‘Day of rage’ erupts across West Bank after Israeli forces attack refugee camp

[Social Media]

 

Tensions flared in the West Bank on Friday as angry and sometimes armed confrontations between Palestinians and Israeli forces took place across the occupied territory after a deadly raid by Israeli troops.

The Palestinian health ministry said 13 people including five children were killed on Thursday in the Nur Shams refugee camp near Tulkarem. Israeli media said Israeli troops used a drone before engaging in a prolonged gun battle with armed groups in the camp that left civilians and several militants dead.

 

The organisation Defence for Children International in Palestine said Israeli forces used an American-supplied Apache helicopter, which “fired a missile toward a group of Palestinian civilians, mostly children”, and prevented Palestinian ambulances from reaching the wounded.

 

Thousands from the camp attended funerals for those killed in the attack, including supporters of Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), a paramilitary offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood group. Crowds of supporters of the Islamic Jihad group chanted “revenge” and waved flags, an indication of the increasing prominence of armed groups in the West Bank.

“It’s not worth blaming the fighters or giving excuses about Hamas, or Fatah, or the Islamic Jihad being responsible for our suffering – the responsibility lies with the occupation,” said Mohammed Zuhdi, a resident of Nur Shams camp, in reference to Israeli forces.

“No one wants to die, but people get angry when they see women and children getting massacred, and they protest – then [are] killed by the Israeli army,” he said.

“I’m here to stand with my people. Even if you do nothing to the Israelis they will shoot you – no one is safe these days.”

Ahmad, a 21-year-old member of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad who joined the protests, claimed that one Israeli soldier had been killed and others injured in the raid.

“The Israeli soldiers are taking their feelings out on women and children,” he said. “I don’t know how they are planning a ground war in Gaza if they can’t enter a camp in Nur Shams.”

 

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[CanadaSam]

Leaving aside the larger issue of the actual cause(s) of the angst between Israel and Palestine, it is mind-boggling to think that there would be no retaliation for the murder of over 1000 people, many civilians, in Israel in recent days past.

 

I fear the days for many civilians (and almost all militants) in Palestine are numbered.

[Skipalongcassidy]

Son of Hamas leader breaks silence on decision to denounce terror group: 'They don't care' about Palestinians...

Why don't the Palestinians rebel against Hamas... because the jews are hated more than the terrorists... until they change their stance Palestinians will continue to die.

[tandor]

17 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Son of Hamas leader breaks silence on decision to denounce terror group: 'They don't care' about Palestinians...

Why don't the Palestinians rebel against Hamas... because the jews are hated more than the terrorists... until they change their stance Palestinians will continue to die.

all this hatred..all of the Gods of all religions have had ample time to intervene and reset the lot of them

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, CanadaSam said:

Leaving aside the larger issue of the actual cause(s) of the angst between Israel and Palestine, it is mind-boggling to think that there would be no retaliation for the murder of over 1000 people, many civilians, in Israel in recent days past.

 

I fear the days for many civilians (and almost all militants) in Palestine are numbered.

Are not over 1500 dead Palestinian children enough retaliation? How many dead Palestinians will it take to satisy the israelis? All of them?

 

Every time the israelis kill a Palestinian they create more militants,and there are plenty of Palestinians outside Palestine where the israelis can't murder them.

IMO there will be revenge on the israelis and no israeli will be safe outside israel.

 

Days of rage indeed, and all over the world.

[thaibeachlovers]

48 minutes ago, tandor said:

all this hatred..all of the Gods of all religions have had ample time to intervene and reset the lot of them

God isn't coming to save anyone. I think God gave up on humans long ago and left us to kill each other till there are no humans left.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Son of Hamas leader breaks silence on decision to denounce terror group: 'They don't care' about Palestinians...

Why don't the Palestinians rebel against Hamas... because the jews are hated more than the terrorists... until they change their stance Palestinians will continue to die.

Given the choice between accepting oppression for ever, or fighting back, which would you do?

Is it better to live as a sheeple or die as a man?

 

I can certainly agree with you that they hate every israeli.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/21/2023 at 2:27 PM, Social Media said:

“I don’t know how they are planning a ground war in Gaza if they can’t enter a camp in Nur Shams.”

A warm welcome has been made ready for the israelis in Gaza.

[CanadaSam]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

How many dead Palestinians will it take to satisy the israelis? All of them?

Your post Sir, is absolutely accurate.

 

But you need to understand that the holocaust has left an extremely deep wound in every Jew all over the world, which will take decades to heal, if ever.

 

They take every Jewish life very seriously, and anybody harming one of theirs, gets them and their compatriots wiped off the face of the Earth.

