Trump co-defendant pleads guilty in Georgia election case

[Tug]

16 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You probably will add Jenna Ellis to the singing trio this week. Very likely to plead guity. She is angry with Trump and very broke to fund her indictment defense. 

They are a flipping like flap jacks!it’s a good day for democracy!

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

You probably will add Jenna Ellis to the singing trio this week. Very likely to plead guity. She is angry with Trump and very broke to fund her indictment defense. 

They are a flipping like flap jacks!it’s a good day for democracy!

Trump Lawyer Admits to Falsehoods in 2020 Fraud Claims

Jenna Ellis acknowledged that she knowingly misrepresented the facts about election fraud in a disciplinary procedure by Colorado state bar officials.

March 9, 2023

 

When she joined Mr. Trump’s legal team, Ms. Ellis liked to describe herself as a “constitutional law attorney,” although a review of her professional history by The New York Times, as well as interviews with more than a half-dozen lawyers who worked with her, showed that she was not the seasoned constitutional law expert she claimed.

 

On Nov. 20, 2020, for example, Ms. Ellis appeared on Maria Bartiromo’s show on Fox Business describing the evidence that Mr. Trump’s legal team had collected to support their claims of fraud — a position that she now acknowledges was untrue.

 

“We have affidavits from witnesses, we have voter intimidation,” she falsely claimed on Ms. Bartiromo’s show, “we have the ballots that were manipulated, we have all kinds of statistics that show that this was a coordinated effort in all of these states to transfer votes either from Trump to Biden, to manipulate the ballots, to count them in secret.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/us/politics/jenna-ellis-trump-2020-election.html

 

https://archive.li/ovF1L

[Chomper Higgot]

51 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Trump Lawyer Admits to Falsehoods in 2020 Fraud Claims

Jenna Ellis acknowledged that she knowingly misrepresented the facts about election fraud in a disciplinary procedure by Colorado state bar officials.

March 9, 2023

 

When she joined Mr. Trump’s legal team, Ms. Ellis liked to describe herself as a “constitutional law attorney,” although a review of her professional history by The New York Times, as well as interviews with more than a half-dozen lawyers who worked with her, showed that she was not the seasoned constitutional law expert she claimed.

 

On Nov. 20, 2020, for example, Ms. Ellis appeared on Maria Bartiromo’s show on Fox Business describing the evidence that Mr. Trump’s legal team had collected to support their claims of fraud — a position that she now acknowledges was untrue.

 

“We have affidavits from witnesses, we have voter intimidation,” she falsely claimed on Ms. Bartiromo’s show, “we have the ballots that were manipulated, we have all kinds of statistics that show that this was a coordinated effort in all of these states to transfer votes either from Trump to Biden, to manipulate the ballots, to count them in secret.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/us/politics/jenna-ellis-trump-2020-election.html

 

https://archive.li/ovF1L

Hope springs eternal.

[jerrymahoney]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hope springs eternal.

It would seem a good rule for the Prosecution not t=have the jury laughing at your witnesses.

 

And from the NYTimes:

 

The request for the stay by John F. Lauro, a lawyer for Mr. Trump, was a double-barreled effort to both free the former president from restrictions on his public remarks about the case and to push back the proceedings for as long as possible.

 

Delay has been a strategy pursued by Mr. Trump in both the election interference prosecution and the other federal case he is confronting

 

And prosecutors in Mr. Smith’s office have repeatedly accused him and his lawyers of dragging their feet and seeking to push both the election interference and classified documents cases back until after the 2024 election.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/20/us/politics/trump-gag-order-freeze-election.html

 

So now it's like the Special Prosecutor's is saying:

 

Teacher that mean Donnie Trump isn't playing fair!

Edited October 24, 2023 by jerrymahoney

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2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

It would seem a good rule for the Prosecution not t=have the jury laughing at your witnesses.

You should send this advice to the prosecution. Of course, it may be that Ellis has documents and such that could strengthen the prosecution's cases against other defendants. You might want to point that out to them as well.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

It would seem a good rule for the Prosecution not t=have the jury laughing at your witnesses.

 

And from the NYTimes:

 

The request for the stay by John F. Lauro, a lawyer for Mr. Trump, was a double-barreled effort to both free the former president from restrictions on his public remarks about the case and to push back the proceedings for as long as possible.

