Blow to Biden as poll shows Trump in lead for 2024 presidential election

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, WDSmart said:

And Bannon and Goebbels? Surely you must be referring to Trump, not Biden.

LOL.

 

13 hours ago, WDSmart said:

Trump is someone I would definitely call right-wing. 

Can you explain that?

IMO Trump is for Trump, whatever that takes. To label him as right or otherwise is IMO a stretch. Wasn't he a Democrat at one time- certainly pals with the Clintons going by photos I've seen of him with them.

From the book I read about him, he seems to just react to life, rather than having a plan. Appeared to be rather chaotic.

Just happened that he isn't a war monger, which was probably lucky rather than intended.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, thecyclist said:

One of the most idiotic replies I have ever come across Did you get any schooling whatsoever in your lifetime?

Intellectual deplorables like that explains why it is so easy for Fox to brainwash millions of brain dead Zombies to follow the orange retard on his death march towards the abyss. 

 

I hope Trump wins if for no other reason than to poke a stick in the eye of people that refer to millions of Americans as "brain dead Zombies". People with that sort of opinion deserve to have another Trump term, IMO.

[WDSmart]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

APEC. Biden and HRC are/ were for it, Trump removed the US from it.

 

Trump has vowed to remove the US from it again if elected.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-vows-kill-asia-trade-deal-being-pursued-by-biden-if-elected-2023-11-19/

 

Don't expect a lengthy explanation of why I despise APEC, but that's just one reason. I have more.

 

He didn't start any wars while POTUS and I would trust him to repeat that in a second term more than I trust Biden not to start a war. Biden has moved 2 carriers to support israel which is a huge indicator that he is willing to start a wider war.

Not starting wars is always a good reason to vote for a politician, especially for the boys that would die in it.

Thanks for your response. See my reply on your last comment below...

[WDSmart]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He didn't sort the southern border, stopped the wall being completed and made it easier for illegals to keep entering. Cancelled the Keystone XL pipeline.

 

However the BIGGEST reason against him having a second term is that he is IMO unlikely to complete it and if Harris is still VP would by default see her as POTUS. If you don't understand why that would be a bad idea, refer to her abject failure to secure a nomination in the primaries.

Thanks for your response. See my reply on your last comment below...

[WDSmart]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL.

 

Can you explain that?

IMO Trump is for Trump, whatever that takes. To label him as right or otherwise is IMO a stretch. Wasn't he a Democrat at one time- certainly pals with the Clintons going by photos I've seen of him with them.

From the book I read about him, he seems to just react to life, rather than having a plan. Appeared to be rather chaotic.

Just happened that he isn't a war monger, which was probably lucky rather than intended.

Thanks for your response. This is my combined reply to this and your two prior comments.

- APEC: I don't know anything about APEC, but I assume its some kind of trade deal that is thought to be of benefit to the USA. If you think APEC would be detrimental to New Zealand, I can understand why you would oppose it.
- War: Wars aren't usually started by only one side. They are, IMO, a result of the actions/non-actions of both (or many) sides. Trump, however, might be thought to be able to overt wars by cozying up to the leaders of what could be thought of as "enemy" countries, like North Korea and Russia. I think we have to be very careful about making pacts with people like that, and the tension that results in disagreements can eventually escalate into a war. However, as I've said before, I don't think there will ever be a real "shooting" war between the major countries (USA, China, Russia) because of the damage that would result on both sides. I think "war" now will consist many of attacks in cyberspace resulting in damaged public images, lies, cyber disruption, stolen information, etc.
And, as far as Biden's support of Israel, I too dislike that. I see Israel as having been successful over the last 70 years or so, in taking over the former country of Palestine, and slowly purging Palestinians from their land, forcing them into two small areas (Gaza and the West Bank), or if allowing them to live in what is now called "Israel," treating them as lower-class citizens without full rights. This entire conflict is, IMO, probably going to explode, and in spite of what I've said above and unless we (USA) change our position on our total support of the Zionists in Israel, could actually involve us is a real, widespread "shooting" war in the Middle East.
- Keystone XL Pipeline: I am against any project that would be damaging to the environment regardless of its potential benefit to our economy.
- VP Harris: I, like I think most US citizens, don't know much about her. Personally, I do not think she would be a good president, so I sympathize with your worries about Biden's ability to complete a second term. Of course, we don't yet know for sure she would be the VP candidate with Biden, but I do expect that. But, my bottom line is ANYONE would be better than Trump.
- Right Wing: I consider Trump extreme right-wing because I mainly associate right-wingers with being concerned only about themselves and don't care about the welfare of others. That, IMO, is why they support capitalism. I associate left-wingers with being concerned with everyone equally. That is why they support socialism. I've often said the difference between right-wingers and left-wingers in the first letter of one word: "me" vs. "we." 

