Popular Post CharlieH Posted December 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2023 King Charles has praised the work of volunteers, calling them a “selfless army of people” who form an “essential backbone of our society”. In his second Christmas speech, the king said he was delighted that hundreds of volunteers and their representatives attended his coronation in May, saying their presence “emphasised the meaning of coronation itself, above all, a call to us all to serve one another, to love and care for all”. In an apparent reference to rising homelessness, and people housing displaced victims of conflicts, such as Ukrainians, the monarch highlighted one part of the story of Jesus when “Mary and Joseph were offered shelter in their hour of need by strangers”. Last Christmas he had underlined the cost of living crisis and the “great anxiety and hardship” of many struggling to “pay their bills and keep their families fed and warm”. In November, he launched the Coronation Food Project, which will distribute otherwise wasted food to people struck by food poverty. In Monday’s speech, he said “we need to build on existing ways to support others less fortunate than ourselves”. FULL STORY 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted December 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2023 No mention of the massive immigration numbers then and it's enormous negative impact on housing, education and the NHS! 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted December 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, proton said: No mention of the massive immigration numbers then and it's enormous negative impact on housing, education and the NHS! The immigrants that are here working, paying tax, NI and contributing to the economy? The same immigrants that are employed in and actually keeping the healthcare industry going? Edited December 26, 2023 by youreavinalaff 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted December 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: The immigrants that are here working, paying tax, NI and contributing to the economy? The same immigrants that are employed in and actually keeping the healthcare industry going? Most immigrants are on benefits, especially muslims and are not a net contribution to the ecomony. Nobody voted for a million arrivals every few months, we dont need them and dont want them. If you think they are not a burden visit an A&E any day, most in cities will be immigrants. They keep the NHS going- for other immigrants and the number of dodgy foreign doctors who only completed a 3 year online course, and who often can barely speak English is a scandal Edited December 26, 2023 by proton 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted December 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2023 1 minute ago, proton said: Most immigrants are on benefits, especially muslims and are not a net contribution to the ecomony. Nobody voted for a million arrivals every few months, we dont need them and dont want them. If you think they are not a burden visit an A&E any day, most in cities will be immigrants. They keep the NHS going- for other immigrants and the number of dodgy foreign doctors who only completed a 3 year online course, and who often can barely speak English is a scandal White people, White Families are more likely to be receiving benefits than non white people/families . Many immigrants work for the NHS and other low paying jobs . 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted December 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, proton said: Most immigrants are on benefits, especially muslims and are not a net contribution to the ecomony. Nobody voted for a million arrivals every few months, we dont need them and dont want them. If you think they are not a burden visit an A&E any day, most in cities will be immigrants. They keep the NHS going- for other immigrants and the number of dodgy foreign doctors who only completed a 3 year online course, and who often can barely speak English is a scandal A million every month? I think you'll find net immigration is not even that a year. Immigrants on visas can only claim employment based benefits. Only then, those on a working visa must leave if they are not working for longer than 60 days. Those on family visas cannot claim if not working. If they are not working, spouse must adhere to the financial requirements, soon to drastically increase, alone. Muslims? I wasn't aware benefits were religion specific 1 1 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted December 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said: White people, White Families are more likely to be receiving benefits than non white people/families . Many immigrants work for the NHS and other low paying jobs . White people? Don't you mean UK citizens? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted December 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, proton said: They keep the NHS going- for other immigrants and the number of dodgy foreign doctors who only completed a 3 year online course, and who often can barely speak English is a scandal The NHS implemented new rules over ten years ago , stating that Doctors need to pass an English speaking test to become Doctors 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: White people? Don't you mean UK citizens? Well, both , UK citizens who are White are more likely to be in receipt of benefits than non White British citizens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Well, both , UK citizens who are White are more likely to be in receipt of benefits than non White British citizens The conversation is immigrants. Not race. Immigrants benefits claims are not based on race. Neither are UK citizens. Your comments suggest there are not any white immigrant in UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: The NHS implemented new rules over ten years ago , stating that Doctors need to pass an English speaking test to become Doctors Just another joke test Edited December 26, 2023 by proton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 1 minute ago, youreavinalaff said: The conversation is immigrants. Not race. Immigrants benefits claims are not based on race. Neither are UK citizens. Your comments suggest there are not any white immigrant in UK. The claim was that Muslim immigrants are claiming benefits (Muslims aren't usually White) and I pointed out that statistically, White people are more likely to be claiming benefits than Brown people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: White people, White Families are more likely to be receiving benefits than non white people/families . Many immigrants work for the NHS and other low paying jobs . So why import millions more to support? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 1 minute ago, proton said: Just another joke test What is wrong with the English test that Doctors have to pass ? Could you explain why you fell that the test isn't adequate ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Just now, proton said: So why import millions more to support? I don't know what you are trying to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted December 26, 2023 Author Share Posted December 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: The claim was that Muslim immigrants are claiming benefits (Muslims aren't usually White) and I pointed out that statistically, White people are more likely to be claiming benefits than Brown people How many Muslims are on benefits in the UK? Similarly, over 10% of those surveyed noted that they lived in social or council housing whilst a further 40% indicated that they were in receipt of some form of benefits. In both groups, over two-thirds of Muslims noted that they have experienced difficulty in affording at least one household bill. https://muslimcensus.co.uk/cost-of-living-crisis/#:~:text=Similarly%2C over 10% of those,at least one household bill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: The claim was that Muslim immigrants are claiming benefits (Muslims aren't usually White) and I pointed out that statistically, White people are more likely to be claiming benefits than Brown people 93% of black and asians in the uK receive state support, according ti the government https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/benefits/state-support/latest/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: The claim was that Muslim immigrants are claiming benefits (Muslims aren't usually White) and I pointed out that statistically, White people are more likely to be claiming benefits than Brown people The claim was "most immigrants" are on benefits. Also, the Government statistics show "state support" in their figures showing ethnic claimants. That includes government pension, which is not really a benefit as its been paid for. I would imagine the figures would be quite different if pensions were not included. Give it 10 or so years it will change a lot too as second generation UK citizens become pensionable age. Edited December 26, 2023 by youreavinalaff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted December 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, proton said: So why import millions more to support? Net migration is well under 1 million. Why use figures you can support? Anyhow, if there were not any immigrants working in UK, a very large percentage of care homes would be grossly understaffed or closed down due to lack of staff. Many people in need of domiciliary care would not get it. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted December 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, proton said: 93% of black and asians in the uK receive state support, according ti the government https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/benefits/state-support/latest/ 5555. That's funny. You've added figures together for effect. Those figures also include state pension. That is employment based. Meaning they have been working and paying dues, if on full pension, for 37 years. Edited December 26, 2023 by youreavinalaff 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 12 minutes ago, CharlieH said: How many Muslims are on benefits in the UK? Similarly, over 10% of those surveyed noted that they lived in social or council housing whilst a further 40% indicated that they were in receipt of some form of benefits. In both groups, over two-thirds of Muslims noted that they have experienced difficulty in affording at least one household bill. https://muslimcensus.co.uk/cost-of-living-crisis/#:~:text=Similarly%2C over 10% of those,at least one household bill. Employment based benefits. Proton is suggesting they are not contributing to the economy. Receiving employment based state support suggests they have been and likely still are. What percentage of all UK citizens would 40% of Mudlims be? My guess would be around 10%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted December 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2023 12 minutes ago, proton said: So why import millions more to support? So why are indigent British people not stepping forwards in their millions to do these underpaid and overworked jobs? It would decrease the number of foreigners who are willing to do the work for less pay than a local Brit, or is it because they are better off on benefits and not working. And if local Brits don't want to do the work, who do you think will do the work? 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted December 26, 2023 Author Share Posted December 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: Employment based benefits. Proton is suggesting they are not contributing to the economy. Receiving employment based state support suggests they have been and likely still are. What percentage of all UK citizens would 40% of Mudlims be? My guess would be around 10%. 6.4% of the population are Muslim around 4 million as of 2021. Source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 18 minutes ago, proton said: 93% of black and asians in the uK receive state support, according ti the government https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/benefits/state-support/latest/ Well, yes, sort of . 43 % of Asians receive state support 51 % of Black people receive state support Add them both together and you do get 93 % But to get a true figure , you would have to then divide by two Giving the figure of 46 % 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, billd766 said: So why are indigent British people not stepping forwards in their millions to do these underpaid and overworked jobs? It would decrease the number of foreigners who are willing to do the work for less pay than a local Brit, or is it because they are better off on benefits and not working. And if local Brits don't want to do the work, who do you think will do the work? Immigrants working lower paid jobs do not get paid less. They are subject to national living wage. Also they have to earn enough to satisfy visa requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 31 minutes ago, proton said: Just another joke test Could you tell me what he says , I don't have 7 spare minutes to listen to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocky Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: What percentage of all UK citizens would 40% of Mudlims be? My guess would be around 10%. Much less than that. Less than 7% of the UK population are Muslim according to data in the 2021 Census. 40% of that would be under 3%, but what proportion of the 7% are of working age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CharlieH said: 6.4% of the population are Muslim around 4 million as of 2021. Source So, 40% of Muslims claiming state support is hardly a drain on the economy. Especially as much of it is employment based. Edited December 26, 2023 by youreavinalaff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: So, 40% of Muslims claiming state support is hardly a drain on the economy. Especially as much of it is employment based. And you don't get many single Muslim mums , who get full hosing benefit for 18 years whilst their kid is growing up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 40 minutes ago, proton said: 93% of black and asians in the uK receive state support, according ti the government https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/benefits/state-support/latest/ If you took your Asian Wife back to the U.K., do you think that she should be eligible to receive state benefits or not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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