Michael Cohen says he inflated assets to ‘whatever number Trump told us to’

[Longwood50]

On 10/28/2023 at 10:41 AM, pomchop said:

A 5 second google blows your entire "whys everybody picking on trump" argument.

You obviously can't read.  Did you notice the actions in your article were taken because there were losses. 

 

• The People of the State of New York v. Josue Aguilar Dubon, AKA Saady Dubon, AKA Alejandro Ortiz (October 2022) — Bronx business owner indicted for failing to report over $1 million in income, avoiding paying $60,000 in taxes.

allegedly defrauding over $35,000 in workers’ compensation benefits

 

 Married couple convicted of house fire insurance claim, attempting to recover the cash value of various items of property that were ostensibly lost in the fire.

Convicted for falsely claiming on a food stamps application that a young adult lived with her.

 

THE BANKS LOST NO MONEY AND DIDN'T FILE FOR ANY DAMAGE

[Longwood50]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You seem to love asset valuation fraud.

No what I have said which you seem incapable of grasping is that the bank lost no money and that NO OTHER, I REPEAT NO OTHER person was similarly targeted. 

That is weaponizing government for political not criminal behavior.  I can only explain it to you.  Obviously you are incapable of seeing the difference. 

Maybe this will be something you can comprehend.  This sailor took photos of inside a sub he worked at a "classified area"  He never showed them to the public.  He was sentenced to a year in prison. 

Hillarly Clinton violated numerous times having exposed classified material including top secret.  She got nothing.  Sandy Berger stuffed classified documents in his pants and carried them out.  He was charged with a misdemeanor. 

This is political in reverse.  Ignoring the law for some "privileged people'  

I

 

A US Navy sailor was sentenced on Friday to a year in prison for taking photos of classified areas inside a nuclear attack submarine while it was in port in Connecticut.

Kristian Saucier, of Arlington, Vermont, appeared in federal court in Bridgeport, where a judge also ordered him to serve six months of home confinement with electronic monitoring during a three-year period of supervised release after the prison time. He pleaded guilty in May to unauthorized detention of defense information and had faced five to six years in prison under federal sentencing guidelines.

 

Saucier admitted to taking six photos of classified areas inside the USS Alexandria in 2009 when it was in Groton and he was a 22-year-old machinist mate on the submarine. The photos showed the nuclear reactor compartment, the auxiliary steam propulsion panel and the maneuvering compartment, prosecutors said.

 

 

Saucier took the photos knowing they were classified, but did so only to be able to show his family and future children what he did while he was in the Navy, his lawyers said. He denied sharing the photos with any unauthorized recipient.

 

I can ou if this was not Trump how it would have played out if someone discovered that financial records at a bank used to support a loan was brought to the attention of an attorney general. I have challenged you.  Name 1 other case just 1 that the AG's office has even gone to discover what documents they submitted to the bank.  Since the bank did not complain it is clear the AG's office took it upon themselves to singularly look at the records of Trump and no other. 

If this was any other person The person at the attorney generals office, would walk into the AG's office say he wanted to bring criminal charges.  The AG would say, how much money did the bank lose.  The person would say none.  The AG would say if they lost no money why are they wanting us to file charges.  The person would say, oh the bank did not complain. The AG would say then why would we be charging them with a crime.  The person would say oh out of principle.  The AG would then reply, I think we are done here and if you bring me any more BS cases like this you can find another job. 

[Tug]

6 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

No what I have said which you seem incapable of grasping is that the bank lost no money and that NO OTHER, I REPEAT NO OTHER person was similarly targeted. 

That is weaponizing government for political not criminal behavior.  I can only explain it to you.  Obviously you are incapable of seeing the difference. 

Maybe this will be something you can comprehend.  This sailor took photos of inside a sub he worked at a "classified area"  He never showed them to the public.  He was sentenced to a year in prison. 

Hillarly Clinton violated numerous times having exposed classified material including top secret.  She got nothing.  Sandy Berger stuffed classified documents in his pants and carried them out.  He was charged with a misdemeanor. 

This is political in reverse.  Ignoring the law for some "privileged people'  

I

 

A US Navy sailor was sentenced on Friday to a year in prison for taking photos of classified areas inside a nuclear attack submarine while it was in port in Connecticut.

