10 hours ago, Paul Catton said:

Not denial, not rhetoric either, advise where the corresponding video or images of beheading or sadistic throat slashing are, as similar to Uncle Joe, we all have seen them, but we haven't.

Joe never saw videos, he's lying. Bring back Trump quickly. 

2 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

says Israeli civilians were “undoubtedly” killed by their own security forces.

Oh dear. 

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Joe never saw videos, he's lying. Bring back Trump quickly. 

The earliest possible to "bring back" that criminally corrupt insurrectionist con man is January 2025 unless you're like a typical trumpist that wants to burn the constitution (except for the 2nd amendment). 

18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The earliest possible to "bring back" that criminally corrupt insurrectionist con man is January 2025 unless you're like a typical trumpist that wants to burn the constitution (except for the 2nd amendment). 

I'm not a Trumpist. Not all are polarised. 

This thread is not so much derailed rather, like some 1960s children's cartoon from American TV, the train has left the tracks and is rampaging bizarrely down divergent roads!

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4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

These 1948 refugees would have lived in Egyptian controlled Gaza for 20 years, and thereafter in the Egyptian culture of Gaza.

 

Not the same as the West Bank Palestinians.

This whole concept of 'Egyptian culture of Gaza' is a bit inflated. There differences are not all that great anyway. The 20 years claim would actually undermine your argument, considering both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have been controlled by Israel for a longer period of time.

 

Regardless, in effect there is no such clear divide as you suggest, at least not in the political sense. Gazans may have a sense of local identity, but it's not like there's some general sentiment that they are a separate people. More like how people from different provinces may feel about things, perhaps.

 

 

 

Over 1,000 children killed in Gaza now. 

Not surprisingly some of the Israeli supporters are quiet. 

Amnesty International shares proof on Israel's use of white phosphorus in Gaza

Dropping this on innocent children is so bad. 

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/amnesty-international-shares-proof-on-israels-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-gaza/3020340

12 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Over 1,000 children killed in Gaza now. 

Not surprisingly some of the Israeli supporters are quiet. 

Do you support the actions taken by Hamas on Saturday 7th October 2023, which are the actions that are directly responsible for the tragic death of these young children ??

 

Do you also have enough clarity of thought to understand that the actions taken by Hamas on that day were done deliberately to bring death and destruction on their own people, in order to make them involuntary martyrs for their propaganda machine …….. I didn't think so.

What Is Not Antisemitic?

1. As a general rule, criticism of Zionism and Israel, opposition to Israel’s policies, or nonviolent political action directed at the State of Israel and/or its policies should not, as such, be deemed antisemitic.
2. Even contentious, strident, or harsh criticism of Israel for its policies and actions, including those that led to the creation of Israel, is not per se illegitimate or antisemitic.
3. Opposition to Zionism and/or Israel does not necessarily reflect specific anti-Jewish animus nor purposefully lead to antisemitic behaviors and conditions. (For example, someone might oppose the principle of nationalism or ethnonationalist ideology. Similarly, someone’s personal or national experience may have been adversely affected by the creation of the State of Israel. These motivations or attitudes towards Israel and/or Zionism do not necessarily constitute antisemitic behavior.)
4. Paying disproportionate attention to Israel and treating Israel differently than other countries is not prima facie proof of antisemitism. (There are numerous reasons for devoting special attention to Israel and treating Israel differently, e.g., some people care about Israel more; others may pay more attention because Israel has a special relationship with the United States and receives $4 billion in American aid).

 

 

https://israelandantisemitism.com/the-nexus-document/

17 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What Is Not Antisemitic?

1. As a general rule, criticism of Zionism and Israel, opposition to Israel’s policies, or nonviolent political action directed at the State of Israel and/or its policies should not, as such, be deemed antisemitic.
2. Even contentious, strident, or harsh criticism of Israel for its policies and actions, including those that led to the creation of Israel, is not per se illegitimate or antisemitic.
3. Opposition to Zionism and/or Israel does not necessarily reflect specific anti-Jewish animus nor purposefully lead to antisemitic behaviors and conditions. (For example, someone might oppose the principle of nationalism or ethnonationalist ideology. Similarly, someone’s personal or national experience may have been adversely affected by the creation of the State of Israel. These motivations or attitudes towards Israel and/or Zionism do not necessarily constitute antisemitic behavior.)
4. Paying disproportionate attention to Israel and treating Israel differently than other countries is not prima facie proof of antisemitism. (There are numerous reasons for devoting special attention to Israel and treating Israel differently, e.g., some people care about Israel more; others may pay more attention because Israel has a special relationship with the United States and receives $4 billion in American aid).

 

 

https://israelandantisemitism.com/the-nexus-document/

Did Hamas read that before they went on a massacre, murdering, torturing and kidnapping kids and civilians?

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Did Hamas read that before they went on a massacre, murdering, torturing and kidnapping kids and civilians?

Why are you asking me?

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Why are you asking me?

Yes, asking you directly. You felt it appropriate enough to post the Nexus Document for some reason, something that is irrelevant to the attacks by Hamas who's sole objective is to wipe out every Jew.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes, asking you directly. You felt it appropriate enough to post the Nexus Document for some reason, something that is irrelevant to the attacks by Hamas who's sole objective is to wipe out every Jew.

Well, I highly doubt it. 

 

It is totally relevant to every single person who has posted any criticism about Israel being labelled as an antisemite. 

I am trying to educate people here on the use of certain words. Ignore it if you want ???? 

 

It is possible to like/practice Judaism and dislike Israel foreign policy.  

