal illness or unbearable physical pain.

 

The British judicial system describes it as " ... took his life while the balance of his mind was disturbed." A good description.

 

Undoubtedly there are "professionals who know much more than" I do, but that doesn't mean their recommendations are going to help, or are even offered in good faith.

 

Take the horrible story of the Tavistock Clinic in the UK, which was belatedly closed down for a litany of medical malpractices too extensive to detail, but notably including the indiscriminate use of the dangerous puberty blocker Lupron.

 

When reading accounts of how medical clinics like Tavistock will mutilate thousands of vulnerable children for personal gain,  I feel a mixture of nausea and anger, but I guess that attitude puts me in a minority round here.

[Longwood50]

On 9/28/2023 at 9:33 AM, Social Media said:

transgenderism "a mental health disorder

As children it was very typical to play "make believe"  

When someone has imaginary friends they are deemed schitzophrenic and medicated.  But somehow if " I identify" as another gender that is not a mental disorder.  I am sure if I said I identify as an Lion people would think I am crazy and I see precious little difference in a person who believes themself to be a gender other than defined by their chromosones than considering themselves to be a different animal than what is defined by their chromosones.  

[impulse]

1 hour ago, Eleftheros said:

but I guess that attitude puts me in a minority round here.

I don't think you're as much in the minority, it's just that there's an extremely vocal minority on here that believe they have the right answer and anyone who disagrees must be stupid, or some kind of phobe.  Pick a topic...  Trump, Thaksin, Russia, Putin, Thai maleness, you name it, and I think most of us can predict who's coming out of the woodwork to shout down anyone holding "the wrong view".  Mostly, why bother arguing with zealots?

 

Here's a great read for anyone who's really interested.  An interview with the former president of UPATH and/or WPATH, who's definitely pro-trans (25 years ago at age 45).  But she has some deep concerns about the quality and thoroughness of the diagnostic process, along with 1t Amendment concerns about stifling discussion.

 

https://quillette.com/2022/01/06/a-transgender-pioneer-explains-why-she-stepped-down-from-uspath-and-wpath/

 

"...submitted a co-authored op-ed to the New York Times “warning that many transgender healthcare providers were treating kids recklessly.”  “That is going to earn me a lot of criticism from some colleagues, but given what I see [in regard to teenage girls transitioning without proper safeguards], my experience as a psychologist treating gender-variant youth makes me worried that decisions will be made that will later be regretted by those making them,” 

 

That's the back street industry I referenced, but others quickly shouted me down on.

 

Also some good links, including to a book on Amazon.  Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters.   Interesting to read the book reviews.  One gave it the lowest score possible, the others praising the book.  Kinda like here...

 

Edited October 2, 2023 by impulse