ozimoron Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Just now, Bkk Brian said: You guess a lot, carry on the guessing. Try condemning the indiscriminant bombing of civilians and somebody might believe you. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, ozimoron said: In case you missed it a country complained to the ICJ making the same accusations. They are far from baseless. The photos of kids blown apart is enough, let alone the mass bombings and the thousands of victim accounts. So as a said, baseless allegations: 14 minutes ago, ozimoron said: The IDF are doing their duty. Those commanding them are war criminals. Those IDF officers following illegal orders are also war criminals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Just now, ozimoron said: Try condemning the indiscriminant bombing of civilians and somebody might believe you. ditto reply, not playing baiting games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: War criminals are terrorists too. @ozimoron No, that's just one of you daft one-liners. War criminals may or may not be terrorists, that's dependent on details, circumstances and legalities. As for you tossing 'war criminals' about - already addressed numerous times. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, ozimoron said: War criminals are terrorists too. What war criminals are you referring to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: ditto reply, not playing baiting games I'm well justified in not believing you when you refuse to concede any fault by Israel no matter how trivial, let alone something of this magnitude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Summerinsiam Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Ask Nelson Mandela. Even Ariel Sharon admitted that if he was a Palestininian he would take up armed resistance. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: What war criminals are you referring to? Netanyahu, the entire Israeli cabinet and the upper echelons of the IDF. And those who occupy equivalent positions in Hamas. Edited January 10 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Just now, ozimoron said: I'm well justified in not believing you when you refuse to concede any fault by Israel no matter how trivial, let alone something of this magnitude. I have no need to answer you baiting question, perhaps check previous posts of mine to see rather than make more baseless inflammatory accusations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: Netanyahu, the entire Israeli cabinet and the upper echelons of the IDF. And those who occupy equivalent positions in Hamas. Pure trolling again, leave you to it, Edited January 10 by Bkk Brian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Ask Nelson Mandela. Even Ariel Sharon admitted that if he was a Palestininian he would take up armed resistance. I don't think Mandela would have described the mass rapes carried out by Hamas on 7/10, or still perpetrated on hostages in the Gaza Strip, as 'freedom fighting'. And it was Barak, not Sharon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Israel Says Its Military Is Starting to Shift to a More Targeted Gaza Campaign U.S. officials say they believe the number of Israeli troops in the northern part of Gaza has dropped to less than half of the roughly 50,000 soldiers that had been present as recently as last month during the height of the campaign. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive issue. Still, Israeli officials have made clear to U.S. officials that, while they hope to complete the transition by the end of the month, the timeline is not fixed. If Israeli forces encounter Hamas resistance that is stiffer than expected, or discover threats that they did not anticipate, the size and pace of the withdrawal could slow, and intensive airstrikes could continue, they said. https://archive.ph/vq8E7 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/08/us/politics/israel-military-gaza.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300sd Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, CharlieH said: which include Israel agreeing to a "clear pathway to the realisation of Palestinian political rights and a Palestinian state" which he said was vital for long-term peace. I think it's the other side that needs to agree to a Palestinian state! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeworld Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, 300sd said: I think it's the other side that needs to agree to a Palestinian state! Suggest reading the 3 No's 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, CharlieH said: But he said he had heard a new and powerful message from Israel's neighbours over the last three days. I'll bet he did and IMO they would have been telling him to make the israelis stop the bombing and let enough aid in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat is a type of crazy Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: You guess a lot, carry on the guessing. Why not acknowledge they have gone too far - been too indiscriminate in their bombings and not taken reasonable steps to limit damage to life and property. It is not to say the war was not justified but that they have at times gone too far. I have only read a percentage of your posts on this topic, I admit, but you seem reticent to do that. Edited January 10 by Fat is a type of crazy 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, CharlieH said: America's top diplomat told a press conference in Tel Aviv that leaders in the region shared US concerns about the "dire humanitarian situation" on the ground. If the US is actually "concerned" and not just making the right noises, all they have to do is stop sending bombs and shells to israel. I suspect it's all just noise though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said: Why not acknowledge they have gone too far. It is not to say the war was not justified but that they have at times gone too far. I have only read a percentage of your posts on this topic, I admit, but you seem reticent to do that. He asks me that a lot, but fails to read my posts, here's just one that acknowledges that. The same can be said of this war. Hamas carries out war crimes systemically and daily, its part of its make up, how it fights. Using human shields are a war crime as is using the civilian infrastructure to fight from and of course rockets fired indiscriminately into civilian areas into Israel, along with a good percentage of those landing back in Gaza killing its own civilians. This is without even mentioning the 7th oct atrocities. The IDF has also made mistakes in its bombing campaign and admitted as such in some incidents, they could if investigated be possible war crimes? https://aseannow.com/topic/1315885-netanyahu-rejects-claims-accusing-israel-of-genocide-in-gaza/page/9/#comment-18599707 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeworld Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 36 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Israel Says Its Military Is Starting to Shift to a More Targeted Gaza Campaign U.S. officials say they believe the number of Israeli troops in the northern part of Gaza has dropped to less than half of the roughly 50,000 soldiers that had been present as recently as last month during the height of the campaign. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive issue. Still, Israeli officials have made clear to U.S. officials that, while they hope to complete the transition by the end of the month, the timeline is not fixed. If Israeli forces encounter Hamas resistance that is stiffer than expected, or discover threats that they did not anticipate, the size and pace of the withdrawal could slow, and intensive airstrikes could continue, they said. https://archive.ph/vq8E7 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/08/us/politics/israel-military-gaza.html Strange they would be doing this now considering the looming court case hearings starting about the same time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Off topic posts and some troll posts contravening our Community Standards have been removed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 19 minutes ago, freeworld said: Strange they would be doing this now considering the looming court case hearings starting about the same time. Is that not to be expected since they have now dismantled Hamas in Northern Gaza, why on earth would they keep so many troops there? Edited January 10 by Bkk Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: If the US is actually "concerned" and not just making the right noises, all they have to do is stop sending bombs and shells to israel. I suspect it's all just noise though. It is all just noise. We (the US) know Israel is doing the best they can in a tough situation, and that Hamas must be eradicated if there is ever to be peace in the region. To be clear, civilian deaths are terrible, but they are not happening in a vacuum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, ozimoron said: Netanyahu, the entire Israeli cabinet and the upper echelons of the IDF. And those who occupy equivalent positions in Hamas. @ozimoron That's just you saying thing you believe in. These aren't legal facts, regardless of how you misleadingly persist in presenting them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 35 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said: Why not acknowledge they have gone too far - been too indiscriminate in their bombings and not taken reasonable steps to limit damage to life and property. It is not to say the war was not justified but that they have at times gone too far. I have only read a percentage of your posts on this topic, I admit, but you seem reticent to do that. There are a whole lot of people making comments about 'reasonable steps' etc, without the benefit of having a clue, or even bothering to compare the current campaign with others, on this score. Biden aide: Israel taking steps to protect civilians that even US might not have done https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-aide-israel-taking-steps-to-protect-civilians-that-even-us-might-not-have-done/ People don't seem to realize what the conditions and circumstances are, or are somehow expecting war in densely populated urban setting, with terrorists embedded within civilian population (and using it as shield) to be 'clean'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 38 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: If the US is actually "concerned" and not just making the right noises, all they have to do is stop sending bombs and shells to israel. I suspect it's all just noise though. @thaibeachlovers You mean like your 'condemnations' of Hamas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 28 minutes ago, freeworld said: Strange they would be doing this now considering the looming court case hearings starting about the same time. It was in the works before South Africa's move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Other points Blinken mentioned, missed by the BBC: "Hamas could have ended this on October 8th by not hiding behind civilians, by putting down its weapons, by surrendering, and by releasing the hostages. None of the suffering - none of the suffering - would have happened if Hamas hadn't done what it did on October 7th and had it made different decisions thereafter." Blinken calls genocide case against Israel ‘meritless’ U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Tuesday denounced Israel being referred to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for alleged genocide during its war in Gaza, calling the claim “meritless.” The Biden administration, he said, believes the submission against Israel “distracts the world” from efforts such as securing the remaining hostages taken by Hamas during its Oct. 7 attack of Israel, addressing the humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip, and preventing the conflict from spreading. “And moreover, the charge of genocide is meritless,” he added. https://thehill.com/policy/international/4398781-israel-gaza-blinken-genocide-case-meritless/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, freeworld said: Strange they would be doing this now considering the looming court case hearings starting about the same time. could be scaling back because of those X,s appearing on the wanted list ? The Aces and Kings and Queens aren't in Gaza 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeworld Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: could be scaling back because of those X,s appearing on the wanted list ? The Aces and Kings and Queens aren't in Gaza 20 out of 52 is about 38% seems scaling back is one interpretation of the reason. Edited January 10 by freeworld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 12 minutes ago, freeworld said: 20 out of 52 is about 38% seems scaling back is one interpretation of the reason. They planned this over 3 weeks ago: Dec 14th 2023 Israel’s current large-scale operation is the last one in Gaza Generals prepare for a lower-intensity campaign against Hamas https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/12/14/israels-current-large-scale-operation-is-the-last-one-in-gaza https://archive.ph/9X1ya 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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