Popular Post Morch Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Thorgal said: The crater proves that there was no misfire. The crater proves instead a high altitude impact and detonation. The rocket launcher was positioned at the cemetery on the right side of the hospital. I used this map to have an approximative distance estimate. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-lack-of-crater-at-hospital-blast-site-proves-it-wasnt-behind-strike/ Ownership of the launcher, the rocket or the operation is not relevant. It's possible that the ownership of the telephone call is "coded". You are grabbing at straws. Does that look like a crater created by a bomb that supposedly killed 500 people? Nonsense. More in line with a Palestinian rocket falling in the Gaza Strip, something that happens on quite often. It doesn't matter what you based your assertions on, you do not know where the launcher was, you do not know that the information on the conversation was 100% accurate, and so on. You are the one who claimed it was a Hamas rocket, without providing support and contrary to available information. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, RanongCat said: I will avoid any attempt to debate the essence of your post other than to query your assertion that I have adopted aggressive or abusive language. Is that your reaction to my failure to subscribe like a loyal dog to your opinion ? I find it strange that so far you have cumulatively have accused me of various extreme emotional response states . Are you unaccustomed to have challenge to your opinion? Look up your previous posts for reference. You can disagree all you like, you can have your opinions - that's not much of an issue, and no one said otherwise. Oh, after years of having these 'discussions' on here, I'm pretty much used to anything. Somehow, I still expect things to improve. Silly me. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BarraMarra Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 7 hours ago, Neeranam said: A little bit blinkered here Barra. I suggest you read this from Amnesty International. Israel’s continuing oppressive and discriminatory system of governing Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) constituted a system of apartheid, and Israeli officials committed the crime of apartheid under international law. Israeli forces launched a three-day offensive on the occupied Gaza Strip in August during which they committed apparent war crimes. https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/ Nice Deflection I'm not interested in what Amnesty says or Apartheid. I'm interested in the present Situation between Israel and Hamas. If you don't wish to join in this thread move on instead of deflection or making up stories. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: Dream on Al Ahli Ma'Madani hospital is the only Christian hospital in Gaza. Many homeless people from Gaza North were sheltering in the neighborhood of the hospital. ◾️Israeli Channel 12 admits it was an Israeli airstrike on the Al-Alhi hospital! ◾️Ohad Hemo, Israeli TV's Palestinian Affairs reporter, admits Israel is responsible for last night's bombing of the Baptist Hospital in Gaza resulting in hundreds of civilian casualties. video_2023-10-18_17-05-13.mp4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff the Chef Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Goodnight all, nursey has just come to give me my medication, play nice now and see you all tomorrow. It's been a hoot. Hope nobody dies who doesn't deserve to die or those whose time on this earth has run it's course. Love to all human beings everywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Thorgal said: Al Ahli Ma'Madani hospital is the only Christian hospital in Gaza. Many homeless people from Gaza North were sheltering in the neighborhood of the hospital. ◾️Israeli Channel 12 admits it was an Israeli airstrike on the Al-Alhi hospital! ◾️Ohad Hemo, Israeli TV's Palestinian Affairs reporter, admits Israel is responsible for last night's bombing of the Baptist Hospital in Gaza resulting in hundreds of civilian casualties. video_2023-10-18_17-05-13.mp4 Your wasting my time, my "dream on" comment was in reference to your claim that the rocket launcher was 25 meters way from the impact sight. Now you deflect into another report taken just minutes after the impact when their was no information or evidence on what caused it. You have nothing 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rabas Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 32 minutes ago, Thorgal said: The crater proves that there was no misfire. The crater proves instead a high altitude impact and detonation. The rocket launcher was positioned at the cemetery on the right side of the hospital. I used this map to have an approximative distance estimate. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-lack-of-crater-at-hospital-blast-site-proves-it-wasnt-behind-strike/ Ownership of the launcher, the rocket or the operation is not relevant. It's possible that the ownership of the telephone call is "coded". A two foot diameter crater (or less)? Are you kidding? That's the diameter of the rocket motor, which falling from a high altitude would punch a small hole in a dirt/cobble surface. The remaining rocket fuel then ignited and burned the cars. Talk about seeing only what one wants to see. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Thorgal said: Al Ahli Ma'Madani hospital is the only Christian hospital in Gaza. Many homeless people from Gaza North were sheltering in the neighborhood of the hospital. ◾️Israeli Channel 12 admits it was an Israeli airstrike on the Al-Alhi hospital! ◾️Ohad Hemo, Israeli TV's Palestinian Affairs reporter, admits Israel is responsible for last night's bombing of the Baptist Hospital in Gaza resulting in hundreds of civilian casualties. video_2023-10-18_17-05-13.mp4 That was a report broadcast just a few minutes after the hospital got bombed , and the report also says that "it appears to be an IDF bombing" , which it did at the time . It has subsequently been reported that it was a misfiring Hamas bomb that caused the destruction . You seem to twisting facts around and trying to fit the square shape into the round hole . The TV station didn't admit it was an Israeli bombing, they stated it appears to be an Israeli bombing , reported a few minutes after the bomb hit and before they had any info on who caused it 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 7 hours ago, Paul Catton said: Again, nothing conclusive from this BBC report, and is also currently being refuted. Skepticism should be applied to all reports from either side. Sleepy Joe has now arrived in Israel, after not viewing decapitated babies yet claiming he had, perhaps, he could have the ability to diffuse the situation, as he will have his own feet on the ground. If that's your thing Paul the Hamas Butchers wore body Cams when they were killed by IDF the footage was downloaded from their body Cams and displayed everything they did as shown on Israeli news channels. So if that's your thing I suggest you look on their news sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 45 minutes ago, Thorgal said: The crater proves that there was no misfire. The crater proves instead a high altitude impact and detonation. The rocket launcher was positioned at the cemetery on the right side of the hospital. I used this map to have an approximative distance estimate. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-lack-of-crater-at-hospital-blast-site-proves-it-wasnt-behind-strike/ Ownership of the launcher, the rocket or the operation is not relevant. It's possible that the ownership of the telephone call is "coded". Now listen to an expert rather than your misinformation: 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 6 hours ago, Paul Catton said: Until it is different, and it gets similar each and every day through continued escalation by all. Have you had the need to have a gas mask next to you when Iraqi scud missiles were landing in the neighborhood when a conflict strikes up and extends beyond control? Deflection one minute your posting about Vietnam nonsense then now your posting about the Gulf War. wind up Merchant and outed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Woof999 Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 51 minutes ago, Thorgal said: The crater proves that there was no misfire. The crater proves instead a high altitude impact and detonation. If an Israeli rocket / missile / bomb, impacting at its intended target, can only disturb a few dozen paving bricks and burn a few cars, without doing much if any blast damage to those cars or the buildings immediately surrounding it then Israel really need to surrender immediately. Unless of course that same weapon can instantly vapourise 500 humans (because where are they?) while doing such little property damage. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 34 minutes ago, BarraMarra said: Nice Deflection I'm not interested in what Amnesty says or Apartheid. I'm interested in the present Situation between Israel and Hamas. If you don't wish to join in this thread move on instead of deflection or making up stories. What story have I made up? The thing I posted is relevant to you saying 'we all know Hamas started this war'. What do you mean by me not wishing to join in the thread? Seems like you think this thread is about only criticizing Palestine and not Israel. Dude, I'm neutral in this conflict and want to hear both sides of the story. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Paul Catton said: There are no non authoritative propaganda sources. Al Jazeera is my preferred source of news for the Middle East, BBC for matters pertaining to the UK and Europe, CNN for the Americas, (Asean Now for Thailand, perhaps I should go to Thaiger)! you're still banned on there Paul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Woof999 said: If an Israeli rocket / missile / bomb, impacting at its intended target, can only disturb a few dozen paving bricks and burn a few cars, without doing much if any blast damage to those cars or the buildings immediately surrounding it then Israel really need to surrender immediately. Unless of course that same weapon can instantly vapourise 500 humans (because where are they?) while doing such little property damage. Some rockets are guided and will explode before impact. There's live footage available of the explosion and the huge fire ball. High tone whistling from high altitude is noticeable before the impact. - Just an example here below in the video to explain the principle : I did'n't say it's that rocket that was used. You won't find a large deep crater, but high volume of shrapnel and high kinetic blast to kill as many people in that spot within a diameter of +/- 50 m. The parking lot was used as open air shelter for Palestinian refugees coming from the north of Gaza. video_2023-10-18_17-48-45.mp4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BarraMarra Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 hours ago, RanongCat said: Yet again you join the ranks of those that are incapable of differentiating the genuine aspects of debate without resorting eventually to accusation of partisan allegiance not compatible with your own despite very deliberate attempts to present balanced opinion but always with the taint of bias . My allegiance is towards humanitarian outcome which unfortunately is often at odds with the predominant infliction of aggressive superior power. Too often that does not align with geopolitical agenda regardless of humanitarian concern. I am surprised you did not/have not resorted to the defeatist retort of " Whataboutism etc" that so often gets inserted by some ignorants on many topics . So in granting that you are not an ignorant elucidate the forum community on the gambit of atrocities "the other side " did to each other prior to the infliction of the Israeli Nation State" . Be sure to include major community insults rather than individual crimes in that if you can. Even if Aid to the Palestinians is handed out at the border Hamas will take it from them for themselves that is there Humanitarian response to their own People. building materials we need that for our Tunnels. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said: I've just had a cracking idea, lets kill all the Arabs and Israeli's in the Middle East and leave all the oil to the good ole US of A which is what this is all about which ever way you want to cut this cake. Human Beings are so funny, if it wasn't for the fact I was crying for humanity. Flame away people , flame away. Whats the small name for Richard Chef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rabas Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Thorgal said: Some rockets are guided and will explode before impact. There's live footage available of the explosion and the huge fire ball. High tone whistling from high altitude is noticeable before the impact. - Just an example here below in the video to explain the principle : I did'n't say it's that rocket that was used. You won't find a large deep crater, but high volume of shrapnel and high kinetic blast to kill as many people in that spot within a diameter of +/- 50 m. The parking lot was used as open air shelter for Palestinian refugees coming from the north of Gaza. video_2023-10-18_17-48-45.mp4 Lol, that's a slow motion high pressure blast. You don't think that would blow leaves off the trees in the parking lot, or blow the trees away? Watch the morning after video, all the trees still have leaves and look unperturbed. Anyway, your alleged crater wouldn't be there. Please stop with the nonsense. Edited October 18, 2023 by rabas 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, Neeranam said: What story have I made up? The thing I posted is relevant to you saying 'we all know Hamas started this war'. What do you mean by me not wishing to join in the thread? Seems like you think this thread is about only criticizing Palestine and not Israel. Dude, I'm neutral in this conflict and want to hear both sides of the story. Neutral. That's a laugh. Hearing both sides of the story. That's another. No one buys this BS. Why bother? 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said: The Occupation of Palestine: A Short History Here we go big letters in Bold print. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Thorgal said: The cemetery (next to the hospital) is +/- 25 m from the place of impact (crater). There is no crater at the car park show us where the crater is Thorgal? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Thorgal said: The crater proves that there was no misfire. The crater proves instead a high altitude impact and detonation. The rocket launcher was positioned at the cemetery on the right side of the hospital. I used this map to have an approximative distance estimate. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-lack-of-crater-at-hospital-blast-site-proves-it-wasnt-behind-strike/ Ownership of the launcher, the rocket or the operation is not relevant. It's possible that the ownership of the telephone call is "coded". A Issan rocket makes a bigger Hole than that Thorgal. Can someone post a pic of an inpackted Missile and its crater size for the Boy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, BarraMarra said: There is no crater at the car park show us where the crater is Thorgal? Showed it already in another post : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Thorgal said: Showed it already in another post : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061 Not much of crater. Oh, and another picture there shows pretty clearly that your 25m nonsense was just that. Another word on them '25m' - if the launcher was anywhere this close to the Hospital, that would be a violation of international law. Edited October 18, 2023 by Morch 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BarraMarra Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 44 minutes ago, Neeranam said: What story have I made up? The thing I posted is relevant to you saying 'we all know Hamas started this war'. What do you mean by me not wishing to join in the thread? Seems like you think this thread is about only criticizing Palestine and not Israel. Dude, I'm neutral in this conflict and want to hear both sides of the story. I'M not a Dude or American. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Hamas is to blame already proven, but they will not be disappointed as it's an excellent op for yet more crying kiddie and dead baby propaganda, who they just killed.🫥 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, Thorgal said: Showed it already in another post : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061 Lol, that's not the same small mark you called a crater in your previous post. What does it tell you when someone continues to make self inconstant claims? Does he believe them? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, rabas said: Lol, that's not the same small mark you called a crater in your previous post. What does it tell you when someone continues to make self inconstant claims? Does he believe them? I'm not the only one who doesn't take this "fog of war" as true : MSNBC does the same like me : takes distance from any actual official speculation and I also use my healthy mind More to come... video_2023-10-18_18-55-27.mp4 video_2023-10-18_18-56-22.mp4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, BarraMarra said: A Issan rocket makes a bigger Hole than that Thorgal. Can someone post a pic of an inpackted Missile and its crater size for the Boy. As explained previously : some smart bombs can detonate before the impact. My doubts raised when I heard the whistling noise in the footage, which isn't a propulsor rocket with motor from Hamas/Islamic Jihad, but a smart bomb. No need to equate high tech explosives (damn, without a crater...) with Isaan Songkhran crackers... IMG_0419.MP4 Edited October 18, 2023 by Thorgal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) Evidence provided by the Israelis to show Hamas is responsible is good enough for all but the desperately blinkered, like a one on here. Edited October 18, 2023 by proton 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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