 

Delay has been a strategy pursued by Mr. Trump in both the election interference prosecution and the other federal case he is confronting

 

And prosecutors in Mr. Smith’s office have repeatedly accused him and his lawyers of dragging their feet and seeking to push both the election interference and classified documents cases back until after the 2024 election.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/20/us/politics/trump-gag-order-freeze-election.html

 

So now it's like the Special Prosecutor's is saying:

 

Teacher that mean Donnie Trump isn't playing fair!

Prosecutors challenge the attempts of the defendants lawyers to delay the trial.

 

Is that complaining to teacher or is it Prosecutors pursuing timely justice?

 

Clearly Trump Wants his trials to run out past the election so that he doesn’t have to stand trial.

 

Clearly it’s in the prosecution’s interest to ensure that doesn’t happen.

 

My money is on Jack Smith.

[jerrymahoney]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You should send this advice to the prosecution. Of course, it may be that Ellis has documents and such that could strengthen the prosecution's cases against other defendants. You might want to point that out to them as well.

From the post above: The number one strategy for the Trump defense in all criminal cases is: DELAY.

 

The next order -- from the dragging their feet comment -- is to get under the Prosecution's skin.

 

Maybe third or lower is: deal with the evidence.

 

tag team over for now.

Edited October 24, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[jerrymahoney]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Prosecutors challenge the attempts of the defendants lawyers to delay the trial.

 

Is that complaining to teacher or is it Prosecutors pursuing timely justice?

Yes -- file a motion.

 

Tag team over for now.

Edited October 24, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, jerrymahoney said:

From the post above: The number one strategy for the Trump defense in all criminal cases is: DELAY.

 

The next order -- from the dragging their feet comment -- is to get under the Prosecution's skin.

 

Maybe third or lower is: deal with the evidence.

 

I just love that ‘get under the prosecution’s skin’.

 

Like as if it’s Jack Smith up at all hours semi coherently ranting on social media, destroying lines of defense and presenting further lines of inquiry.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

From the post above: The number one strategy for the Trump defense in all criminal cases is: DELAY.

 

The next order -- from the dragging their feet comment -- is to get under the Prosecution's skin.

 

Maybe third or lower is: deal with the evidence.

 

tag team over for now.

or Trump employed his bullet proof “ I hardly know her” defense. Lol. This fat boy is toast Prepare the orang jumpsuit. 

[placeholder]

8 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

From the post above: The number one strategy for the Trump defense in all criminal cases is: DELAY.

 

The next order -- from the dragging their feet comment -- is to get under the Prosecution's skin.

 

Maybe third or lower is: deal with the evidence.

 

tag team over for now.

You're the party who brought up the issue of Ellis' reliability. 

[illisdean]

11 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

You do understand what negotiating a plea deal entails, don't you?

 

In cases like this with multiple defendants, it typically involves agreeing to give the prosecution something they want (such as evidence against other defendants) in exchange for which they agree to charge you with lesser offences. 

 

It's even possible in a plea deal, for a person to go from facing serious charges, to facing no charges at all, in exchange for testifying against those who have greater responsibility for the crime(s) involved. In this case, Powell and Cheseboro are still facing charges, just not as serious as the original ones. It's not that unusual.

Powell waived the original indicted and pleaded guilty intentional interference with performance of election duties and Cheseboro 1 count felony. Powell did not plead guilty to the principal charge against Trump: the RICO conspiracy. She did not admit that she was part of a criminal enterprise with Trump, et al. to “unlawfully” change the results of the 2020 election. She did not admit that she conspired to violate Georgia’s RICO statute with Trump or anyone else. Instead, her plea deal is narrow and only relates to conduct that occurred in Coffee County, Georgia, where contractors accessed voting machines with the permission of local officials and has no connection to Trump or his indictment now that RICO charges against Powell are dropped. AFAIK, Fulton County isn’t accusing Trump of directing, being involved with, or even knowing about what occurred in Coffee County. thus, Powell’s plea to the Coffee County charges does not, and will not, directly implicate Trump. I can see the RICO case dissolving very soon for fanny and her RICO fantasy. Don't ask me, ask any legal expert about Fulton counties flawed RICO prosecution.

