ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Morch]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Of course, they need human shields. Cowards, still firing their rockets into Israel from within Gaza while the civilians provide cover.

They need a large casualty list, preferably with as many heart wrenching human stories and pictures, so that when the fighting ends they could claim to be the victim. Also, the more casualties and destruction, the more foreign aid pouring into the Gaza Strip - this both assures the population is pacified for a time, and helps fill Hamas coffers too.

[Jeff the Chef]

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

They need a large casualty list, preferably with as many heart wrenching human stories and pictures, so that when the fighting ends they could claim to be the victim. Also, the more casualties and destruction, the more foreign aid pouring into the Gaza Strip - this both assures the population is pacified for a time, and helps fill Hamas coffers too.

Hamas can never claim to be victims, in any of this, but you're probably right about the end game, foreign aid will flood in and before long another atrocity will occur.

The sad thing is nobody is willing to stop the bus, which is what boils my P 

[Morch]

Putin: Gaza incursion would lead to ‘unacceptable’ casualties

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/putin-gaza-incursion-would-lead-to-unacceptable-casualties/

 

Putin shows his little known soft side. He truly cares.

No shame on some people.

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Morch

[3NUMBAS]

guess they are listening in the radio calls and then demolish the tower  phones are out of order ,the towers are over the tunnels deep down

[3NUMBAS]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

Putin: Gaza incursion would lead to ‘unacceptable’ casualties

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/putin-gaza-incursion-would-lead-to-unacceptable-casualties/

 

Putin shows his little publicly known soft side. He truly cares.

No shame on some people.

 

except for his own  guys who are cannon fodder

[Jingthing]

36 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Arguing historical facts is a waste of time.

Ask yourselves how this war will end.

It will end with a piece of paper,

on which can only be two clearly defined states.

The State of Israel and the State of Palestine.

Both parties must make concessions.

You're tripping.

That's a million miles away.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

39 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Arguing historical facts is a waste of time.

Ask yourselves how this war will end.

It will end with a piece of paper,

on which can only be two clearly defined states.

The State of Israel and the State of Palestine.

Both parties must make concessions.

Phone number of your dealer please; I can't get anything that good around here 

[MikeandDow]

1 hour ago, kalasiner said:

Thanks, Jeff the Chef.

Very sad. In itself, and the fact that that so many continue to give unconditional support to a state that acts so atrociously.

so u support what !!! 

[rabas]

1 hour ago, Lorry said:

On 10/11/2023 at 4:12 PM, rabas said:

Or the people in Gaza they warn to leave target areas in Gaza?

Israel just warned a million people to leave the target areas in Gaza.

And Hamas told them to stay and die, as leaders sit in safety. I hope they ask themselves who their friend is.

 

Anyway, Israel has been warning them all long about target areas via leaflets and social media. The new one million figure is for civilians to move south out of  the path of the impending ground offensive. I do feel sorry for all who suffer though.

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, talahtnut said:

Arguing historical facts is a waste of time.

Ask yourselves how this war will end.

It will end with a piece of paper,

on which can only be two clearly defined states.

The State of Israel and the State of Palestine.

Both parties must make concessions.

????

[novacova]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

This whole attack was a failure and a defeat for Israel , failure on all fronts . 

   Mossad, IDF , every aspect was a failure .

Not as simple as that, given the possibly of a development of a recent blind spot and restraints in the IDF cyber security system…

[Morch]

I've read various snippets (trying to find a more comprehensive piece I can link) that the IDF current worry is that Hamas will try to organize Gazan civilian convoys, parades, protests marching on toward the border - for the propaganda value that's in it.

 

I'm not sure it's an actual possibility, with the chaos and mayhem being what they are, and the time frame not too long (Gaza is 4-5 hours earlier than here).

 

 

[Thorgal]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

They need a large casualty list, preferably with as many heart wrenching human stories and pictures, so that when the fighting ends they could claim to be the victim. Also, the more casualties and destruction, the more foreign aid pouring into the Gaza Strip - this both assures the population is pacified for a time, and helps fill Hamas coffers too.

I think the IDF needs more US military aid isn't it? 

 

Hamas just proved with their flip flop combat tactics that US military budget was under-rated.

 

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

I think the IDF needs more US military aid isn't it? 

 

Hamas just proved with their flip flop combat tactics that US military budget was under-rated.

 

Nope. But you could write your senator and ask him to introduce such a bill.

It was a combo of hubris, complacency, political considerations, and misreading the intelligence signs on Israel side.

It was careful preparation, patience and a good disinformation campaign on the Hamas's side.

 

Israel will probably get extra budget for munitions when this is over, though.