 

They take an eye for an eye, more like an eye for the eyes, nose, mouth, and more.

 

They do completely miss the point of their continued annexation and expansion of their settlements into Palestinian territory being fuel for creating militant enemies, because of the general world indifference.

 

And I fear for innocent Palestinians, because they view all Palestinians as supporting their leaders, who are militants.

 

Yes, crazy times, for a supposedly "enlighted" race, who still behave as animals (on both sides).

 

We can only hope and pray for peace, one day.

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given the choice between accepting oppression for ever, or fighting back, which would you do?

Is it better to live as a sheeple or die as a man?

 

I can certainly agree with you that they hate every israeli.

They could accept Isreals right to exist, end the hostilities and all live happily ever after , that would be the better option for them to choose

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, CanadaSam said:

 

And I fear for innocent Palestinians, because they view all Palestinians as supporting their leaders, who are militants.

 

 

Israel have stated that they are not waging war on the Palestinian people , just warring with Hamas and they asked the people to move away from the fighting area

[Nick Carter icp]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are not over 1500 dead Palestinian children enough retaliation? How many dead Palestinians will it take to satisy the israelis? All of them?

 

 

When all Hamas members have been killed and all the hostages released is a time when peace will prevail 

[CanadaSam]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israel have stated that they are not waging war on the Palestinian people , just warring with Hamas and they asked the people to move away from the fighting area

Yes, they have mouthed what they need to, to try and keep world opinion on their side.

 

But what is going on, in the front lines, show that massive civilian deaths is inevitable, as shown by them firing rockets into refugee camps where a few militants, and many more civilians are dead.

 

And this will continue till every militant (and possibly a million or more civilians) are dead, unless world leaders come up with a viable peace plan, and use their clout to enforce it.

[Wobblybob]

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are not over 1500 dead Palestinian children enough retaliation? How many dead Palestinians will it take to satisy the israelis? All of them?

Does that figure include the 500 babies that lost their lives in the Hospital that Hamas claimed Israel bombed but was infact Hamas themselves. Any reports of Israelis pulling the unborn babies out of pregnant mothers and beheading them and then the mothers. These Terrorists must be illimated and never be allowed to commit such horrific crimes that we have just witnessed in the attack on Israel, Israel is releasing a video tomorrow of these vile crimes and hopefully might quieten the anti semetic doubters. Hamas is totally to blame for these deaths on both sides, they care not who they kill! 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are not over 1500 dead Palestinian children enough retaliation? How many dead Palestinians will it take to satisy the israelis? All of them?

 

Every time the israelis kill a Palestinian they create more militants,and there are plenty of Palestinians outside Palestine where the israelis can't murder them.

IMO there will be revenge on the israelis and no israeli will be safe outside israel.

 

Days of rage indeed, and all over the world.

 

By the same token, were the death inflicted on Israeli civilians by the Hamas not enough for the Palestinians? Are their supposed feelings of revenge not satisfied? And sure, go on posting Hamas supplied, unverified casualty figures, like they are a solid fact or anything. In your book, apparently, Palestinians killing Israelis is justified and carries no consequences.

 

Somehow, you seem to think that 'reap what you sow' works only one way.

[Morch]

58 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

When all Hamas members have been killed and all the hostages released is a time when peace will prevail 

No, it won't.

 

First of all, there will be no 'all Hamas members are killed'. If Israel manages to dispatch even the majority of the Hamas military wing members, it would be an unexpected achievement. Israel will not be able and nor is it in its interest to kill all Hamas members regardless of role. Hamas is more than rockets and barbarian attacks on Israel. There's a whole civilian side to it as well.

 

I don't see how demanding the release of the hostages, and at the same time broadcasting all Hamas would be killed regardless is going to work. The only motivation remaining in such a situation is protecting the lives of Gazans, and Hamas already demonstrated its lack of interest in that.

 

And no, peace will not prevail. Not with so many deaths. Do you expect people to simply forgive and forget? That's hardly realistic. It could be achieved in some situation where the conflict is shorter, narrower in scope or conducted in a more 'gentlemanly' manner. That's not the case.

Edited October 23, 2023 by Morch

[Gandtee]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

God isn't coming to save anyone. I think God gave up on humans long ago and left us to kill each other till there are no humans left.

If there ever was a god, which I doubt. He would have realised that he was not perfect and made a grave mistake in creating humans and is keeping quiet due to loss of face.  

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, CanadaSam said:

Your post Sir, is absolutely accurate.

 

But you need to understand that the holocaust has left an extremely deep wound in every Jew all over the world, which will take decades to heal, if ever.

