Israel is at War - General discussion (pt2)

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

If you condemn this savagery, then say so instead of skirting the issue.  This is what trolls do.

Of course I condemn this savagery, why did you think I didn't?

 

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 

We are friendly people, we even say we'll take in Palestinian refugees, our First Minister has relatives there. 

 

  How many refugees from Gaza did Scotland take in ?

[Jeff the Chef]

49 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

War crimes actually but also carried out by terrorists

War Crimes are War Crimes no matter who carries them out.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Hamas did not take these hostages during a war, it's not rocket Science. 

 

   Yes they did .

International law states hostage taking is a war crime in armed conflicts , there doesn't have to be any declaration of war on  either side .

   "Armed conflict" is the criteria for when acts are war crimes , the Armed conflict started when Hamas fired its first shots on October 7 th and thus its hostage taking were war crimes 

[coolcarer]

11 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

War Crimes are War Crimes no matter who carries them out.

👏 correct Jeff. Even a 15 year old terrorist can carry out war crimes. 

[Bkk Brian]

Evidence is now clear there are 5 groups involved in the 7th Oct attacks and subsequent kidnappings. This is making things far more complicated for the remaining hostages. There are apparently some disagreements within the groups on who should be released or not along of course with getting clear information on who is actually alive or being held. 

 

More info here on the groups and how they trained:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67480680

 

Some info on the internal disagreements

"There are mounting indications that some of the factions in southern Gaza are refusing to cooperate with Hamas in the prisoner exchange process and are holding on to their captives, including women and children."

https://twitter.com/gaza_report/status/1728808706169602300

 

Edited November 28, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Evidence is now clear there are 5 groups involved in the 7th Oct attacks and subsequent kidnappings. This is making things far more complicated for the remaining hostages. There are apparently some disagreements within the groups on who should be released or not along of course with getting clear information on who is actually alive or being held. 

 

More info here on the groups and how they trained:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67480680

 

Some info on the internal disagreements

"There are mounting indications that some of the factions in southern Gaza are refusing to cooperate with Hamas in the prisoner exchange process and are holding on to their captives, including women and children."

https://twitter.com/gaza_report/status/1728808706169602300

 

They are all savages and need to be dealt with accordingly.  Every last one of them has to be eliminated.  Like cancer, it may require a surgical operation and the Israelis have the surgeons to do it.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, ezzra said:

I would like to paint a wild scenario to all of you, whereby Israel army is weak and unable to defend the country, imagine if you will, the Hamas and other terrorist groups in Gaza and the west bank having fighter planes, tanks,armoured vehicles, a navy with attack ships and boats and hundreds of thousands of fighting men, and all the above were over running every town and city in Israel, do you think, for one moment, that Hamas would have stopped pause and  observe the international laws of engagement and be fair and just when dealing with Israeli citizens? do you think that the thought of committing 'war crimes' would have stopped them from slathering innocent people and children and putting a baby in the oven while the parents watching?...

 

There's an old book called If Israel Lost The War. Relates to the 1967 war, but still interesting reading.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_Israel_Lost_the_War

[Morch]

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I've no idea who you are but stop making this up. I never said I condone the Hamas attack, 

I never said that I support Hamas in any way.

I am not arguing over anything, I was correcting someone who said the Oct 7 attack was a war crime, it's not. 

Do you think it was a war crime? 

 

Yes.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Rather Islamophobic post full of untruths/mistranslations. I've also heard people say similar things about what's written in the Old Testament. I'm not a Muslim. I would rather be raped or taken hostage than killed, wouldn't you? 

 

 

Were you ever raped? Taken hostage? How would you know? How low can you go?

[Morch]

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

It is not me, it is the definition of the term. 

You seem to think that by me saying Hamas didn't commit a war crime on Oct 7 that I condone it, jeez. 

War crimes

According to the UN, a war crime is an illegal action or set of actions that violate international humanitarian law, which is designed to protect civilians.