Kristian Saucier, of Arlington, Vermont, appeared in federal court in Bridgeport, where a judge also ordered him to serve six months of home confinement with electronic monitoring during a three-year period of supervised release after the prison time. He pleaded guilty in May to unauthorized detention of defense information and had faced five to six years in prison under federal sentencing guidelines.

 

Saucier admitted to taking six photos of classified areas inside the USS Alexandria in 2009 when it was in Groton and he was a 22-year-old machinist mate on the submarine. The photos showed the nuclear reactor compartment, the auxiliary steam propulsion panel and the maneuvering compartment, prosecutors said.

 

 

Saucier took the photos knowing they were classified, but did so only to be able to show his family and future children what he did while he was in the Navy, his lawyers said. He denied sharing the photos with any unauthorized recipient.

 

I can ou if this was not Trump how it would have played out if someone discovered that financial records at a bank used to support a loan was brought to the attention of an attorney general. I have challenged you.  Name 1 other case just 1 that the AG's office has even gone to discover what documents they submitted to the bank.  Since the bank did not complain it is clear the AG's office took it upon themselves to singularly look at the records of Trump and no other. 

If this was any other person The person at the attorney generals office, would walk into the AG's office say he wanted to bring criminal charges.  The AG would say, how much money did the bank lose.  The person would say none.  The AG would say if they lost no money why are they wanting us to file charges.  The person would say, oh the bank did not complain. The AG would say then why would we be charging them with a crime.  The person would say oh out of principle.  The AG would then reply, I think we are done here and if you bring me any more BS cases like this you can find another job. 

All of this blovating in defense of trump doesn’t change the fact that’s it’s fraud pure and simple he is what he is a fraud a liar and a cheat he’s in deep do do all of his own making 

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

You obviously can't read.  Did you notice the actions in your article were taken because there were losses. 

 

• The People of the State of New York v. Josue Aguilar Dubon, AKA Saady Dubon, AKA Alejandro Ortiz (October 2022) — Bronx business owner indicted for failing to report over $1 million in income, avoiding paying $60,000 in taxes.

allegedly defrauding over $35,000 in workers’ compensation benefits

 

 Married couple convicted of house fire insurance claim, attempting to recover the cash value of various items of property that were ostensibly lost in the fire.

Convicted for falsely claiming on a food stamps application that a young adult lived with her.

 

THE BANKS LOST NO MONEY AND DIDN'T FILE FOR ANY DAMAGE

Yep.

 

Basically, you are saying Ponzi schemes are okay until the first person loses their investment.

 

My personal opinion is that fraud in documents provided to a bank is a bad thing.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Yep.

 

Basically, you are saying Ponzi schemes are okay until the first person loses their investment.

 

My personal opinion is that fraud in documents provided to a bank is a bad thing.

But on a federal firearms form, not so much, right?

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

But on a federal firearms form, not so much, right?

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

But on a federal firearms form, not so much, right?

What on earth does hunter Biden’s gun registration form got to do with trumps fraud? Talk about whataboutism!

[rudi49jr]

18 minutes ago, Tug said:

 

What on earth does hunter Biden’s gun registration form got to do with trumps fraud? Talk about whataboutism!

Just MAGA speak. Trump is a saint and totally innocent, and those liberal commie radical left Dems are the devil incarnate. Especially Hunter Biden, more than anything else they want to see him hang. 

[Presnock]

On 10/28/2023 at 3:12 PM, pomchop said:

How many have know a few semi rich kids who had everything handed to them on a silver platter their entire lives where parents/grandparents bought them the finest schools, clothes, cars, country clubs, debutante balls, draft deferments, etc and further used their influence (bribes?) to get them special treatment and move to the front of the line.  While i am sure parents may mean well what can often result is a person who thinks his/her "success" is all because they themselves are somehow superior to others who actually had to go out and dig and scrape for their success.

 

Trump is the poster boy for a spoiled rich kid that likely would not have amounted to a hill of beans without daddy giving him the silver spoon.  His greatest "talent" was to turn that into an ability to scam people his entire life by not paying them, lying to get what he wanted and exaggerate his "importance"....he then stumbled into POTUS which he saw running for potus as the greatest free infomercial of media coverage ever.....and in this endeavor he was indeed successful beyond his wildest imagination. Obviously the more outrageous things he said the more attention he got.  Mock the crippled, dis pows and war heros and scoff at silver star families, grab women by the pxxsy , pay off porn stars, rape women, fraud after fraud, lie after lie, encourage violence over and over, and his supporters lapped it all up as it was "entertainment" on a level never before seen by a presidential candidate. Even trump never really thought there were enough gullible people to buy all his BS and actually vote him into office. 