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[Yagoda]

Unfortunately, the psychological (they are set forth in the DSM) and intellectual deficiencies of the Jew Hater are beyond the scope of this topic. Wherever you find a thread in a discussion board about Israel, they pop up because thats their life, got to broadcast that Jew hatred. Comments on News Articles are just as bad, with all the coded words gleaned from 100 years of conspiracy theory and Stormfront. Politics make it worse, because Israel is a symbol of the capitalist west, an alliance of two of the most murderous ideologies (Marxism/Naziism) with Islamonaziis.

 

The anonymous nature of the net permits this, because in polite society one generally keeps ones mouth shut, unless one doesnt care what normal, decent human beings think. Here in the USA, blatant Jew Hating is like 11 losers standing around Siegheiling, or convicts with Swastika, or privileged students shocking Mommy and Daddy, or the Islamonazis spitting in the face of the country that lets them act like fools.

 

Im a good old American boy. Jew haters or indeed any criminals don't scare me, thats what carry permits are for. To me, I could care less what the Izzies do, thats not my country or my people. On the other hand,  25 Americans are dead and a bunch are being held hostages. I myself, a person that lives most of the time in SE Asia, wants to know my government will protect me. I dont want to be fair game. Thus, as far as I am concerned, we, the USA, should send in the Marines so to speak. That includes Iran. End this bull<deleted> in this part of the world. You don't mess with American citizens. The Shores of Tripoli, redux

 

War is hell. Don't start one.

 

PS: Ask the Terrorist apologists here if they think the Jews have too much influence in the world, not that they would answer honestly since your basic Jew Hater is usually a coward.

 

 

[MrMojoRisin]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Gross disingenuous distortion. 

How so?

[MrMojoRisin]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Unfortunately, the psychological (they are set forth in the DSM) and intellectual deficiencies of the Jew Hater are beyond the scope of this topic. Wherever you find a thread in a discussion board about Israel, they pop up because thats their life, got to broadcast that Jew hatred. Comments on News Articles are just as bad, with all the coded words gleaned from 100 years of conspiracy theory and Stormfront. Politics make it worse, because Israel is a symbol of the capitalist west, an alliance of two of the most murderous ideologies (Marxism/Naziism) with Islamonaziis.

 

The anonymous nature of the net permits this, because in polite society one generally keeps ones mouth shut, unless one doesnt care what normal, decent human beings think. Here in the USA, blatant Jew Hating is like 11 losers standing around Siegheiling, or convicts with Swastika, or privileged students shocking Mommy and Daddy, or the Islamonazis spitting in the face of the country that lets them act like fools.

 

Im a good old American boy. Jew haters or indeed any criminals don't scare me, thats what carry permits are for. To me, I could care less what the Izzies do, thats not my country or my people. On the other hand,  25 Americans are dead and a bunch are being held hostages. I myself, a person that lives most of the time in SE Asia, wants to know my government will protect me. I dont want to be fair game. Thus, as far as I am concerned, we, the USA, should send in the Marines so to speak. That includes Iran. End this bull<deleted> in this part of the world. You don't mess with American citizens. The Shores of Tripoli, redux

 

War is hell. Don't start one.

 

PS: Ask the Terrorist apologists here if they think the Jews have too much influence in the world, not that they would answer honestly since your basic Jew Hater is usually a coward.

 

 

IMHO the vast majority of those labelled as "Jew haters" are nothing of the sort. I would dare say that the number of genuine "Jew haters" in the world is probably at the lowest level it has ever been since the end of WW2 and it is continuing on a steep downward trend. There are however a growing number of decent people that are horrified at what the state of Israel has done and continues to do to the Palestinians. The actions of the state of Israel are indefensible which leaves Israeli apologists but one option - to label anyone who dares speak the truth as a"Jew hater" to shut down the debate. Criticising Israel for its atrocities against Palestinians does not make one a "Jew hater" it irrefutably proves that one is a decent human being.

[Elkski]

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I recommend reading Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel by Alison Weir.

Thanks.  I may read it but would it change or strengthen my current  opinion? 

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20919295-against-our-better-judgment

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, Elkski said:

Can you dispute this influence with facts?    You actually just proved one of my points.  You can't even question anything about Israel. 

https://forward.com/news/462330/enough-for-a-minyan-a-jewish-whos-who-of-bidens-cabinet-to-be/

No you proved one of mine. The mere fact that a person may have a Jewish name doesnt mean that he or she is working for Israel against the world. The fact that you even suspect that proves my point.

 

They all dont stick together against the goyim, depsite what you may read.

