1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

the Gaza Strip, March 27, 2022. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty, File)

Israel has been holding an unknown number of Gazan laborers in West Bank military facilities since October 7, after Hamas stormed 22 southern border towns and communities and massacred over 1,400 Israelis.

The Gazans, whose work permits have meanwhile been revoked, are mostly being detained at the Anatot base northeast of Jerusalem, according to an army spokesperson, who added that they cannot be returned to Gaza for the time being.

Their numbers are estimated to be in the hundreds, with Channel 12 claiming there may be as many as 4,000.

Before Hamas’s attack, Israel issued 17,500 daily permits for Gazans to work in Israel, mostly in agriculture and construction. Jerusalem had been considering increasing the number to 20,000, on condition that Hamas would halt border riots.

Erez, the only land border crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip, was destroyed by Hamas terrorists on October 7 and has been hermetically sealed ever since. The IDF says that all stranded Gazan laborers were rounded up and transferred to Anatot shortly after the war’s outbreak. Palestinian media and Israeli NGOs have reported, however, that many of them managed to cross into the territories of the Palestinian Authority and sought refuge with local residents. Over the subsequent days, the IDF reportedly sought to locate all Gazans in the West Bank and transfer them to the detention facilities.

 

Anatot is the only base that the IDF stated it has been using, but the Israeli NGO Gisha also mentioned use of the Ofer detention facility north of Jerusalem, as well as other military bases in the West Bank.

 

The Palestinian official news agency Wafa reported that 50 Gazan laborers were arrested in Hebron on October 17, and an additional 40 on October 23, while 50 were reportedly detained as they were sheltering in the Dheisheh refugee camp near Bethlehem on October 19. Several Gazans were also detained during a raid in the town of al-Ram, north of Jerusalem, on October 22, Wafa said.

The Gazans’ detention does not legally amount to an arrest, and will persist until the situation in Gaza allows for their return. The detainees have not been allowed to seek legal representation, and it is unclear whether their internment under the present conditions is lawful.

Security forces have been investigating whether any of the laborers provided information to Hamas regarding Israeli towns and communities surrounding Gaza, thereby helping them in their deadly mission to locate targets and maximize the impact of their onslaught.

Several Israeli human rights groups sent a letter to Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Attorney General Gali Baharav Miara on October 12, lamenting the fact that no charges had been presented for holding the laborers in custody, and asserting that their “most fundamental rights, particularly protection for their rights to due process, legal counsel, and judicial review,” were being violated.

The letter, signed by the Center for the Defense of the Individual, the Gisha Legal Center for Freedom of Movement, the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, Physicians for Human Rights and the Adalah Legal Center, alleged that the measure was an act of vengeance, forbidden during hostilities according to international law, and that all Gazan laborers had been admitted into Israel and received work permits following “diligent screening” by Israel’s security.

So, I was right, thanks jeffie....

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I have not got any side in this, and have on every occasion condemned Hamas as terrorists, what your not getting is death and injury on either side is wrong, except it seems if it comes from the Israeli's in an act of revenge on the whole of the Palestinian people, that is what I object too.

 

No sides, eh?

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1309894-the-gaza-diplomacy-of-biden-sunak-and-co-seems-to-be-heading-for-failure/page/10/#comment-18448864

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

the Gaza Strip, March 27, 2022. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty, File)

Israel has been holding an unknown number of Gazan laborers in West Bank military facilities since October 7, after Hamas stormed 22 southern border towns and communities and massacred over 1,400 Israelis.

The Gazans, whose work permits have meanwhile been revoked, are mostly being detained at the Anatot base northeast of Jerusalem, according to an army spokesperson, who added that they cannot be returned to Gaza for the time being.

Their numbers are estimated to be in the hundreds, with Channel 12 claiming there may be as many as 4,000.

Before Hamas’s attack, Israel issued 17,500 daily permits for Gazans to work in Israel, mostly in agriculture and construction. Jerusalem had been considering increasing the number to 20,000, on condition that Hamas would halt border riots.

