35 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

Isn't it the truth? Have you ever seen a map of what Israel was in 1946 and what it is now? 

Israel wasn't even founded until 1948.

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Israel wasn't even founded until 1948.

yes professor thanks

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Israel wasn't even founded until 1948.

  

3 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

yes professor thanks

my point is, captain obvious, that they went from 0% to own all the territory there but oc you are so brainwashed not to see it

Just now, Lacrimas said:

  

my point is, captain obvious that they want from 0% to own all the territory there but oc you are so brainwashed not to see it

I see the UN created a partition with two states. The Jews accepted it. Multiple Arab countries immediately attacked.

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8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I see the UN created a partition with two states. The Jews accepted it. Multiple Arab countries immediately attacked.

and you didn't notice that partition increased in favor of the jews over the years with the palestines living in ghettos now?

58 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

To him and his three or four mates here, it is.

So you have just given your support to a comment about what Israel has been doing to Palestine since 1946. Considering that the state of Israel was only created in May 1948, your astonishing lack of knowledge about a topic  that you have to date posted 214 comments about on this thread alone, is absolutely breathtaking ….

3 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

and you didn't notice that partition increased in favor of the jews over the years with the palestines living in ghettos now?

Nothing prevented the Palestinians from accepting the Partition plan.

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

Nothing prevented the Palestinians from accepting the Partition plan.

the plan to have 2 million people live in the gaza ghetto? that would have been quite foolish to accept or perhaps they were deceived?

Just now, Lacrimas said:

the plan to have 2 million people live in the gaza ghetto? that would have been quite foolish to accept or perhaps they were deceived?

The Partition plan. As in 1947.

Offered a country and independence, they refused.

There were no two million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip then, of course.

1 minute ago, Morch said:

The Partition plan. As in 1947.

Offered a country and independence, they refused.

There were no two million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip then, of course.

since the UN felt so generous why they didn't give them a piece of Germany? instead of an ancestral home inhabited only by muslims for centuries? OC they refused, accept a plan that involves giving others your home for nothing, what a great deal.

The Western powers now instigated three proxy conflicts,

Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. When will the West mind its

own business and go home.

1 minute ago, Lacrimas said:

since the UN felt so generous why they didn't give them a piece of Germany? instead of an ancestral home inhabited only by muslims for centuries? OC they refused, accept a plan that involves giving others your home for nothing, what a great deal.

There was a partition plan offered. The Palestinian rejected it. This led to their current predicament.

They could have been pragmatic, build their state and take it from there. Could have even tried to attack Israel from a better position down the line and get it all. If, as you seem to imply, they went for all-or-nothing, then maybe they need to come to terms with the result of that choice.

5 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

since the UN felt so generous why they didn't give them a piece of Germany? instead of an ancestral home inhabited only by muslims for centuries? OC they refused, accept a plan that involves giving others your home for nothing, what a great deal.

Study some history before making ignorant comments or even just read this thread . 

   The Jewish Temple of David in Jerusalem was built by Jews over 3000 years ago and Jews have lived there constantly since then , Islam came along some 1600 years later .

   

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Study some history before making ignorant comments or even just read this thread . 

   The Jewish Temple of David in Jerusalem was built by Jews over 3000 years ago and Jews have lived there constantly since then , Islam came along some 1600 years later .

   

lol and you didn't care about it for centuries btw the jews written history is gonna be a bit biased don't you think?

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

There was a partition plan offered. The Palestinian rejected it. This led to their current predicament.

They could have been pragmatic, build their state and take it from there. Could have even tried to attack Israel from a better position down the line and get it all. If, as you seem to imply, they went for all-or-nothing, then maybe they need to come to terms with the result of that choice.

this was an interesting discussion, thanks!

1 minute ago, Lacrimas said:

lol and you didn't care about it for centuries

I wasn't even born centuries ago, so I suppose what you say is technically correct .

   Although the Temple of David has always been the most (and only ) sacred site for Jews , the land was taken by various different peoples and Jews banished from their land .

   Palestinians  are the latest peoples who want to banish Jews from their land and keep it for themselves .

5 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

this was an interesting discussion, thanks!

It was a basic history lesson for beginners , which you really should familiarise yourself with before joining in with the discussion .

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

It was a basic history lesson for beginners , which you really should familiarise yourself with before joining in with the discussion .

LOL you are so pretentious and full of yourself for being someone that only reads one side of the story. But good thing, being so simple minded helps living a happy live. Have a good night sir!  

4 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

LOL you are so pretentious and full of yourself for being someone that only reads one side of the story. But good thing, being so simple minded helps living a happy live. Have a good night sir!  