The goal was to get a ton of free publicity to further the brand name worldwide.  For once in his life he found he was really good at something that he created.  He became the best and biggest conman in USA political history. 

 

Now he is hoping those same gullible people will continue to believe he is somehow being "persecuted" and that he has done nothing wrong, in fact just the opposite everything he has ever done or ever will do is perfect.  So lets hope his orange jump suit fits him perfectly and maybe, just maybe, some of his cult members may wake up to the fact that they got conned and the con will continue until they finally open their eyes and look at the FACTS as to his fund raising, his fraud, his criminal acts and say enough.  Admitting that you got conned by the biggest con man is not a disgrace.  It has been going on for centuries.  Some learn and avoid getting conned again.  Others are too proud or ? to ever admit the emperor has no clothes.

in my opinion, I do think that he won the 2016 election as so many Democrats voted for him instead of Hillary plus all the regular people too coming out hoping to change politics.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

11 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

You obviously can't read.  Did you notice the actions in your article were taken because there were losses. 

 

• The People of the State of New York v. Josue Aguilar Dubon, AKA Saady Dubon, AKA Alejandro Ortiz (October 2022) — Bronx business owner indicted for failing to report over $1 million in income, avoiding paying $60,000 in taxes.

allegedly defrauding over $35,000 in workers’ compensation benefits

 

 Married couple convicted of house fire insurance claim, attempting to recover the cash value of various items of property that were ostensibly lost in the fire.

Convicted for falsely claiming on a food stamps application that a young adult lived with her.

 

THE BANKS LOST NO MONEY AND DIDN'T FILE FOR ANY DAMAGE

One very simple question:

 

1. Is the act of submitting false statements of asset value on loan applications and insurance contracts fraud? 

[Danderman123]

8 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

But on a federal firearms form, not so much, right?

That's bad, too.

 

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Presnock said:

in my opinion, I do think that he won the 2016 election as so many Democrats voted for him instead of Hillary plus all the regular people too coming out hoping to change politics.

 

Nobody questions Trump's 2016 vote totals.

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Now just where did you get the fraudulent statements that Trump got a low interest rate.  How the H would you know what he did or did not receive. 

Again, point being WHY WAS HE TARGETED.

The bank did not complain.  Name 1 just 1 example where the attorney general of New York combed the records of banks seeking out a person who falsified documents given to the bank to secure a loan. 

There are none, zero, naughta.  

Black people often say the police unfairly target them for extra scrutiny.
Here in Thailand foreigners get tickets when Thai's doing the exact same thing dont.

In Trumps case he will be the only person the State of New York ever brings charges against for making false statements to a bank where the bank did not file a complaint. 

That sir is the very definition of Weaponizing Government due to politics and for no other reason. 

Why was Trump targeted?  Because he was elected to government office.

 

There are very good reasons why people in government office should not be allowed to engage in shady deals and keep their finances secret.  If you want to keep you finances secret you should stay out of government and the public eye.

 

Keeping corrupt people out of government is not weaponizing government.

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

You obviously can't read.  Did you notice the actions in your article were taken because there were losses. 

 

• The People of the State of New York v. Josue Aguilar Dubon, AKA Saady Dubon, AKA Alejandro Ortiz (October 2022) — Bronx business owner indicted for failing to report over $1 million in income, avoiding paying $60,000 in taxes.

allegedly defrauding over $35,000 in workers’ compensation benefits

 

 Married couple convicted of house fire insurance claim, attempting to recover the cash value of various items of property that were ostensibly lost in the fire.

Convicted for falsely claiming on a food stamps application that a young adult lived with her.

 

THE BANKS LOST NO MONEY AND DIDN'T FILE FOR ANY DAMAGE

So if no one is hurt there is no crime?  Does that mean that driving drunk at high speeds through school zones should be legal if nobody gets hurt?

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Presnock said:

in my opinion, I do think that he won the 2016 election as so many Democrats voted for him instead of Hillary plus all the regular people too coming out hoping to change politics.

 

And he successfully changed politics for the worse, culminating in an attempt to overthrow the 2020 election.

 

Why do people still support him?