Okay, I think that covers my response to all the points you made in your last three comments. Thanks for dialoging with me. I've learned something about why you, and maybe many others, disapprove of Biden, but I still can't fathom why ANYONE would think a second Trump presidency would be good for anyone - except maybe Trump himself. 

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, WDSmart said:

VP Harris: I, like I think most US citizens, don't know much about her. Personally, I do not think she would be a good president, so I sympathize with your worries about Biden's ability to complete a second term. Of course, we don't yet know for sure she would be the VP candidate with Biden, but I do expect that. But, my bottom line is ANYONE would be better than Trump.

My bottom line is ANYONE would be better than Harris, even Trump.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, WDSmart said:

Right Wing: I consider Trump extreme right-wing because I mainly associate right-wingers with being concerned only about themselves and don't care about the welfare of others. That, IMO, is why they support capitalism. I associate left-wingers with being concerned with everyone equally. That is why they support socialism. I've often said the difference between right-wingers and left-wingers in the first letter of one word: "me" vs. "we." 

While I support certain socialist ( small s ) policies, such as public ownership of health, major industries eg railways, and support for those unable to help themselves, I loath other socialist policies such as dole for the able bodied, not locking up bad people for as long as possible, and paying people to have babies etc.

I am for personal responsibility, protection of the borders from illegals, and penalty taxes on all income over a million $ per year. So, I'm not left or right, but choose the policies I support from either side.

You support left wing, but Mao and Stalin were left wing.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I still can't fathom why ANYONE would think a second Trump presidency would be good for anyone

I think Washington deserves him, as they have had 3 years to reform themselves and done nothing about it. They had the chance and blew it big time, IMO.

Also, if they are slowly rotating hysterically about him they ain't causing trouble elsewhere.

Perhaps it wasn't that Trump didn't want to start wars, but that they were so mental about him they didn't have time to go looking for a war somewhere.

All good. The boys that lived are grateful, whatever the reason they didn't have to die.

Edited December 14, 2023 by thaibeachlovers

[Berkshire]

Trump may have to worry about DeSantis in Iowa.  Meatball Ron just got a boost from CA Gov Gavin Newsom.....

 

[“It’s not anti-woke,” he said of the Republican governor’s conservative policies. “What he really means is anti-Black.”]

 

You all may think this is an insult, calling DeSantis a racist.  But this will actually help him with the Trump base.  They love that cr*p....5555.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/newsom-desantis-isn-t-anti-woke-he-s-anti-black/ar-AA1ltJK9?cvid=d8275e0b3452443ffd817e5326f0ad90&ei=16

 

[WDSmart]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, I'm not left or right, but choose the policies I support from either side.

You support left wing, but Mao and Stalin were left wing.

I'm solidly left-wing. Mao and Stalin were not left-wing. They were extreme right-wing autocrats pretending to be left-wing (communist). The states they ended up leading were certainly not socialist or communist, were they? No, they were plutocracies. 

[WDSmart]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

6 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I still can't fathom why ANYONE would think a second Trump presidency would be good for anyone

I think Washington deserves him, as they have had 3 years to reform themselves and done nothing about it. They had the chance and blew it big time, IMO.

