Following on from the "Bull" thread

I'm a meat eater, i love the stuff. In fact when i have a sunday roast, i could just eat lashings and lashings of meat and not even touch the vegetables. I like gravy too. Ooooh Northern boys love gravy

Of course, i hope that the animals are culled humanely (if that's not a contradiction in terms) but even if they weren't, it wouldn't stop me eating meat. I'm a meat eater, that's what i eat.

Now, i don't go round preaching to everyone about what to eat. It's your / our individual choice.

So why do born again veggies, find it neccessary to try and preach to us meat eater's. Why? Because you ain't gonna change my mind and more importantly, why do you feel like you have try to change our mind. It's like the reformed smoker, there ain't nothing worse.

This is a serious question by the way and i hope answers will be civil. I'm just wondering what switch flicks in your brain that you feel it neccessary to preach, the day you stop eating meat.

If it tastes good, must be good.

Nothing better than a pork roast with huge amounts of crackling smothered in traditional style gravy or a huge leg of beef, cooked lightly so the blood is still dripping with gravy & hollaindaise sauce & keens mustard, baked potatoes & cayliflower with cheese & cracked peeper.

Hungry, starving, I could eat the ass out of a low flying rost duck!

Blaster.

I try to eat the best of what's available in whatever country I visit. I used to eat more meat before I came to Thailand, much more, but now I eat about 90% less. Thai food is the best food available in Thailand, so that forms the great majority of my food intake. Thai dishes don't have too much meat in them, and the meat isn't that good here anyway. I'm fortunate in that I don't miss or crave what I haven't got. I just try to enjoy what's available that's good instead. I'm not sure if I'd revert to making meat a greater part of my diet if I went back to the west. I'll just have to wait and see.

has someone been preaching at you Mr Bo or is this a hypothetical question

has someone been preaching at you Mr Bo or is this a hypothetical question

Over the years seonai, i've been preached at many a time about being a meat eater...amongst other things

Then in the Bull's thread, a member or 2 have used it to, shall we say, get their point across.

My Anglo-Irish grand-dad, transplanted to the US (SF Bay area) had a working farm. I lived in the Peninsula, but spent weekends as a young child with my grandparents. They had an extensive veggie garden, milk cows, and lots of chickens. I collected eggs as a small tyke in the chicken coop, watched as hens were dispatched, and helped once take a few older cows to the San Francisco slaughteryard (now long gone). Oh, and he raised Arabian horses, as well.

I grew up on English-style roast beef, leg of lamb, etc. The little roasted potatoes down in the pan, all crispy on the outside.....Heaven On Earth.

Was an ardent vegetarian in the 60's- more as a part of a tribe, than any ethical or health considerations, really.

Eat very little meat now in Thailand, and when I do, it is the little scraps they throw on the noodles/soup, etc.

I think you can eat whatever makes you feel good (no double entendre intended?).

But I will still eat what we call Prime Rib in the US, once in awhile.

Like the Native Americans did, I say a brief prayer thanking the spirit of the creature who was sacrificed.

Then I say, "Pass the horseradish, please".

McG

Nothing better than a pork roast with huge amounts of crackling smothered in traditional style gravy or a huge leg of beef, cooked lightly so the blood is still dripping with gravy & hollaindaise sauce & keens mustard, baked potatoes & cayliflower with cheese & cracked peeper.

I try to eat the best of what's available in whatever country I visit. I used to eat more meat before I came to Thailand, much more, but now I eat about 90% less.

Yeah lannarebirth, i find in Thailand i eat a little less but i still eat quite alot. Pad Ka-Prow and Massaman (with beef, chicken or pork) are 2 of my favourites.

I'm quite happy with a vegetarian meal but:

chili con carne

Weiner schnitzel

Kasseler ham

barbecued ribs

salami

goulash

steak pie

tend to make me less likely to snap at people.

I'm quite happy with a vegetarian meal but:

chili con carne

Weiner schnitzel

Kasseler ham

barbecued ribs

salami

goulash

steak pie

tend to make me less likely to snap at people.

A man with a full stomach!