Erez, the only land border crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip, was destroyed by Hamas terrorists on October 7 and has been hermetically sealed ever since. The IDF says that all stranded Gazan laborers were rounded up and transferred to Anatot shortly after the war’s outbreak. Palestinian media and Israeli NGOs have reported, however, that many of them managed to cross into the territories of the Palestinian Authority and sought refuge with local residents. Over the subsequent days, the IDF reportedly sought to locate all Gazans in the West Bank and transfer them to the detention facilities.

 

Anatot is the only base that the IDF stated it has been using, but the Israeli NGO Gisha also mentioned use of the Ofer detention facility north of Jerusalem, as well as other military bases in the West Bank.

 

The Palestinian official news agency Wafa reported that 50 Gazan laborers were arrested in Hebron on October 17, and an additional 40 on October 23, while 50 were reportedly detained as they were sheltering in the Dheisheh refugee camp near Bethlehem on October 19. Several Gazans were also detained during a raid in the town of al-Ram, north of Jerusalem, on October 22, Wafa said.

The Gazans’ detention does not legally amount to an arrest, and will persist until the situation in Gaza allows for their return. The detainees have not been allowed to seek legal representation, and it is unclear whether their internment under the present conditions is lawful.

Security forces have been investigating whether any of the laborers provided information to Hamas regarding Israeli towns and communities surrounding Gaza, thereby helping them in their deadly mission to locate targets and maximize the impact of their onslaught.

Several Israeli human rights groups sent a letter to Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Attorney General Gali Baharav Miara on October 12, lamenting the fact that no charges had been presented for holding the laborers in custody, and asserting that their “most fundamental rights, particularly protection for their rights to due process, legal counsel, and judicial review,” were being violated.

The letter, signed by the Center for the Defense of the Individual, the Gisha Legal Center for Freedom of Movement, the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, Physicians for Human Rights and the Adalah Legal Center, alleged that the measure was an act of vengeance, forbidden during hostilities according to international law, and that all Gazan laborers had been admitted into Israel and received work permits following “diligent screening” by Israel’s security.

 

Yes, and?

29 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Well Bud, here some facts and figures that might surprise you :

 

Gaza's media office reports that more than 12,000 tonnes of explosives have been used on Gaza since October 7, almost equal to the 15,000 tonnes of TNT used in the atomic bomb that the US dropped on Hiroshima in 1945. The Gaza strip is almost 3 times smaller than the city of Hiroshima.

 

Actually, I think that is infinitely more TNT used than in the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, which likely saved 50-100K American and Allied lives. 

 

Three times smaller....

 

Dude, you are a laugh riot. 

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Hey Buddy! Have you found the link to support your claim that Israel has killed over a million innocent Palestinians since the 7th yet? 

 

What about your claim that the UK was sending a WW1 aircraft carrier. anything on that yet? 

 

Still waiting...

As much chance of me speaking fluent Thai in six Months Yellow Tail, he couldn't back a car up never mind back up a stupid comment.

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Hey Buddy! Have you found the link to support your claim that Israel has killed over a million innocent Palestinians since the 7th yet? 

 

What about your claim that the UK was sending a WW1 aircraft carrier. anything on that yet? 

 

Still waiting...

 

RFA Argus has an aircraft lift...but since they hired Bud it's only used as elevator for unions and potato's.

10 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No, remember he changed it to the WW1 aircraft carrier of the same name, remember? 

lol.

2 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

RFA Argus has an aircraft lift...but since they hired Bud it's only used as elevator for unions and potato's.

What are Unions ??

Give it up Bud your digging a bigger hole for yourself. Your just being Mocked now.

14 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

No sides, eh?

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1309894-the-gaza-diplomacy-of-biden-sunak-and-co-seems-to-be-heading-for-failure/page/10/#comment-18448864

Yep, I'm a anti-Zionist and your problem is?

11 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

The RFA Argus ship's namesake is HMS Argus, an aircraft carrier painted with 'dazzle' camouflage built during the First World War.

Yeah, and you lied and said the UK was sending it!

 

hilarious! 

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

Yep, I'm a anti-Zionist and your problem is?

So, you want Israel eradicated, correct? 