 

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

19 minutes ago, Elkski said:

Through the years we have watched Israel kill and evict Palestinians.   I've never understood how the World could think this was ok

Just to get a sense of balance as to what you have watched. Did you watch how the Palestinian government sent terrorists into Israel to slaughter 260 young kids at a peace festival with machine guns, then go from house to house slaughtering entire families while they slept; did you watch how the brave soldiers of the Palestinian government slaughtered 40 small babies, slitting the throats of some, and afterwards, rape and kill some civilian women, strip them naked and take them back to Gaza to parade them through the streets on the back of pick up trucks to the jeering of thousands of locals

 

…. asking for a friend that was interested in what you have watched … thanks

[MrMojoRisin]

2 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Just to get a sense of balance as to what you have watched. Did you watch how the Palestinian government sent terrorists into Israel to slaughter 260 young kids at a peace festival with machine guns, then go from house to house slaughtering entire families while they slept; did you watch how the brave soldiers of the Palestinian government slaughtered 40 small babies, slitting the throats of some, and afterwards, rape and kill some civilian women, strip them naked and take them back to Gaza to parade them through the streets on the back of pick up trucks to the jeering of thousands of locals

 

…. asking for a friend that was interested in what you have watched … thanks

The death toll of this decades old conflict is in excess of 10 to 1.

That is more than 10 Palestinians dead for each Israeli.

 

The current situation - as of right now 447 Palestinian babies have been killed by Israeli bombs dropped in the last few days.

 

What sort of human being can express grief and sympathy for one group of babies but discount another as mere collateral damage simply because of their birth place, religion or skin colour.

 

Such people are worse than the Hamas terrorists.

[NickyLouie]

Just now, MrMojoRisin said:

 

 

What sort of human being can express grief and sympathy for one group of babies but discount another as mere collateral damage simply because of their birth place, religion or skin colour.

 

Such people are worse than the Hamas terrorists.

None actually, it is a very dark place Hamas chose to go.

Very Dark.

[MrMojoRisin]

2 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

None actually, it is a very dark place Hamas chose to go.

Very Dark.

?

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The death toll of this decades old conflict is in excess of 10 to 1.

That is more than 10 Palestinians dead for each Israeli.

 

The current situation - as of right now 447 Palestinian babies have been killed by Israeli bombs dropped in the last few days.

 

What sort of human being can express grief and sympathy for one group of babies but discount another as mere collateral damage simply because of their birth place, religion or skin colour.

 

Such people are worse than the Hamas terrorists.

Worse than the Hamas terrorists who carried out a barbaric attack which they knew will lead to their own people being bombed. Sure.

 

Because, everyone knows that posting or not posting something on the Internet is much much worse than actually killing innocents.

 

Gotta love the faux moral outrage.

[Yagoda]

On 10/10/2023 at 7:58 PM, Hanaguma said:

Define "occupation" and "Palestine". Because Israel hasn't occupied Gaza for a long time. 

These are not people seeking a political settlement to a problem. They have been raised from birth on poisonous propaganda, taught that their enemy (Jews) are less than human, and get paid when their children die in suicide attacks. How do you negotiate with someone whose default position is "you and everyone like you has to die"?

And Americans too. Never forget that. They will kill us with glee. They have. 

[MrMojoRisin]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

Worse than the Hamas terrorists who carried out a barbaric attack which they knew will lead to their own people being bombed. Sure.

 

Because, everyone knows that posting or not posting something on the Internet is much much worse than actually killing innocents.

 

Gotta love the faux moral outrage.

Yep, worse.

[MrMojoRisin]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

And Americans too. Never forget that. They will kill us with glee. They have. 

Americans have committed a few sins in the Arab world though, haven't they?

Bit of a thirst for oil that you don't mind spilling a bit of Arab blood for eh?

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

The death toll of this decades old conflict is in excess of 10 to 1.

That is more than 10 Palestinians dead for each Israeli.

 

The current situation - as of right now 447 Palestinian babies have been killed by Israeli bombs dropped in the last few days.

 

What sort of human being can express grief and sympathy for one group of babies but discount another as mere collateral damage simply because of their birth place, religion or skin colour.

 

Such people are worse than the Hamas terrorists.

Thats the Rules of War, its splitting hairs I agree but war is hell.. Don't start wars, especially one you cant win.

 

And I am only discounting babies as collateral damage because unfortunately, they have been placed in the field of fire by Hamas. Im sure we will have pages now discussing that fact.  

 

PS: 25 Americans dead, clearly you arent a Yank. Go Israel go.

[Chomper Higgot]

Hamas gives up all pretense that it isn’t seeking a high Palestinian body count:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/13/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-news-gaza-palestine-evacuations-military