Contentment TLW

I love both meat and vegetarian food. As long as it is well made and plentiful, I'll eat both.

I find vegetarians usually do not preach unless you tend to go 'OHHH I NEED MEAT, GIVE ME BLOOD, SLAUGHTER ME A BIG FAT ANIMAL THAT I CAN SINK MY TEETH INTO' first.

I can't eat fish, it makes my head swim.

True Confessions:

Yes Father, I have Sinned. And will Sin again.

I Hunt Lobsters.

Every year, season opens in California early Oct.

My friend and his Dad get the boat ready weeks before.

We motor over to Santa Catalina Island mid day; do an afternoon warm-up/scouting dive.

Soon as dusk, we motor over to our "Secret Spot", anchor in about 30 meters on a steep sandy slope that has lots of bull kelp.

Over the side, kick to the bottom, and head out in different directions, scanning for the wily bugs, as we call them.

Limit is 7 each, must be caught with hands only (no spears, snares, nets).

Water temp averages 10 C, there are sharks (including Great White) and sometimes strong currents.

We catch our fill, motor back to Dana Point, get home around 1 AM (if no fog).

2 AM, I'm home. Lobster are still alive (they can live out of water for about 8 hrs.)

I.....ermmmm...."clean" them.

Yeah, I kill them.

And I grill them with garlic butter.

And I eat them.

Just call me- Natural Born Killer

McG

I said in the 'other' thread' about eating very little meat. I just love veggies! However, for those of us thinking about our health, we all acknowledge that we should eat less meat.

My father, now long dead, was told late in life to reduce the amount of meat he ate, particularly red meat, pork, etc. He switched to slightly smaller portions and just chicken and lost 2 and a half stone (15 kgs?) without even trying, his bp improved and he probably got another 10 years out of life feeling better and healthier.

I prefer to talk about a balanced diet, not meat to the exclusion of veggies!

I said in the 'other' thread' about eating very little meat. I just love veggies! However, for those of us thinking about our health, we all acknowledge that we should eat less meat.

Do we? ..... I don't don't think that at all.

Meadish, I have had the 'in your face' type, born again vegetarian rant without saying a word, in my experience (as per MrBoJ) they are usually the same as ex-smokers, a holier than thou attitude that requires very little for the soap-box to get dragged out.

You only need to look at the formation of our teeth to see that 'man' is omnivorous, we are designed to eat everything, and that I will continue to do.

Tiggy, we don't need to eat less meat, we need to eat the right meat, properly prepared and properly cooked. (btw, the pork in Thailand is probably the beast I have tasted, the beef fresh off the market isn't, it needs help, but if you know what to do, it can be made palatable)

Protein is essential for brain development and continued brain functionality, one of the single most important discoveries that man made was fire, not just for warmth, light etc, you can cook things with it and it made meat easier to ingest, by a factor of five. Without meat, cooked meat, we would still be in the trees peeling bananas and scratching our <deleted>.

(if anyone mentions alternative sources of protein, I will counter with nut allergies and unexpected deaths)

Agree, Thaddy. I love veg, but I feel hungry shortly after eating only veg. I at least need dairy products. But, everyone is different.

If I am hungry and there is a cow and I have a knife....bad day for the cow.

I don't care about what other people eat, but I have zero tolerance for fanatics of which ever colour - including vegetarians who try to preach to me. You eat the rabbit's food, I eat the rabbit. As simple as it is.

BeefShake for breakfast then!

BeefShake for breakfast then!

Yes please, with a cocktail umbrella made from bacon, and just a twist of lemming

If a vegetarian diet is so healthy, why do so many vegetarians look so sickly and ill? And why are the always wiping their noses with a scrap of tissue? And why do they have pimples? And why do they have pitched voices?

These are some of life's mysteries.

Me? I love a big hunk of flesh. I will deliberately make a point of pushing all that green crap to the side of the plate.

So why do born again veggies, find it neccessary to try and preach to us meat eater's. Why? Because you ain't gonna change my mind and more importantly, why do you feel like you have try to change our mind. It's like the reformed smoker, there ain't nothing worse.