I regularly speak to  Rabbi and enjoy getting spiritual lessons on the Kabbala. However, I will never support Israeli terrorism. They are breaking international law as I type and I will never justify that, based on my religious beliefs. 

 

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Well, I highly doubt it. 

 

It is totally relevant to every single person who has posted any criticism about Israel being labelled as an antisemite. 

I am trying to educate people here on the use of certain words. Ignore it if you want ???? 

 

It is possible to like/practice Judaism and dislike Israel foreign policy.  

I regularly speak to  Rabbi and enjoy getting spiritual lessons on the Kabbala. However, I will never support Israeli terrorism. They are breaking international law as I type and I will never justify that, based on my religious beliefs. 

 

Yes I highly doubt it too. Especially since they are continuing to fire their rockets from residential area's in Gaza into Israel and using kids and civilians as their human shields. 

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I highly doubt it too. Especially since they are continuing to fire their rockets from residential area's in Gaza into Israel and using kids and civilians as their human shields. 

Do you really expect them not to fight back? Jeez. 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I highly doubt it too. Especially since they are continuing to fire their rockets from residential area's in Gaza into Israel and using kids and civilians as their human shields. 

Hamas wants to murder all Jewish people including Jewish atheists.

What country in the world would not respond militarily to terrorist massacres which Hamas recently carried out?

Why OK for every other country in the world to respond but not the one and only Jewish state?

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

 

That was very naughty.

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do you really expect them not to fight back? Jeez. 

What do you mean by "fight back" ?

They began the attacks , they fired first .

They are just continuing the attacks, rather than fighting back 

Just now, Jingthing said:

Hamas wants to murder all Jewish people including Jewish atheists.

What country in the world would not respond militarily to terrorist massacres which Hamas recently carried out?

Why OK for every other country in the world to respond but not the one and only Jewish state?

Yeah, that is very odd indeed. Also, there is a phrase that I only hear when anything to do with Israel is in the news.... is the Israeli response "proportionate"?   What does this mean exactly.  AFAIK, nobody asked the US to be careful after 9/11 and make sure to just have a "proportionate" military response.   Yet it seems that being asked for restraint after being attacked is a privilege only enjoyed by Israel.

27 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Well, I highly doubt it. 

 

It is totally relevant to every single person who has posted any criticism about Israel being labelled as an antisemite. 

I am trying to educate people here on the use of certain words. Ignore it if you want ???? 

 

Maybe you could stop going on about not being an anti semite ?

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do you really expect them not to fight back? Jeez. 

Ah yes fight back by blocking evacuation routes for civilians and firing rockets from nearby hospitals inviting retaliation.

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yeah, that is very odd indeed. Also, there is a phrase that I only hear when anything to do with Israel is in the news.... is the Israeli response "proportionate"?   What does this mean exactly.  AFAIK, nobody asked the US to be careful after 9/11 and make sure to just have a "proportionate" military response.   Yet it seems that being asked for restraint after being attacked is a privilege only enjoyed by Israel.

Don't forget that Israeli soldiers should just throw stones at Palestinians , just to make the fight fairer

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yeah, that is very odd indeed. Also, there is a phrase that I only hear when anything to do with Israel is in the news.... is the Israeli response "proportionate"?   What does this mean exactly.  AFAIK, nobody asked the US to be careful after 9/11 and make sure to just have a "proportionate" military response.   Yet it seems that being asked for restraint after being attacked is a privilege only enjoyed by Israel.

Pundits are properly mentioning that the US made big mistakes after 911 and that Israel should be careful to not copy that.

 

But alas Israel knows for certain who did the terrorism.

 

Also for Israel the terrorists are right on their ass like if the 911 terrorists had been in New Jersey. 

 

So bottom line not many lessons for Israel to learn from that as the situation is very different.

 

 

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Amnesty International shares proof on Israel's use of white phosphorus in Gaza

Dropping this on innocent children is so bad. 

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/amnesty-international-shares-proof-on-israels-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-gaza/3020340

Discussed and explained previously on this topic (or one of the parallel ones). Not illegal in all situation, dependent on actual used and circumstances.

59 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What Is Not Antisemitic?

1. As a general rule, criticism of Zionism and Israel, opposition to Israel’s policies, or nonviolent political action directed at the State of Israel and/or its policies should not, as such, be deemed antisemitic.
2. Even contentious, strident, or harsh criticism of Israel for its policies and actions, including those that led to the creation of Israel, is not per se illegitimate or antisemitic.
3. Opposition to Zionism and/or Israel does not necessarily reflect specific anti-Jewish animus nor purposefully lead to antisemitic behaviors and conditions. (For example, someone might oppose the principle of nationalism or ethnonationalist ideology. Similarly, someone’s personal or national experience may have been adversely affected by the creation of the State of Israel. These motivations or attitudes towards Israel and/or Zionism do not necessarily constitute antisemitic behavior.)
4. Paying disproportionate attention to Israel and treating Israel differently than other countries is not prima facie proof of antisemitism. (There are numerous reasons for devoting special attention to Israel and treating Israel differently, e.g., some people care about Israel more; others may pay more attention because Israel has a special relationship with the United States and receives $4 billion in American aid).

 

 

https://israelandantisemitism.com/the-nexus-document/

 

I believe you protest too much.

14 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do you really expect them not to fight back? Jeez. 

You seem to expect Israel not to.

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Don't forget that Israeli soldiers should just throw stones at Palestinians , just to make the fight fairer

Yes, and also they should remember to rape and behead their victims too.  Just to be proportionate.