[Yellowtail]

14 minutes ago, heybruce said:

And he successfully changed politics for the worse, culminating in an attempt to overthrow the 2020 election.

 

Why do people still support him?

Why do people still support Obama? I'm sure he did more to divide the county than anyone in history. 

[jerrymahoney]

24 minutes ago, heybruce said:

And he successfully changed politics for the worse, culminating in an attempt to overthrow the 2020 election.

 

Why do people still support him?

I don't know why -- but this ain't comforting:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[heybruce]

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why do people still support Obama? I'm sure he did more to divide the county than anyone in history. 

Wildly off-topic, but what did Obama do to divide the country, other than be a popular twice elected President who was black?

 

I don't require any attempts to overthrow elections or the government during his terms.

Edited October 30, 2023 by heybruce

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I don't know why -- but this ain't comforting:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

 

Biden is fighting wild fires around the world while Trump is crying about how unfair he is being treated.  Hopefully playing the poor-little-rich-boy victim won't play to well when we get closer to the election.

[pomchop]

12 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

You obviously can't read.  Did you notice the actions in your article were taken because there were losses. 

 

• The People of the State of New York v. Josue Aguilar Dubon, AKA Saady Dubon, AKA Alejandro Ortiz (October 2022) — Bronx business owner indicted for failing to report over $1 million in income, avoiding paying $60,000 in taxes.

allegedly defrauding over $35,000 in workers’ compensation benefits

 

 Married couple convicted of house fire insurance claim, attempting to recover the cash value of various items of property that were ostensibly lost in the fire.

Convicted for falsely claiming on a food stamps application that a young adult lived with her.

 

THE BANKS LOST NO MONEY AND DIDN'T FILE FOR ANY DAMAGE

The actions were taken because they violated the LAW...something you seem incapable of accepting in the case of trump.  

  Contrary to your idea that trump is being persecuted there were indeed many others charged and prosecuted and each one of them violated the LAW.  You don't get to rewrite the laws no matter how much you claim to be a big bank executive you still don't seem to get it that no "damage" has nothing to do with anything in this case. 

 

Typical:  Trump is being persecuted and should not be indicted for violating the law for decades because he is trump.

[Longwood50]

33 minutes ago, pomchop said:

The actions were taken because they violated the LAW...something you seem incapable of accepting in the case of trump.  

Name 1 just 1 other person the attorney general of New York has gone after for submitting what they believe are innacurate financial statements to a bank where the bank did not file a complaint. 

The attorney general singled out and targeted Trump.  It is the only person the Attorney Generals office of New York asked to examine records.  That sir is weaponizing the government against a policitcal adversary and you seem incapable of undestanding that. 

[Longwood50]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

So if no one is hurt there is no crime?  Does that mean that driving drunk at high speeds through school zones should be legal if nobody gets hurt?

That is a false equivalent.  If someone reported the drunk driver there is probable cause.  However it is patently illegal in the USA for law enforcement to target a specific person and only check his blood alcohol level while ignoring all others. 

The attorney general of New York ONLY looked at Trump.  The bank did not initiate the complaint.  They singled out Trump asked for the records, then based claims that the valuations were not correct.  First off valuations are very subjective.  One way or another THE BANK accepted them.  As a banker I can tell you we do our own due dillegence when financial statements are presented. 

So according to your "logic" and I use that term loosely it is OK for the government to seek out only one person and examine their behavior, past actions, and obtain all records to see if a crime has been committed. 

Does the book 1984 and BIG BROTHER sound familiar to you. 

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Wildly off-topic, but what did Obama do to divide the country, other than be a popular twice elected President who was black?

Really? 

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

I don't require any attempts to overthrow elections or the government during his terms.

The country was already divided long before the left tried to overthrow the 2016 election, which was in Obama's secong term, yes? 

[Longwood50]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

1. Is the act of submitting false statements of asset value on loan applications and insurance contracts fraud? 

Now according to you.  It is OK for the government to not go after all false statements but only those of its political opponents. 

The attorney general of New York did not ask the banks for a list of all loan applications to review if there were fraudulent asset values on loan applications or insurance contracts.  IT ASKED ONLY FOR TRUMPS. 

It was exactly as the the head of Stalins secret police said.  

You target the man inspect only his records and then find anything that you believe you can use to persecute him.  

