At least 16 feared dead in mass shootings in US city of Lewiston, Maine

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

I would think those w/neighborhood watch groups do have less crime.  Though as shown, you are not going to stop nutters ... ever.

 

So I don't know what your silly comment was for ... oh yea, to elicit a response.   Was that good enough, tissues at the ready.  You already should know I'm pro firearms.

 

Any conversation about guns and or gun laws have been done to death.  Have a nice day.

 

R I P

You already should know I'm pro firearms.
 

Do you think civilians should be allowed to own assault rifles like an AR15? Because I think it’s completely nuts that millions of people in the US apparently (most of them legally) own some kind of assault rifle like that.

[Yellowtail]

7 hours ago, Will B Good said:

I hope people aren't going to come here and start saying guns are a problem......we all know more guns are the solution.....any idiot knows that.

As a percentage, fewer households in the US own guns than they did in 1990. 

 

I grew in southern California and most of the kids I knew had guns in the house and many had their own guns. I had a single-barrel shotgun and a bolt-action .22 repeater. 

 

The high school I went to had a rife team, and used one of the hallways as a range, with sand-bags piled up at the target end. 

 

Yeah, it's got to be the guns. 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

11 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

You already should know I'm pro firearms.
 

Do you think civilians should be allowed to own assault rifles like an AR15? Because I think it’s completely nuts that millions of people in the US apparently (most of them legally) own some kind of assault rifle like that.

And I think it's completely nuts that there are people like you that buy into that cr*p. 

 

Yet the vast majority of gun deaths in the US are handgun related. 

 

 

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[rudi49jr]

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

As a percentage, fewer households in the US own guns than they did in 1990. 

 

I grew in southern California and most of the kids I knew had guns in the house and many had their own guns. I had a single-barrel shotgun and a bolt-action .22 repeater. 

 

The high school I went to had a rife team, and used one of the hallways as a range, with sand-bags piled up at the target end. 

 

Yeah, it's got to be the guns. 

 

 

As a percentage, fewer households in the US own guns than they did in 1990.

Then explain to us simple souls how it's possible that there have been over 500 mass shootings in the US this year alone, while there are hardly any in other countries (with much stricter gun laws).

 

Like you side: yeah, it’s got to be the guns. 

 

[Dave0206]

7 hours ago, Will B Good said:

I hope people aren't going to come here and start saying guns are a problem......we all know more guns are the solution.....any idiot knows that.

Followed by now is not the time to discuss gun shooting let us pray

[rudi49jr]

4 minutes ago, Dave0206 said:

Followed by now is not the time to discuss gun shooting let us pray

Followed by “we’re not going to fix this”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/28/tim-burchett-republican-nashville-shooting

 

There is a pretty substantial majority in the US who are in favor of (much) stricter gun laws, but these gutless cowards are not going to do anything because they’re in the NRA’s pockets and/or they’re afraid to antagonize part of their gun-nut base and lose votes. Despicable.

[KhunLA]

44 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

You already should know I'm pro firearms.
 

Do you think civilians should be allowed to own assault rifles like an AR15? Because I think it’s completely nuts that millions of people in the US apparently (most of them legally) own some kind of assault rifle like that.

Almost impossible to own an assault weapon in the USA, or affordable for most folks.  AR15 (not an assault weapon/rifle) is no more dangerous than any other semi auto center fire rifle.

 

That you don't know that, or what an assault weapon'/rifle is, screams ignorance.  Educate yourself first, then come back to the conversation.

 

Please see many of the old threads on firearms, as all been discussed before.  Along with most of my thoughts & opinions.  I'm not going to repeat myself.

 

If you are a Yank, and live in the USA, you have choices,   If not, why do you care?  To answer your implied query, yes, I think anyone legally able to own a firearm, should be allowed to defend themselves, if that is their choice.

 

If you walked out of a vendor, and saw said shooter in OP, coming toward you, would you prefer to have a firearm or not?  I know my choice.  UP2U

 

Nobody has been killed with an production assault weapon since 1930s, maybe 1947, I think.   If memory serves

 

Have a nice day.

Edited October 26, 2023 by KhunLA

[Yellowtail]

16 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

As a percentage, fewer households in the US own guns than they did in 1990.

A fact you cannot dispute, so you ask:

16 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Then explain to us simple souls how it's possible that there have been over 500 mass shootings in the US this year alone, while there are hardly any in other countries (with much stricter gun laws).

Rather than even wondering whether it might be something else. 

16 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

 

Like you side: yeah, it’s got to be the guns. 

 

Indeed. More single step thinking from the left. 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Followed by “we’re not going to fix this”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/28/tim-burchett-republican-nashville-shooting

 

There is a pretty substantial majority in the US who are in favor of (much) stricter gun laws, but these gutless cowards are not going to do anything because they’re in the NRA’s pockets and/or they’re afraid to antagonize part of their gun-nut base and lose votes. Despicable.

 

Of course you have nothing at all to support any of your idiocy. 

 

Total NRA revenue is about $400 million a year. That's less than what Mark Zuckerberg donated to help elect Joe Biden. 