I sadly agree with you somewhat. I agree that the USA is rapidly deteriorating, and yes, perhaps a second presidency of Trump is exactly what it deserves. But, being a US citizen and still having at least a hope that it can be salvaged, I'm completely against Trump's second term. If that happens, I predict the  USA will quickly deteriorate into uncontrolled violence. 

[WDSmart]

11 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Trump may have to worry about DeSantis in Iowa.  Meatball Ron just got a boost from CA Gov Gavin Newsom.....

 

[“It’s not anti-woke,” he said of the Republican governor’s conservative policies. “What he really means is anti-Black.”]

 

You all may think this is an insult, calling DeSantis a racist.  But this will actually help him with the Trump base.  They love that cr*p....5555.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/newsom-desantis-isn-t-anti-woke-he-s-anti-black/ar-AA1ltJK9?cvid=d8275e0b3452443ffd817e5326f0ad90&ei=16

 

I don't think Trump has to worry about any one of the Republican presidential candidates. I think all he has to worry about are his trials. If one or more of them can actually be completed and if he is found guilty before the Republican nomination, that may derail him. A couple of his charges are probably going to be looked at by SCOTUS (US Supreme Court), and if they rule that because these charges were for things he did while he was president, he is immune to prosecution, then that game is probably mostly over, at least for most of the important charges. But, if SCOTUS rules that way, then that would mean or could be interpreted, that a president could do anything while in office and not be held accountable, like a king. For that reason, I'm hopeful they will not rule he is immune.

[Danderman123]

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I think Washington deserves him, as they have had 3 years to reform themselves and done nothing about it. They had the chance and blew it big time, IMO.

Also, if they are slowly rotating hysterically about him they ain't causing trouble elsewhere.

Perhaps it wasn't that Trump didn't want to start wars, but that they were so mental about him they didn't have time to go looking for a war somewhere.

All good. The boys that lived are grateful, whatever the reason they didn't have to die.

Tell us about reforms that Trump implemented during his 4 years in office.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Tell us about reforms that Trump implemented during his 4 years in office.

You are deflecting again.

 

He didn't start any wars.

He did his best to solve the southern border chaos and it wasn't his fault that bumblin' Joe stopped the wall being completed.

He didn't start any wars.

He gave the reluctant to pay their share NATO countries a shake up.

He pulled the US out of APEC.

He didn't start any wars.

 

Good enough for me.

Edited December 14, 2023 by thaibeachlovers

[Danderman123]

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I think Washington deserves him, as they have had 3 years to reform themselves and done nothing about it. They had the chance and blew it big time, IMO.

But you can't think of any reforms that Trump implemented during his 4 years in office?

 

Did he drain the swamp?

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are deflecting again.

 

He didn't start any wars.

He did his best to solve the southern border chaos and it wasn't his fault that bumblin' Joe stopped the wall being completed.

He didn't start any wars.

He gave the reluctant to pay their share NATO countries a shake up.

He pulled the US out of APEC.

He didn't start any wars.

 

Good enough for me.

Tell us about wars that Obama and Biden started.

 

Was that good enough for you?

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I think all he has to worry about are his trials.

If he wasn't cancelled because of "pussygate" I doubt a guilty verdict will dissuade the voters. After all, the court cases against him are regarded as politically motivated by many, and have actually increased his popularity, as pointed out on threads on this forum.

Apparently there is nothing in the constitution to say that a convicted person can't become POTUS. I guess the Founding Fathers never envisaged how broken the US would become a couple hundred years later.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

But you can't think of any reforms that Trump implemented during his 4 years in office?

 

Did he drain the swamp?

You are deflecting again. Try harder.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Tell us about wars that Obama and Biden started.

 

Was that good enough for you?

You keep deflecting.  I wasn't talking about Joe in that post, and Obama has nothing to do with this thread.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Tell us about wars that Obama and Biden started.

Biden may yet have his own war, having sent 2 carrier forces to the area.

He probably voted for a few during his long time in congress. Trump didn't vote for any.

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are deflecting again. Try harder.