Assuming Trumps asset values were inflated, the bank was being paid, hence it suffered no consequences.  Had the bank lost money and then approached the attorney generals office claiming damage, this would be a different case. 

However the AG did not search all records or a sampling of records.  It targeted Trump specifically.  That sir is weaponizing government against a political adversary. No different than if the IRS is used to subject a political opponent to an extensive audit, or order one of the regulartory agencies to examine only the operation of enterprises of a political opponent. 

Note the banks are FEDERALLY CHARTERED, but it is not the Federal Government bringing charges only the biased NY Attorney General who without any complaint did a gestapo like siezure of bank records and then without any damage to the financial institution or complaint by them brought charges. 

If you can't see the difference, I can only explain it to you, I can't help you with the understanding part. 

[sirineou]

9 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Name 1 just 1 other person the attorney general of New York has gone after for submitting what they believe are innacurate financial statements to a bank where the bank did not file a complaint. 

The attorney general singled out and targeted Trump.  It is the only person the Attorney Generals office of New York asked to examine records.  That sir is weaponizing the government against a policitcal adversary and you seem incapable of understanding that. 

Specific to NY  Maurice “Hank” Greenberg of American International Group (AIG) comes to mind  Jeffrey Keith Skilling of Enron is in there ,Honorary mention goes to Bernie Madoff: Bernie Madoff .  Bernard Ebbers of WorldCom: Worldcom Telecommunications, is another.     ,

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Now according to you.  It is OK for the government to not go after all false statements but only those of its political opponents. 

The attorney general of New York did not ask the banks for a list of all loan applications to review if there were fraudulent asset values on loan applications or insurance contracts.  IT ASKED ONLY FOR TRUMPS. 

It was exactly as the the head of Stalins secret police said.  

You target the man inspect only his records and then find anything that you believe you can use to persecute him.  

Assuming Trumps asset values were inflated, the bank was being paid, hence it suffered no consequences.  Had the bank lost money and then approached the attorney generals office claiming damage, this would be a different case. 

However the AG did not search all records or a sampling of records.  It targeted Trump specifically.  That sir is weaponizing government against a political adversary. No different than if the IRS is used to subject a political opponent to an extensive audit, or order one of the regulartory agencies to examine only the operation of enterprises of a political opponent. 

Note the banks are FEDERALLY CHARTERED, but it is not the Federal Government bringing charges only the biased NY Attorney General who without any complaint did a gestapo like siezure of bank records and then without any damage to the financial institution or complaint by them brought charges. 

If you can't see the difference, I can only explain it to you, I can't help you with the understanding part. 

The pain management simple question caused you is evident.

 

Incidentally, I have already quoted the NY Statute that Trump breached and under which this case is brought - it was  promulgated by a Republican Governor.

All you have is whataboutary and ridiculous claims of 

’Gestapo’, ‘Stalin, ‘secret police’, ‘weaponizing government’.

 

What you don’t address is the law or the fact that all the witnesses against Trump are a various mix of Republicans, his hand picked associates, his hand picked employees, his lawyers, his own children and the documents he himself authorized.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The pain management simple question caused you is evident.

 

Incidentally, I have already quoted the NY Statute that Trump breached and under which this case is brought - it was  promulgated by a Republican Governor.

All you have is whataboutary and ridiculous claims of 

’Gestapo’, ‘Stalin, ‘secret police’, ‘weaponizing government’.

 

What you don’t address is the law or the fact that all the witnesses against Trump are a various mix of Republicans, his hand picked associates, his hand picked employees, his lawyers, his own children and the documents he himself authorized.

 

 

Simple question: Is tearing the label off a mattress legal, or illegal? 

 

There are no simple questions, but there are a lot of simple-minded people asking questions. 

 

Hey, is storing classified documents in your garage legal? Yes or no. 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Simple question: Is tearing the label off a mattress legal, or illegal? 

 

There are no simple questions, but there are a lot of simple-minded people asking questions. 

 

Hey, is storing classified documents in your garage legal? Yes or no. 

But but but… whatabout?!

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Why do people still support Obama? I'm sure he did more to divide the county than anyone in history. 

Yep being resident in the White House while in possession of a black face. 
 

Many have still to get over that. 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yep being resident in the White House while in possession of a black face. 
 

Many have still to get over that. 

Well get over it. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Well get over it. 

Says grievance sufferer who inserted Obama into the thread.