 

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

6 hours ago, LosLobo said:

In Australia, a country with sensible gun laws, there were no mass shootings in 2023 whereas US had over 500.

 

U.S. tops 500 mass shootings in 2023 (axios.com)

Let's not confuse mass shootings, with mass shooting 'deaths'.  In 2022, deaths from, were <60 and considering 370M population.  Chance of you dying in a mass shooting ... nuff said

 

source wiki

 

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Rather than even wondering whether it might be something else. 

What might it be then? Please enlighten us.

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

And I think it's completely nuts that there are people like you that buy into that cr*p. 

 

Yet the vast majority of gun deaths in the US are handgun related. 

 

 

There are 20 million (or more) AR15’s in circulation in the USA. In the majority of mass shootings, the AR15 is the gun that is used.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-20-million-ar-15-style-rifles-in-circulation-2022-5?international=true&r=US&IR=T
 

Still think I’m talking cr*p?

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Of course you have nothing at all to support any of your idiocy. 

 

Total NRA revenue is about $400 million a year. That's less than what Mark Zuckerberg donated to help elect Joe Biden. 

 

 

 

 

Okay, then you tell me why lawmakers are blind to what the (vast) majority of the American people want: stricter gun laws.

[KhunLA]

15 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Okay, then you tell me why lawmakers are blind to what the (vast) majority of the American people want: stricter gun laws.

Do they ?

Apparently not, or there would be.

 

Neither does either political party, dems or reps, since both controlled Congress & the presidency in recent times, and nothing changed.  So you can't say either party wants to change, or they could have easily, or at least tried to, and neither did.

[KhunLA]

32 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

There are 20 million (or more) AR15’s in circulation in the USA. In the majority of mass shootings, the AR15 is the gun that is used.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-20-million-ar-15-style-rifles-in-circulation-2022-5?international=true&r=US&IR=T
 

Still think I’m talking cr*p?

Most people are murdered with handguns, not rifles.  Few people are killed in mass shootings, <60 in 2022, see graph above.  About 1 a week, in a nation of 370M people.

 

About the same number of people that die on Thai roads, in 2 or even 1 day at times.

 

29,000+ people died falling in their home in 2021.  Much more dangerous to be home apparently.

 

Nice headliner, but try putting it in perspective.

Edited October 26, 2023 by KhunLA

[Chris Daley]

10 hours ago, Will B Good said:

I hope people aren't going to come here and start saying guns are a problem......we all know more guns are the solution.....any idiot knows that.

 

He's literally a ''gunman''?

[rudi49jr]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Most people are murdered with handguns, not rifles.  Few people are killed in mass shootings, <60 in 2022, see graph above.  About 1 a week, in a nation of 370M people

I think your math leaves a little something to be desired. This year there have been 565 mass shootings in the USA. There is no widely accepted definition of a mass shooting, but here’s a list:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2023

 

Some 650 deaths of mass shootings this year. With over two months to go.
 

Here’s the list for 2022:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022

Some 762 deaths from mass shootings. Slightly more than the less than 60 you claim. Over 14 deaths a week. Slightly more than the 1 a week you claim. Plus almost 3,000 wounded in mass shootings in 2022. 

I find your casual attitude towards mass shootings quite appalling, to be honest, downplaying the number of victims, and comparing dying in a mass shooting to dying in an accident at home. 

[brianthainess]

6 hours ago, parallelman said:

I am not going to comment on gun laws etc. because I'm not American. 22 lives lost and many injured is so very sad. I cannot understand what makes an individual decide to massacre people going about their daily routine. My sympathy to the families. 

In many cases a military background. 

[spidermike007]

 

It is very disheartening. Nothing is being done about the killings. The dems are cowed by the progressives, and the Republicans lack any sort of moral compass, and are owned by the NRA, and the orange one, and are stuck in an 18th century mindset. We deserve our guns! We need our guns! You can't take away our guns! Nothing wrong with having a few guns in the house. But, there is something very, very wrong, when an insane 18 year old can easily buy assault rifles and 350 rounds of ammunition and walk right into a school and take out more people than have been mass murdered in many nations combined for decades, in one day. And there is something infinitely more wrong with America when nobody has to guts to do anything about it. 

 

The US is a very sick, demented, twisted, confused, and morally bankrupt culture. It is a nation in rapid decline. It is not even a pale shadow of what it used to be. I am infinitely disappointed in my country. They could do so much better. 

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Please see many of the old threads on firearms, as all been discussed before.  Along with most of my thoughts & opinions.  I'm not going to repeat myself.

Exactly, many threads but nothing changes. That's the issue 

[richard_smith237]

11 hours ago, UWEB said:

12 hours ago, Will B Good said:

I hope people aren't going to come here and start saying guns are a problem......we all know more guns are the solution.....any idiot knows that.

Guns are the problem, only an idiot does not understand this.

 

....  the complete miss-read highlighted by this response......      some folks are impossibly literal... 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Most people are murdered with handguns, not rifles.  Few people are killed in mass shootings, <60 in 2022, see graph above.  About 1 a week, in a nation of 370M people.