You don't have an answer.

 

You claim that Biden has implemented no reforms in 3 years, but can't think of any that Trump did in 4 years.

 

So, when you write " you are deflecting", you mean "I got nuttin".

 

Did your internet masters teach you that in troll school?

[Danderman123]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Biden may yet have his own war, having sent 2 carrier forces to the area.

He probably voted for a few during his long time in congress. Trump didn't vote for any.

Did Trump have a career in Congress that gave him an opportunity to vote on wars?

 

Here's a nugget for you:

 

Fact Check: Yes, Trump did support the Iraq War

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I sadly agree with you somewhat. I agree that the USA is rapidly deteriorating, and yes, perhaps a second presidency of Trump is exactly what it deserves. But, being a US citizen and still having at least a hope that it can be salvaged, I'm completely against Trump's second term. If that happens, I predict the  USA will quickly deteriorate into uncontrolled violence. 

I thought the US was already in a state of almost uncontrolled violence. They seem to have a mass shooting every other day, and those that oppose the Washington elites are armed to the teeth.

 

If it only takes Trump's election to start civil war, the US is probably doomed anyway. If not Trump, the next one perhaps. In a country where so many hate Washington, when Trump is gone another will take his place.

 

I'm puzzled though. People hate Trump, but Bush the younger started a war based on lies ( WMD's anyone? ) that killed hundreds of thousands, including many US and UK boys, and he isn't hated. I wonder why. Trump didn't send boys to die in a far off land, but apparently that counts for nothing. Very strange.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You don't have an answer.

 

You claim that Biden has implemented no reforms in 3 years, but can't think of any that Trump did in 4 years.

 

So, when you write " you are deflecting", you mean "I got nuttin".

 

Did your internet masters teach you that in troll school?

You claim that Biden has implemented no reforms in 3 years,

 

Gee wizz, you got me there, except I never claimed that

 

Talking of trolls, have you looked in the mirror recently?

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Did Trump have a career in Congress that gave him an opportunity to vote on wars?

 

Here's a nugget for you:

 

Fact Check: Yes, Trump did support the Iraq War

 

 

Trump didn't vote for any.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trump didn't vote for any.

 

I don't know if you know this but as President, Trump was in charge of the military.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I'm solidly left-wing. Mao and Stalin were not left-wing. They were extreme right-wing autocrats pretending to be left-wing (communist). The states they ended up leading were certainly not socialist or communist, were they? No, they were plutocracies. 

I'm not disputing what you say, and they were murdering tyrants, but they were Communist ergo de facto left wing.

It's things like that which make labels like left or right wing a nonsense, and I disregard them as being meaningless.

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm not disputing what you say, and they were murdering tyrants, but they were Communist ergo de facto left wing.

It's things like that which make labels like left or right wing a nonsense, and I disregard them as being meaningless.

 

Neither country was ever really communist, both were dictatorships which are inconsistent with the Marxist view of communism. AS you say, it's  just a label and we know which party is best at labeling.

 

http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-communism-and-dictatorship/

Edited December 14, 2023 by ozimoron

[thaibeachlovers]

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Neither country was ever really communist, both were dictatorships which are inconsistent with the Marxist view of communism. AS you say, it's  just a label and we know which party is best at labeling.

 

http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-communism-and-dictatorship/

I agree. IMO socialism ( small s ) is the best form of government ( the UK has it in the NHS ), but so called "Communist" ( big C ) countries have little socialism in reality. IMO there is little difference between fascism and Communism except the label.

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree. IMO socialism ( small s ) is the best form of government ( the UK has it in the NHS ), but so called "Communist" ( big C ) countries have little socialism in reality. IMO there is little difference between fascism and Communism except the label.

 

Would you agree that you can't slide a razor blade in between fascism and a dictatorship?

 

fascism

[ fash-iz-uhm ]

noun

a governmental system led by a dictator

 

https://www.dictionary.com/compare-words/fascism-vs-dictatorship

Edited December 14, 2023 by ozimoron