This is your last chance of redemption and a willing participant in this Thread. Will you accept that Hamas steals fuel and stores it for their Rockets? yes or no. Thinl slowly and thoughtfully before you Answer.

23 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I have not got any side in this, and have on every occasion condemned Hamas as terrorists, what your not getting is death and injury on either side is wrong, except it seems if it comes from the Israeli's in an act of revenge on the whole of the Palestinian people, that is what I object too.

And what your not getting is that none of this would be happening without the barbaric intervention of the Palestinian terrorists, Israel has every right as a civilised nation to defend itself and more importantly to make sure that these barbaric sick animals never have the chance to repeat their atrocities! 

Just now, Yellowtail said:

So, you want Israel eradicated, correct? 

Not at all, I'm more than happy to see Israel be the greatest nation on earth but not at the expense of the rest of Humanity.

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Yep, I'm a anti-Zionist and your problem is?

 

That comment was about Jews. It echoes antisemitic tropes.

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Not at all, I'm more than happy to see Israel be the greatest nation on earth but not at the expense of the rest of Humanity.

 

So it's Israel vs. the rest of humanity, in your mind? Not just the Palestinians?

Just now, Wobblybob said:

And what your not getting is that none of this would be happening without the barbaric intervention of the Palestinian terrorists, Israel has every right as a civilised nation to defend itself and more importantly to make sure that these barbaric sick animals never have the chance to repeat their atrocities! 

Sigh, and what your not getting is if Israel had not acted the way they have for the last however many years towards Palestinians and any Arabs for that matter none of this might be occurring now. You reap what you sow.

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Sigh, and what your not getting is if Israel had not acted the way they have for the last however many years towards Palestinians and any Arabs for that matter none of this might be occurring now. You reap what you sow.

 

Sure. The Palestinians and the Arabs wanted peace and then....or not.

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

Sigh, and what your not getting is if Israel had not acted the way they have for the last however many years towards Palestinians and any Arabs for that matter none of this might be occurring now. You reap what you sow.

All our yesterdays..... Yada yada yada. All you guys do is pick a date on the calendar that suits your dialogue.... Truly boring! 

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

So it's Israel vs. the rest of humanity, in your mind? Not just the Palestinians?

Your words not mine.

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

That comment was about Jews. It echoes antisemitic tropes.

In your mind maybe, in mine I have no feelings towards any religion as to me that is the cause of the majority of the worlds problems.

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

In your mind maybe, in mine I have no feelings towards any religion as to me that is the cause of the majority of the worlds problems.

 

No, not in my mind. Yours.

People that go on about Jews controlling the World, the Media, about Jewish money - it's pretty clear what they are.

Just now, Morch said:

 

No, not in my mind. Yours.

People that go on about Jews controlling the World, the Media, about Jewish money - it's pretty clear what they are.

What's that then, truthful?

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

What's that then, truthful?

 

Antisemitic.

5 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Your words not mine.

In your mind maybe, in mine I have no feelings towards any religion as to me that is the cause of the majority of the worlds problems.

Anti-Zionism as Antisemitism: How Anti-Zionist Language from the Left and Right Vilifies Jews | ADL

6 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

All our yesterdays..... Yada yada yada. All you guys do is pick a date on the calendar that suits your dialogue.... Truly boring! 

Lol, truth hurts don't it?

43 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I have not got any side in this, and have on every occasion condemned Hamas as terrorists, what your not getting is death and injury on either side is wrong, except it seems if it comes from the Israeli's in an act of revenge on the whole of the Palestinian people, that is what I object too.

What is your solution to the Hamas October 7 terrorist attack? How would you stop another attack?

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

Lol, truth hurts don't it?

When the argument is lost you come out with a puerile reply, go away and stop wasting other posters time with your prehistoric nonsense! 

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

What is your solution to the Hamas October 7 terrorist attack? How would you stop another attack?

The million dollar question, no idea, let greater minds than ours sort that one out, 75 years and counting hasn't come up with a solution so I can't see one coming any time soon.

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

What is your solution to the Hamas October 7 terrorist attack? How would you stop another attack?

It's his position that Israel reaped what they sowed, so it's all good. 

 

He has nothing against Jews, he's just an anti-Zionist.