Israel losing global support over Gaza bombing, Biden says

[Jeff the Chef]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, they tried that. what else? 

Comedy post of the year, well done you.

[Morch]

27 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I have no problem with Jews but Zionists are something else, get rid of Bibi and co and all their claptrap ideas.

 

23 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

It won't, but Bibi and Co think they have the solution by doing what they are doing.

 

Why lie? You've already posted your views on Jews. You're outed.

 

And again - people who use the term Zionists, instead of Israelis, usually have issues with Israel's very existence.

 

It is rather amazing that with all the posts here you still don't get it that 'Zionists' does not reference only Netanyahu, Israel's right wing elements and so on.

 

And while it's cool you pretend to know what Netanyahu thinks, I kinda doubt that you actually have a clue or that you can meaningfully explain yourself.

 

Talk about claptrap....

[Morch]

20 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

They could try to stop killing, maiming, brutal aggression, oh and 75 years of oppression. 

 

You're deflecting, as usual.

The question, I believe, was what should Israel have done in response to 7/10.

 

[Morch]

19 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Yeah, the Jews willing to fight back Zionists are Bibi's problem.

 

Eh?

[stevenl]

18 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You're deflecting, as usual.

The question, I believe, was what should Israel have done in response to 7/10.

 

It shouldn't be looked at as an isolated "incident" for lack of a better word for this atrocity. I understand why some choose to look at it that way, but a solution should come from the entire issue.

Edited December 30, 2023 by stevenl

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

That's the second time you've said as much in recent posts - but failed to elaborate.

Imo the post speaks for itself, no elaboration necessary.

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It shouldn't be looked at as an isolated "incident" for lack of a better word for this atrocity. I understand why some choose to look at it that way, but a solution should come from the entire issue.

Yet that's exactly why this war started, Oct/7th. To get to that solution, Hamas and its infrastructure needs to be finished and all hostages returned.

[Jeff the Chef]

19 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

 

Why lie? You've already posted your views on Jews. You're outed.

 

And again - people who use the term Zionists, instead of Israelis, usually have issues with Israel's very existence.

 

It is rather amazing that with all the posts here you still don't get it that 'Zionists' does not reference only Netanyahu, Israel's right wing elements and so on.

 

And while it's cool you pretend to know what Netanyahu thinks, I kinda doubt that you actually have a clue or that you can meaningfully explain yourself.

 

Talk about claptrap....

Point 1: Tell someone who gives a toss on what you think my views on Jews are.

 

Point 2: Zionists are not true Jews, they are oppressors 

 

Point 3: Netanyahu is a right-wing Zionist leader who will eventually end up in prison either in Israel for his crimes committed in Israel or before the ICC for his crimes committed in Gaza. https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231229-pre-01-00-en.pdf

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2 hours ago, coolcarer said:

How? Seriously. 

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

For example?

 

Maybe a UN resolution, some pride flags and a George Floyd mural? 

 

 

US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin has said he urged Israel to protect civilians in Gaza and make the war there more "surgical".

Mr Austin, who spoke after a meeting with his Israeli counterpart in Tel Aviv, reiterated US support for the offensive against Hamas.

He said Washington would provide more arms, vehicles and munitions to Israel...

Mr Austin then said he had discussed the objectives of the military campaign and "how to reduce harm to civilians in the battlespace" with his Israeli counterpart Yoav Gallant

"We also have some great thoughts about how to transition from high intensity operations to a lower intensity and more surgical operations," he said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67753876

 

 

 

 

[Purdey]

There have been reports that the top three Hamas leaders live in Quatar in immense luxury with a wealth of 11 billion dollars. Perhaps they should be the main targets. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/qatar-hamas-israel-1.6999416

[Wobblybob]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Point 1: Tell someone who gives a toss on what you think my views on Jews are.

 

Point 2: Zionists are not true Jews, they are oppressors 

 

Point 3: Netanyahu is a right-wing Zionist leader who will eventually end up in prison either in Israel for his crimes committed in Israel or before the ICC for his crimes committed in Gaza. https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231229-pre-01-00-en.pdf

We don't think what your views are, we know what your views are, you made sure you documented them very clearly and succinctly on here. 

[coolcarer]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin has said he urged Israel to protect civilians in Gaza and make the war there more "surgical".

Mr Austin, who spoke after a meeting with his Israeli counterpart in Tel Aviv, reiterated US support for the offensive against Hamas.

He said Washington would provide more arms, vehicles and munitions to Israel...

Mr Austin then said he had discussed the objectives of the military campaign and "how to reduce harm to civilians in the battlespace" with his Israeli counterpart Yoav Gallant

"We also have some great thoughts about how to transition from high intensity operations to a lower intensity and more surgical operations," he said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67753876

 

 

 

 

Austin is urging more surgical strikes in the transition to a ground campaign. He did not give a timeline.

 

This has always been Israel’s plan from the start. Nothing new here.

[Jeff the Chef]

6 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

We don't think what your views are, we know what your views are, you made sure you documented them very clearly and succinctly on here. 

Great.

[Photoguy21]

3 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The Zionists could stop this as well, but they want the Palestinian problem gone forever.

Can you blame them? It is Hamas's aim to eliminate Israel completely

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Point 1: Tell someone who gives a toss on what you think my views on Jews are.

 

Point 2: Zionists are not true Jews, they are oppressors 

 

Point 3: Netanyahu is a right-wing Zionist leader who will eventually end up in prison either in Israel for his crimes committed in Israel or before the ICC for his crimes committed in Gaza. https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231229-pre-01-00-en.pdf

You may think you know what Zionists are but your truth is fiction.