1. I think it has been shown that a balanced vegetarianism diet is actually healthier for you, despite what the meat industries want us to believe.

2. Its healthier for the animals for obvious reasons.

3. there may or may not be some ego/judgment mixed in the "preach"... which is probably the most annoying thing.

After you've been in a fight with my wife ( note: not me, way too intimidated for that).

Try putting a big slab of uncooked tofu and a handful of lentils on your eye to take down the swelling !!!

If a vegetarian diet is so healthy, why do so many vegetarians look so sickly and ill? And why are the always wiping their noses with a scrap of tissue? And why do they have pimples? And why do they have pitched voices?

These are some of life's mysteries.

yes, and some more mysteries: why do so many red meat eaters suffer from colonic cancer and heart related problems ?

If I am hungry and there is a cow and I have a knife....bad day for the cow.

I don't care about what other people eat, but I have zero tolerance for fanatics of which ever colour - including vegetarians who try to preach to me. You eat the rabbit's food, I eat the rabbit. As simple as it is.

Exactly !

I loved that one Foster's beer ad they showed in Canada a few years ago (How to Speak Aussie was the theme of the ads). In the one, they showed a big, honking steak on the barbie, then it was put on the plate. The narrator said "Steak".

Next a small sprig of parsley was added and the narrator's said "Salad".

I could really go for a big, baked ham right now. Only a few more hours before I'm home. Maybe I'll order another one of those roast piggies like I had for my birthday party !

I read somewhere that a study conducted years ago found that the average American had something like two pounds of un-digested red meat in their lower bowels.

I read somewhere that a study conducted years ago found that the average American had something like two pounds of un-digested red meat in their lower bowels.

Thanks for that. That's certainly not the right mental image to start the day with....

"Hey I've never heard of lower bowels...let me ask my husband.......Honey is lower bowels in Japan ? "

I'm no doctor but am under the impression that the lower bowels (intestines) is that S shaped thing. Now like a river flowing, the flow through the S bend tends to leave deposits on the inner curve - in this case half rotten, undigested red meat!

Gross!

A different view:

Vegetarian or Meatarian which would you rather be?

If you could ONLY eat things from plants or ONLY eat meat which would you choose?

Meat?....no garlic to cook with the roast, no steak sauce....no herbs to cook with the meat....just meat...every day.....salt would not even be allowed but go ahead and put some salt on it anyway!!!!

a meat only diet would be sooooo boring

Eat what you wanna eat, do what you wanna do but if you get on a soap box, research your facts. I gave a rare viewpoint on the subject on the other thread as i felt it was relevant to comments raised. I find its best to keep eating habits personal, for every time i mention i dont eat meat most people end up getting hostile, defensive and/or feel the need to start laying into me with questions regarding my eating choice. In fact, there is really nothing quite so frustrating as going out for a meal with new company and because you order a non-meat dish you get asked if your a veggie. If i say yes, there often has to be someone who asks the question of "why are you a veggie then?" or "why, whats wrong with meat?!", "oh man, your not another one of those born again veggies" or "well i like to sink my teeth into a big juicy bloody steak". Suddenly my nice pleasant meal out turns into me either being silent on the topic (for which im accused of not knowing why i am veggie, or having a good reason) and trying to change the subject, or if i retaliate(if im pushed and freakin pushed) and make some kind of informed comment on the topic, im accused of trying to shove my viewpoint down another persons throat. Annoys the hel_l outta me tbh. Some people even go into childish mode, and make a show of the fact they are eating meat or find it entertaining to wave it under my nose (thankfully this has only happened in my early to mid 20's and not now). Most of the time with people i dont know or will prob not see again, i prefer to say i have allergies (and in fact i do have a couple). Serves its purpose.

Im informed about what i eat, and if you are too, and you make your choices based on that. Then happy eating.

But, seeing as my mere presence on this thread may insight some backlash just because of a food choice lol, and because the topic title is obviously a tad closed on the topic (well cmon it is mate), then happy debating and/or happy preaching, but im off to tame a live coconut and ill be damed if the bugger tries to get away!

I love vegetarian food, but I prefer it pre-processed and stored in convenient cow form.