[Danderman123]

26 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Powell waived the original indicted and pleaded guilty intentional interference with performance of election duties and Cheseboro 1 count felony. Powell did not plead guilty to the principal charge against Trump: the RICO conspiracy. She did not admit that she was part of a criminal enterprise with Trump, et al. to “unlawfully” change the results of the 2020 election. She did not admit that she conspired to violate Georgia’s RICO statute with Trump or anyone else. Instead, her plea deal is narrow and only relates to conduct that occurred in Coffee County, Georgia, where contractors accessed voting machines with the permission of local officials and has no connection to Trump or his indictment now that RICO charges against Powell are dropped. AFAIK, Fulton County isn’t accusing Trump of directing, being involved with, or even knowing about what occurred in Coffee County. thus, Powell’s plea to the Coffee County charges does not, and will not, directly implicate Trump. I can see the RICO case dissolving very soon for fanny and her RICO fantasy. Don't ask me, ask any legal expert about Fulton counties flawed RICO prosecution.

The normal process for flipping is for the cooperating witness to plead to a lesser charge.

 

Your post paraphrases what Trump's lawyer claimed. Do you really believe him, or are you just mechanically posting Trump propaganda? If it's the latter case, then you don't care if it's true or not.

 

However, if you are so ignorant of basic legal procedures that you believe what you posted, then I will educate you.

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Danderman123

[FritsSikkink]

45 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Powell waived the original indicted and pleaded guilty intentional interference with performance of election duties and Cheseboro 1 count felony. Powell did not plead guilty to the principal charge against Trump: the RICO conspiracy. She did not admit that she was part of a criminal enterprise with Trump, et al. to “unlawfully” change the results of the 2020 election. She did not admit that she conspired to violate Georgia’s RICO statute with Trump or anyone else. Instead, her plea deal is narrow and only relates to conduct that occurred in Coffee County, Georgia, where contractors accessed voting machines with the permission of local officials and has no connection to Trump or his indictment now that RICO charges against Powell are dropped. AFAIK, Fulton County isn’t accusing Trump of directing, being involved with, or even knowing about what occurred in Coffee County. thus, Powell’s plea to the Coffee County charges does not, and will not, directly implicate Trump. I can see the RICO case dissolving very soon for fanny and her RICO fantasy. Don't ask me, ask any legal expert about Fulton counties flawed RICO prosecution.

Toast: 'No defenses left': Why Kenneth Chesebro plea deal likely has Trump 'quaking in his boots' (msn.com)

[Danderman123]

10 hours ago, Tug said:

They are a flipping like flap jacks!it’s a good day for democracy!

Jenna Ellis becomes latest Trump attorney to plead guilty

[Danderman123]

Dear Trump fans:

 

You were lied to about the 2020 election. Some of the people who lied to you now admit they were lying.

 

Why do you still believe their lies?

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Dear Trump fans:

 

You were lied to about the 2020 election. Some of the people who lied to you now admit they were lying.

 

Why do you still believe their lies?

I’m afraid they have to otherwise they have to admit they followed a New York City trust fund baby draft dodging pow disrespecting lying grifting conman who stabbed our Allie’s in the guts ran up the national debt 25% for nothing mismanaged covid causing 10s of thousands of unnecessary American deaths and on and on that dear friends is a bitter pill to swallow and own up to I doubt they ever will.personally I could care less just for gods sake don’t re elect the guy!anyway it’s good to see another of the inner circle flip I do believe the worm has turned!

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I've been thinking about that meme that Trump reposted of himself in the courtroom where he's sitting next to his co-defendant, Jesus. Does anyone think there's any chance that Trump can cop a plea deal just so long as he testifies that, his boss, well, everyone's boss actually, Jesus, made him do it? And since, as right wingers believe, the crimes of the Son are also the crimes of the Father, is there any chance that Fani Willis  could get Jesus to flip on his Dad? Would that mean that Fani Willis is the Antichrist? That would most likely confirm evangelical voters' darkest suspicions.

Edited October 24, 2023 by placeholder

[candide]

Poor darling ..... 😓

She rose to speak after pleading guilty, fighting back tears as she said she would have not have represented Trump after the 2020 election if she knew then what she knows now, claiming that she she relied on lawyers with much more experience than her and failed to verify the things they told her.

https://news.yahoo.com/jenna-ellis-becomes-latest-trump-134539125.html

[bbko]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Poor darling ..... 😓

She rose to speak after pleading guilty, fighting back tears as she said she would have not have represented Trump after the 2020 election if she knew then what she knows now, claiming that she she relied on lawyers with much more experience than her and failed to verify the things they told her.

https://news.yahoo.com/jenna-ellis-becomes-latest-trump-134539125.html

Awww, she's just a victim in this whole thing...555, I'd say for trying to commit a coup against our Democracy, she "got off" wayyy too light.