It does get rather tiring going back to basics every few pages , explaining to some people that Jews didn't originate in Eastern Europe and they didn't  decide to move to Israel after WW2  because the climate was warmer .

  "Shalom Avi, these Polish winters are freezing cold , lets move somewhere a bit warmer , that Palestine place looks nice and hot , lets retire and live there * 

41 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

lol and you didn't care about it for centuries btw the jews written history is gonna be a bit biased don't you think?

That statement is so nonsensical as to render me speechless.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Israel wasn't even founded until 1948.

THE UN welcomed Israel as a member 8 months after Israeli terrorists had murdered the UN mediator.

Rewarding terrorists with their own state, i.e creating a terrorist state, has proven to be not a good policy.

1 hour ago, Lacrimas said:

and you didn't notice that partition increased in favor of the jews over the years with the palestines living in ghettos now?

I noticed that the Arabs were offered states multiple times over the years, always rejected them, and always opted for violence. I think the greater Arab world refused to integrate the original 400,000 displaced Arabs and encouraged them to cling to the delusion that someday they would erase Israel creating eternal refugees. Do you think the Jews should have just committed suicide? 

1 hour ago, Lacrimas said:

the plan to have 2 million people live in the gaza ghetto? that would have been quite foolish to accept or perhaps they were deceived?

The original displaced Arabs not known as Palestinians back then were only about 400,000. Many of them were recent migrants from what are now OTHER countries such as Jordan. More recent than the Zionist pioneers.  When "Palestinians" for example moved to Lebanon after Israel was created, Lebanon stuck them in camps, never integrating them. Was that Israel's fault that the Arab would used them as pawns? 

As far as two million in Gaza, how many of those people NOW have keys to houses back in Israel? Come on man, normal people MOVE ON.

9 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

THE UN welcomed Israel as a member 8 months after Israeli terrorists had murdered the UN mediator.

Rewarding terrorists with their own state, i.e creating a terrorist state, has proven to be not a good policy.

Sounds like you're cherry picking a detail. Nobody is saying that Zionists were always angels either. But neither were the British colonialists ruling the Mandate. Such as when they turned away ships of Jewish refugees. 

50 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I wasn't even born centuries ago, so I suppose what you say is technically correct .

   Although the Temple of David has always been the most (and only ) sacred site for Jews , the land was taken by various different peoples and Jews banished from their land .

   Palestinians  are the latest peoples who want to banish Jews from their land and keep it for themselves .

Yes, the Jewish people are indigenous to Israel. Most were indeed driven away and created a diaspora which exists to this day, although most in Europe were exterminated. 

1 hour ago, talahtnut said:

The Western powers now instigated three proxy conflicts,

Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. When will the West mind its

own business and go home.

Sounds like something Putin would say.

1 hour ago, Lacrimas said:

since the UN felt so generous why they didn't give them a piece of Germany? instead of an ancestral home inhabited only by muslims for centuries? OC they refused, accept a plan that involves giving others your home for nothing, what a great deal.

No. There were already Jews in the British Mandate. Zionist pioneers had been there already for many decades and they had bought (not stole) most of the original lands that they settled from Arabs. 

Good that you recognize that Israel IS the ancestral land of the Jews.

So you would have wanted to stick the Jews in Germany of all places after the holocaust? That's perverted.

Also there was never a Palestinian state.

At the time Israel was created the area was a British mandate (much much larger) and before that a Turkish one (Ottoman Empire).

That's why the idea of Palestinian Arabs as a distinctive identity from Arabs say in Syria or Jordan didn't exist until Israel existed. 

13 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

THE UN welcomed Israel as a member 8 months after Israeli terrorists had murdered the UN mediator.

Rewarding terrorists with their own state, i.e creating a terrorist state, has proven to be not a good policy.

The mediator in question was Folke Bernadotte and he was assassinated after Israel came into being .

   Israel the Country came first , Folke was then assassinated by the Lehi  gang .

  After the Folke assassination, the Israeli Movement classified Lehi as a terror organisation and the group members were arrested and jailed .

   The reality is rather different to the story that you told 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The mediator in question was Folke Bernadotte and he was assassinated after Israel came into being .

   Israel the Country came first , Folke was then assassinated by the Lehi  gang .

  After the Folke assassination, the Israeli Movement classified Lehi as a terror organisation and the group members were arrested and jailed .

   The reality is rather different to the story that you told 

Interesting.

I wasn't aware of that history before.

But at the end of the day, Israel did become a state, and the Arab world (plus Iran etc.) has been absurdly slow in simply ACCEPTING that geopolitical reality.