 

Nowadays, the word Zionist is often used as a swearword. As a negative label. Many Palestinians and supporters of the Palestinian cause no longer distinguish between the words 'Jew', 'Israeli' and 'Zionist'. That is not correct. Most Jews do not live in Israel. Not every inhabitant of Israel is Jewish; there are also many non-Jews living in Israel. And not all Jewish Israelis are 'settlers' who want to conquer more and more Palestinian land. The vast majority of Jews believe that the State of Israel should continue to exist. But many Jews, both living in Israel and elsewhere, are in favour of a Palestinian state alongside Israel as a possible solution to the conflict. To cut a long story short: although many Jews identify with Zionism, there are still many different points of view. That is reason enough not to mix up the words 'Jew', 'Israelis' and 'Zionists'. 

https://www.annefrank.org/en/topics/antisemitism/are-all-jews-zionists/

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9 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Austin is urging more surgical strikes in the transition to a ground campaign. He did not give a timeline.

 

This has always been Israel’s plan from the start. Nothing new here.

So whether it's a week, a month, or a year makes no difference?

[coolcarer]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So whether it's a week, a month, or a year makes no difference?

Makes a huge difference to the military strategy of any force, air strikes are always carried out first for a reason. That’s why Austin specifically stated that he was not dictating a timeline or terms. 

[Morch]

45 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It shouldn't be looked at as an isolated "incident" for lack of a better word for this atrocity. I understand why some choose to look at it that way, but a solution should come from the entire issue.

 

Why not? The question is not about what Israel could have done decades ago. It's about the here and now. There were comment made that this could have been handled in other ways - without specifying what these may have been. The question was not about an all encompassing, comprehensive solution, but rather regarding matters at hand. 

[Morch]

28 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Point 1: Tell someone who gives a toss on what you think my views on Jews are.

 

Point 2: Zionists are not true Jews, they are oppressors 

 

Point 3: Netanyahu is a right-wing Zionist leader who will eventually end up in prison either in Israel for his crimes committed in Israel or before the ICC for his crimes committed in Gaza. https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231229-pre-01-00-en.pdf

 

Your views about Jews are public for some time now. I was just pointing out that lie about not having issues with them.

 

Zionists can most certainly be Jews. You do not get to decide who are 'true Jews' and who aren't. That's about as ignorant a comment as I've seen on these topics.

 

I hope Netanyahu does end up behind bars, but that's not really what the previous posts were about - so just another deflection from you.

[Jeff the Chef]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Why not? The question is not about what Israel could have done decades ago. It's about the here and now. There were comment made that this could have been handled in other ways - without specifying what these may have been. The question was not about an all encompassing, comprehensive solution, but rather regarding matters at hand. 

What came first the chicken or the egg?

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Why not? The question is not about what Israel could have done decades ago. It's about the here and now. There were comment made that this could have been handled in other ways - without specifying what these may have been. The question was not about an all encompassing, comprehensive solution, but rather regarding matters at hand. 

Hence the revenge war that will not be able to achieve the goal of eliminating Hamas.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Hence the revenge war that will not be able to achieve the goal of eliminating Hamas.

 

What are you on about?

 

Again - there was a comment Israel could have handled things differently with regard to this situation. Not the conflict as a whole. This comment was not expanded on and left as a one liner. You are not answering that question, nor are you commenting on what I posted.

[Jeff the Chef]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

Your views about Jews are public for some time now. I was just pointing out that lie about not having issues with them.

 

Zionists can most certainly be Jews. You do not get to decide who are 'true Jews' and who aren't. That's about as ignorant a comment as I've seen on these topics.

 

I hope Netanyahu does end up behind bars, but that's not really what the previous posts were about - so just another deflection from you.

Again, I have no problem with proper Jews.

 

For someone with thousands of posts on this subject if that's the most ignorant comment you've seen you're not following these threads very well.

 

We agree on something, but you as usual use the deflect card.

 

Any thoughts on this? https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231229-pre-01-00-en.pdf

[xtrnuno41]

Well read "Imagine" song text from a dreamer.

You really think the Israëliets will back down? Since 1948 nothing but troubles and wars.

Hypocrite from UN to say stop. 

The whole middle east keeps on killing. Dictators, religions, groups lets get it on.

Mankind do always, see history. Time for AGI and then stop, or not? Mankind to machines or visiting aliens?!

Edited December 30, 2023 by xtrnuno41

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Again, I have no problem with proper Jews.

 

For someone with thousands of posts on this subject if that's the most ignorant comment you've seen you're not following these threads very well.

 

We agree on something, but you as usual use the deflect card.

 

Any thoughts on this? https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231229-pre-01-00-en.pdf

Zionists are proper Jews, stop making things up.

[Morch]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

Again, I have no problem with proper Jews.

 

For someone with thousands of posts on this subject if that's the most ignorant comment you've seen you're not following these threads very well.

 

We agree on something, but you as usual use the deflect card.

 

Any thoughts on this? https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231229-pre-01-00-en.pdf

 

You do not decide who are 'proper Jews'.

And yes, it's a tough competition - these topics usually bring out some of the 'best' minds.

I have not deflected - that's just you using a new word that you do not understand, obviously.

Dunno what that PDF file is, not curious enough to open. Try a proper link, maybe.

[DudleySquat]

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I have no problem with Jews but Zionists are something else, get rid of Bibi and co and all their claptrap ideas.

 

How funny is it that when Thailand claims Thailand is for Thais, none of you have a problem? Replace Thai with Jews, and you Jew haters have a problem. Why is that? 

[Jeff the Chef]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Zionists are proper Jews, stop making things up.

In you're opinion.

[Neeranam]

 

 

15 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Any thoughts on this? https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231229-pre-01-00-en.pdf

 Time to phone a friend, Morsch

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

In you're opinion.

No its a fact. Would you also argue against Anne Frank on this?