 

About the same number of people that die on Thai roads, in 2 or even 1 day at times.

 

29,000+ people died falling in their home in 2021.  Much more dangerous to be home apparently.

 

Nice headliner, but try putting it in perspective.

 

I was going to argue - but the silliness of the above argument is so ridiculous it doesn't warrant a response. 

 

Even those using such a ridiculous argument can't be so unhinged that they believe in their argument.... And if they do, that such people exist is the exact reason that 'all guns should be banned' (unless specifically for hunting in specific areas).

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Most people are murdered with handguns, not rifles.

 

Which should also be banned...   Why does any member of the public need a handgun  (or any gun) ???...  (rhetorical - stupid gun lovers need not answer).

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Most people are murdered with handguns, not rifles.  Few people are killed in mass shootings, <60 in 2022, see graph above.  About 1 a week, in a nation of 370M people.

 

About the same number of people that die on Thai roads, in 2 or even 1 day at times.

 

29,000+ people died falling in their home in 2021.  Much more dangerous to be home apparently.

 

Nice headliner, but try putting it in perspective.

Good try but you could not possibly be more off base on this one we disagree from time to time but this one is adamant it's been over 500 mass shootings in the US so far this year. I'm not making this stuff up. 

 

There have now been 501 mass shootings in the U.S. this year.

Driving the news: A shooting that wounded four people in Denver, Colorado, on Saturday night marked the country's 500th mass shooting in 2023, according to the Gun Violence Archive.

Hours later, that increased to 501 mass shootings after one person died and five others were wounded in El Paso, Texas, early Sunday.

By the numbers: Just five years ago, the country had never experienced 500 mass shootings in one year:

2018: 335 mass shootings

2019: 414 mass shootings

2020: 610 mass shootings

2021: 689 mass shootings

2022: 645 mass shootings

Flashback: The 500 mass shootings threshold was crossed in September in the past two years, according to the archive. 

 

https://www.axios.com/2023/09/17/mass-shootings-500-united-states-2023

 

 

[morrobay]

18 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

The guy has mental health issues and threatened to commit a mas shooting on a military base before and yet he worked as a shooting instructor and is running around freely! How the hell does that make sense? 

Ask these liberal SAPS in governments where some whackos civil rights are more important than pubic safety 

[stevenl]

52 minutes ago, morrobay said:

Ask these liberal SAPS in governments where some whackos civil rights are more important than pubic safety 

Exactly the other way round there mate.

[Tropposurfer]

21 hours ago, Will B Good said:

I was going to put (sarcasm) but it kind of spoils the whole thing.

I doubt it would have been of help to the "NRA gun loons" Will 🥴😂 such obviousness is lost on these sick, paranoid, violence-proclivity suppressed individuals.

 

As a comparative social phenomena of nations with massive gun ownership per capita Austrians own, per capita, more weapons than Americans yet their mass-shooting numbers are almost non-existent, with no mass shootings: It is 40 years since any mass shooting of any kind in Austria. They occur in the USA multiple times a week! 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54838016

 

I will take a wild leap of a guess and say the causations of such daily/weekly mass murders/slaughters is in the psyche of the culture, and as an extension of this group-think, the supporting regulations or rather the lack of them that promulgates such mass murder. 

 

As to this individual apparently he was reporting to others, openly and frequently, and recently, that he was hearing voices (schizophrenia?) and had talked of going to such-and such a place (another location to the ones he did kill at), and killing many people.

 

Because of the almost complete lack of check n balances in US social thinking and civil structure, especially when looking at State to State, he was still allowed to conduct his business which was ALL about firearms despite his uttering's, and as a  firearm trainer he had legal access to and possession of many, many weapons.

He was also militarily trained.

 

No one, no one had any notion of reporting this fellow it appears, well from reporting I've read so far, so his access to weapons could have been suspended pending a psyche evaluation.

 

I have no evidence as yet as to why he did this, but, it is being reported across many media outlets that he went to a bowling alley very close to a 'liberal' (meaning the teaching ideas, socially centralist/moderate, and activist campus i.e. not a MAGA or GOP leaning place) focussed college and killed young students from that college as a large proportion of his victims.

 

Visit America, no thank you.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Tropposurfer

[morrobay]

31 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Exactly the other way round there mate.

Have no idea what this one liner nonsense is about. Let me elaborate on my post: This whacko like alot of others who go one these shootings was known to law enforcement and even advertised his intent. So his residence should have been raided and guns seized. For starters.

 

[Will B Good]

12 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Most people are murdered with handguns, not rifles.  Few people are killed in mass shootings, <60 in 2022, see graph above.  About 1 a week, in a nation of 370M people.

 

About the same number of people that die on Thai roads, in 2 or even 1 day at times.

 

29,000+ people died falling in their home in 2021.  Much more dangerous to be home apparently.

 

Nice headliner, but try putting it in perspective.

You cannot beat the old "not as bad as Hitler" argument......555