 

They take every Jewish life very seriously, and anybody harming one of theirs, gets them and their compatriots wiped off the face of the Earth.

 

They take an eye for an eye, more like an eye for the eyes, nose, mouth, and more.

 

They do completely miss the point of their continued annexation and expansion of their settlements into Palestinian territory being fuel for creating militant enemies, because of the general world indifference.

 

And I fear for innocent Palestinians, because they view all Palestinians as supporting their leaders, who are militants.

 

Yes, crazy times, for a supposedly "enlighted" race, who still behave as animals (on both sides).

 

We can only hope and pray for peace, one day.

Perhaps it's just me, but I fail to understand how a nation with a history like theirs can then do much the same to the Palestinians.

However, I consider humanity to be a horrid species so nothing surprises me at it's excesses.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, Gandtee said:

If there ever was a god, which I doubt. He would have realised that he was not perfect and made a grave mistake in creating humans and is keeping quiet due to loss of face.  

I do believe in God, but in the cosmic sense, so to God a species killing itself to extinction is probably no big deal. After all, in the universe entire galaxies are being swallowed by black holes, so if the human race on an insignificant planet in an insignificant solar system exterminates itself it's nothing to get exercised about ( on a cosmic scale ).

Perhaps the species that comes after us will be actually intelligent, and not consider killing itself to be a good thing.

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps it's just me, but I fail to understand how a nation with a history like theirs can then do much the same to the Palestinians.

However, I consider humanity to be a horrid species so nothing surprises me at it's excesses.

A revolting comparison from a resident apologist. To claim that Israel is carry out much the same against the Palestinians as the holocaust did to them is quiet frankly shameful. 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps it's just me, but I fail to understand how a nation with a history like theirs can then do much the same to the Palestinians.

However, I consider humanity to be a horrid species so nothing surprises me at it's excesses.

It's not 'the same'.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps it's just me, but I fail to understand how a nation with a history like theirs can then do much the same to the Palestinians.

However, I consider humanity to be a horrid species so nothing surprises me at it's excesses.

Do not ever complain that you get accused of being  an Anti Semite just for criticising the Israeli Government .

   You have made an Anti Semitic statement .

[novacova]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO there will be revenge on the israelis and no israeli will be safe outside israel.

Here’s the breakdown of this wishful thinking: Antisemitism 

 

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Days of rage indeed, and all over the world.

…and all those who agree have aligned themselves with the vision of the Nazi Party.

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1 hour ago, novacova said:

…and all those who agree have aligned themselves with the vision of the Nazi Party.

Godwin's law strikes again. 

Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies,[1] is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

[Nick Carter icp]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Godwin's law strikes again. 

Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies,[1] is an Internet adage asserting that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

This is a thread that involves Israel,  Nazi mentions were made way before the post you quoted . 

   Every thread that involved Israel always get Nazi, Holocaust, concentration camp ,Palestinian mentions 

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2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

This is a thread that involves Israel,  Nazi mentions were made way before the post you quoted . 

   Every thread that involved Israel always get Nazi, Holocaust, concentration camp ,Palestinian mentions 

If your point is that I ought to have noted these mentions in earlier posts, I haven't followed this thread from the beginning and I may have missed a few. Certainly, whether coming from the left or right or however you wish to define the issues, invocation of Nazis is over the top. On the other hand, it's bizarre that you think mention of Palestinians is somehow irrelevant.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If your point is that I ought to have noted these mentions in earlier posts, I haven't followed this thread from the beginning and I may have missed a few. Certainly, whether coming from the left or right or however you wish to define the issues, invocation of Nazis is over the top. On the other hand, it's bizarre that you think mention of Palestinians is somehow irrelevant.

 

    Everytime there's a thread about China , does Tibet get a mention ?

When there is a thread about the USA , do American Indians get a mention in the thread ?

Example: 

*Israeli man overstays his visa in Thailand*

"He should get a visa for Israel as well, because its not his Country"

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Everytime there's a thread about China , does Tibet get a mention ?

When there is a thread about the USA , do American Indians get a mention in the thread ?

Example: 

*Israeli man overstays his visa in Thailand*

"He should get a visa for Israel as well, because its not his Country"

Which is exactly the point of Godwin's Law.

[Rimmer]

Off topic posts drawing a comparison with the WW2 Holocaust have been removed

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

If your point is that I ought to have noted these mentions in earlier posts, I haven't followed this thread from the beginning and I may have missed a few. Certainly, whether coming from the left or right or however you wish to define the issues, invocation of Nazis is over the top. On the other hand, it's bizarre that you think mention of Palestinians is somehow irrelevant.

 

Sill the first page and hasn't followed it from the beginning. Hmmm...