[bendejo]

While I don't share her religious beliefs I am impressed that she stood up for her core tenets, the things she believed in  before being allured by the orange idol.  Atheist I may be, but I do think that honest redemption is possible (not that bs "mistakes were made" so popular in politics). I guess it took the indictment, which turned her into a criminal, to cause her to ask the question "what have I become?"  (Maybe Hutchinson's "mirror test" explanation hit home.)  She realized that not only did she muck up her own life but would bring shame to her old-time religion. 

In the US, as in many countries and cultures, staunch religious practices (along with their rules and consequences for violating them) can make the leaders and their followers look like hypocrites, but this gal seems to have a conscience.  Word is she is trying to get Rudy on the side of the angels -- good luck with that one, miss.

But please do not go into politics.  Look at what it did to preacher's daughter Sarah Huckabee.

 

On the other hand maybe it was that old lyric line but our prayer won't kill the bear that hit home.

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by bendejo

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7 minutes ago, bendejo said:

While I don't share her religious beliefs I am impressed that she stood up for her core tenets, the things she believed in  before being allured by the orange idol.  Atheist I may be, but I do think that honest redemption is possible (not that bs "mistakes were made" so popular in politics). I guess it took the indictment, which turned her into a criminal, to cause her to ask the question "what have I become?"  (Maybe Hutchinson's "mirror test" explanation hit home.)  She realized that not only did she muck up her own life but would bring shame to her old-time religion. 

In the US, as in many countries and cultures, staunch religious practices (along with their rules and consequences for violating them) can make the leaders and their followers look like hypocrites, but this gal seems to have a conscience.  Word is she is trying to get Rudy on the side of the angels -- good luck with that one, miss.

But please do not go into politics.  Look at what it did to preacher's daughter Sarah Huckabee.

 

On the other hand maybe it was that old lyric line but our prayer won't kill the bear that hit home.

 

I believe in the sincerity of people who repent before they get caught.

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

I believe in the sincerity of people who repent before they get caught.

 

Not a very humane sentiment there, boyo.

 

[Danderman123]

17 hours ago, Tug said:

They are a flipping like flap jacks!it’s a good day for democracy!

Another flip in the January 6 case today.

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Another flip in the January 6 case today.

Mark meadows granted immunity for testimony the walls are indeed closing in!

[placeholder]

4 hours ago, bendejo said:

 

Not a very humane sentiment there, boyo.

 

Not a very credulous one, either.

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Mark meadows granted immunity for testimony the walls are indeed closing in!

https://abcnews.go.com/US/chief-staff-mark-meadows-granted-immunity-tells-special/story?id=104231281

[earlinclaifornia]

The many MAGA's voices are just deafening!! But wait I hear the sound of them writing checks to the Trump legal team.

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by earlinclaifornia

[jerrymahoney]

All the news reports on the Meadows immunity link to the above ABC News 'scoop'.

 

George Terwilliger , told CBS News:

 

NEW: “I told ABC that their story was largely inaccurate. People will have to judge for themselves the decision to run it anyway.” George Terwilliger, Mark Meadows lawyer, to CBS News, responding to new reporting “Ex-Chief of Staff granted immunity, tells special counsel he warned Trump about 2020 claims: Sources”

 

 

And as of 8:51 AM Thailand time, neither the New York Times nor the Washington Post have yet to rum=n the story.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

42 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

All the news reports on the Meadows immunity link to the above ABC News 'scoop'.

 

George Terwilliger , told CBS News:

 

NEW: “I told ABC that their story was largely inaccurate. People will have to judge for themselves the decision to run it anyway.” George Terwilliger, Mark Meadows lawyer, to CBS News, responding to new reporting “Ex-Chief of Staff granted immunity, tells special counsel he warned Trump about 2020 claims: Sources”

 

 

And as of 8:51 AM Thailand time, neither the New York Times nor the Washington Post have yet to rum=n the story.

 

 

 

The wording of the statement by Meadows’ lawyer is interesting, not for what it says, but for what it doesn’t say.

 

It’s a long way from a categorical denial that Meadows has cut an immunity deal.

 

Why so reticent?

 

If an immunity deal hasn’t been cut just say so.

 

I’m sure Meadows doesn’t appreciate having a MAGA target pinned to his back by suspicion that he’s cooperating with Jack Smith against Trump.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Chomper Higgot