War crimes are always carried out intentionally and always take place in times of international or non-international armed conflict.

 

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231021-experts-say-hamas-and-israel-are-breaking-international-law-but-what-does-that-mean

 

Yes, and?

[Morch]

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Hamas did not take these hostages during a war, it's not rocket Science. 

 

Yes, and?

[Morch]

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

The number of deaths for a start, 10-1 ish. 

 

No idea what Iran has to do with what I said. 

 

The number of deaths do not relate to the morality of the action.

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[Neeranam]

31 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I get the sense that you revel in it.

Not that you actually support it, mind - but in as much as it represent a trolling opportunity.

Doubt you give a damn about people other than yourself one way or the other.

Your continual flaming has earned you an ignore(again). Personal attacks are against forum rules, as is continually calling someone a liar. 

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Your continual flaming has earned you an ignore(again). Personal attacks are against forum rules, as is continually calling someone a liar. 

 

@Neeranam

 

Get with the program - already called you worse.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Morch

[Eloquent pilgrim]

14 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Your continual flaming has earned you an ignore(again). Personal attacks are against forum rules, as is continually calling someone a liar. 

 

Oh no; that's 37 posters on ignore 

[Nick Carter icp]

31 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Your continual flaming has earned you an ignore(again). Personal attacks are against forum rules, as is continually calling someone a liar. 

 

  Stop telling lies and then people wont call you a liar 

[Neeranam]

Strange, this thread has gone from over 10 pages to only 3

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Strange, this thread has gone from over 10 pages to only 3

 

   You've made 45 posts in this thread . 25 post per page , as you're the only person you don't have on ignore, this thread must be just full of your posts only 

[Morch]

Some more details on some of the released hostages and their time in Gaza:

 

Father says girl, 9, released from captivity thought she was there for a year, won’t stop whispering

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/father-says-girl9-released-from-captivity-thought-she-was-there-for-a-year-wont-stop-whispering/

 

Father of Emily Hand says 'she’d been conditioned not to make any noise' in Hamas captivity

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rjbpmdxbt

 

Hamas forced hostage kids to watch videos of Oct. 7 atrocities, family member says

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hamas-forced-hostage-kids-to-watch-videos-of-oct-7-atrocities-family-member-says/ar-AA1kFBVe

 

Hostages report hunger in captivity: 'some lost up to 15 kilograms'

https://www.ynetnews.com/health_science/article/h1krstgh6

 

Without audio: Hamas publishes video of Israeli hostage release meant to whitewash terror

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/skt5sjmb6#autoplay

 

‘Keep waving’: Daily Hamas propaganda clips show freed hostages’ forced goodbyes

https://www.timesofisrael.com/keep-waving-daily-hamas-propaganda-clips-show-freed-hostages-forced-goodbyes/

Edited November 28, 2023 by Morch

[Hawaiian]

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You've made 45 posts in this thread . 25 post per page , as you're the only person you don't have on ignore, this thread must be just full of your posts only 

Tedious and boring.............

[metisdead]

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[Bkk Brian]

Looking into death’s eyes without blinking. Israel will win 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

8 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Strange, this thread has gone from over 10 pages to only 3

Just you and the rabbit then......

[rabas]

13 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Strange, this thread has gone from over 10 pages to only 3

 

Funny, the rabbit said it was 7 pages ...

[Neeranam]

30 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Funny, the rabbit said it was 7 pages ...

What rabbit?

[Morch]

17 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What rabbit?

 

@Neeranam

 

It is sad that when the going gets rough, one turns a cold shoulder to furry (former?) friends and spiritual guides.

Alas, some people are like that.

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

@Neeranam

 

It is sad that when the going gets rough, one turns a cold shoulder to furry (former?) friends and spiritual guides.

Alas, some people are like that.

What are you talking about?

 

[Morch]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What are you talking about?

 

 

@Neeranam

 

So you can't even stick with your 'ignore' threats?