US and UK hint at military action after largest Houthi attack in Red Sea

[natway09]

At the very least give the sailors some hand grenades for the boats that come close

[spidermike007]

8 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Only if you promise not to whine afterwards about civilian casualties, massacres, slaughter, genocide and so on....

Nah. My whining about genocide is usually confined to complaints about the Chinese, the Israelis, and the Russians. 

[Danderman123]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Here we go again. Does the west never learn that wars in the Middle east are never a good idea?

They just extracted themselves from Afghanistan and want to get into another intractable problem war.

Stupidity writ large.

 

Save us from politicians.

so your suggestion is.......?

[Bkk Brian]

With all this warning to the world lets just get on and do it before Houthis hides too much of its arsenal.

 

Sunak authorises British airstrikes against Houthi rebels in Red Sea

One Whitehall source said the US-led response would be limited but significant, and was likely to involve British aircraft such as Typhoons based at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus.

The co-ordinated strikes are expected to be similar in scale to those launched in April 2018 by the US, UK and France against President Assad’s Syrian chemical weapons facilities. They involved planes and missiles launched from ships against targets on land.
Sunak told President Sisi of Egypt, a key ally in the region, that Britain would “continue to take action to defend freedom of navigation and protect lives at sea”.

https://archive.ph/CAccZ

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/red-sea-rishi-sunak-cabinet-military-action-uk-us-houthis-5jt8vfjlv

 

 

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

With all this warning to the world lets just get on and do it before Houthis hides too much of its arsenal.

 

Sunak authorises British airstrikes against Houthi rebels in Red Sea

One Whitehall source said the US-led response would be limited but significant, and was likely to involve British aircraft such as Typhoons based at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus.

The co-ordinated strikes are expected to be similar in scale to those launched in April 2018 by the US, UK and France against President Assad’s Syrian chemical weapons facilities. They involved planes and missiles launched from ships against targets on land.
Sunak told President Sisi of Egypt, a key ally in the region, that Britain would “continue to take action to defend freedom of navigation and protect lives at sea”.

https://archive.ph/CAccZ

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/red-sea-rishi-sunak-cabinet-military-action-uk-us-houthis-5jt8vfjlv

 

 

They did it hope everyone returned safely and they clobbered them!

[Danderman123]

Now the handwringing about Houthi casualties will start.

[JonnyF]

The UK should have nothing to do with the US until Biden is removed from power. Certainly not in terms of joint military action. He has done nothing but undermine British sovereignty since he became POTUS. 

 

Maybe "Oirish Joe" can call Varadkar and get him to help seeing as he loves the Irish so much. 

[Chomper Higgot]

36 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The UK should have nothing to do with the US until Biden is removed from power. Certainly not in terms of joint military action. He has done nothing but undermine British sovereignty since he became POTUS. 

 

Maybe "Oirish Joe" can call Varadkar and get him to help seeing as he loves the Irish so much. 

What has President Biden done to undermine British Sovereignty?

 

Give it your best shot Jonny.

[Georgealbert]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Here we go again. Does the west never learn that wars in the Middle east are never a good idea?

They just extracted themselves from Afghanistan and want to get into another intractable problem war.

Stupidity writ large.

 

Save us from politicians.

Another day, another rant. Do you just troll this forum to see how much BS you can post every day.

 

So you defend Gaza, Hamas, when it is under attack, but if the pro Gaza, Houthi,  launch an attack against foreign Navy's or civilians, you blame the defenders.

 

Your only consistency is inconsistency.

 

Again you prove your in an empty echo chamber and only hear yourself and your views. You ignore everyone so are ignorant of any reality. 

[RayC]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The UK should have nothing to do with the US until Biden is removed from power. Certainly not in terms of joint military action. He has done nothing but undermine British sovereignty since he became POTUS. 

 

Maybe "Oirish Joe" can call Varadkar and get him to help seeing as he loves the Irish so much. 

 

An "interesting" foreign policy strategy. Having alienated our geographically closest allies, you suggest that we should now alienate our most powerful diplomatic, economic and military ally.

 

Are we trying to emulate North Korea or are we going 'all in' and aiming to be Cambodia circa 1975?

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

We'll get the trade deal with the US as soon as Trump is re-elected.

 

Be sure to let me know when the EU gets one .

 

Democrats like Obama and Biden were always anti British sovereignty, same as you are. Biden especially has done his best to undermine Brexit (Obama actually helped to get it over the line - thanks Barack!) but he's a senile old man and won't be in power much longer. Then he'll be free to pretend to be Irish as much as he likes.  

Alternatively, you were lied to and you swallowed the lies.

 

Those ‘warm sunlit uplands’ are a just over the horizon, keep the faith Jonny, keep the faith.

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

An "interesting" foreign policy strategy. Having alienated our geographically closest allies, you suggest that we should now alienate our most powerful diplomatic, economic and military ally.

 

Are we trying to emulate North Korea or are we going 'all in' and aiming to be Cambodia circa 1975?

 

Only until Biden has gone. If he wants to undermine our sovereign decisions I would advocate refusing military co-operation. 

 

My response would be simple. "Let's go Brandon". 

[RayC]

20 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

We'll get the trade deal with the US as soon as Trump is re-elected.

 

Be sure to let me know when the EU gets one .

 

Democrats like Obama and Biden were always anti British sovereignty, same as you are. Biden especially has done his best to undermine Brexit (Obama actually helped to get it over the line - thanks Barack!) but he's a senile old man and won't be in power much longer. Then he'll be free to pretend to be Irish as much as he likes.  

 

In what seems like an ever changing world, there are some things which remain constant.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1ZQ114/

 

A meaningful UK - US trade deal any time soon? No, I don't think so, no matter who ends up in the White House.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Only until Biden has gone. If he wants to undermine our sovereign decisions I would advocate refusing military co-operation. 

 

My response would be simple. "Let's go Brandon". 

Biden has not undermined any British sovereign decisions.

 

The UK made a mistake and the consequences are coming home to roost, it’s not Biden’s fault, it’s nobody’s fault beyond those who lied to you and those who swallowed the lies.

 

Personal responsibility and all that.

 

 

[Morch]

13 hours ago, charleskerins said:

Apparently they are involved

 

Indeed.

But my post was about 'directly' involved, and in reply to some end-of-days, WWIII comment.

[Morch]

12 hours ago, BusyB said:

 

The ME right now reminds me a little of the Balkans before WW1. That doesn't mean things have to go down like they did in 1914, but it is a splintered, feuding and instable region with numerous small countries and fiefdoms. Outside major powers are circling and vying for advantage, all with any number of official and especially unofficial alliances and clan treaties. Even the regional religion is split into two hostile factions.

 

It is a bit of a tinderbox indeed.

 

Maybe not a good idea to play with tinderboxes in the ME. All that oil.....

[Morch]

11 hours ago, natway09 said:

At the very least give the sailors some hand grenades for the boats that come close

 

Without proper training, they'd either be ineffective, hurt themselves, or piss off the attackers even more.

[Morch]

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Nah. My whining about genocide is usually confined to complaints about the Chinese, the Israelis, and the Russians. 

 

At least you do not fear to openly admit your biased opinions.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The UK should have nothing to do with the US until Biden is removed from power. Certainly not in terms of joint military action. He has done nothing but undermine British sovereignty since he became POTUS. 

 

Maybe "Oirish Joe" can call Varadkar and get him to help seeing as he loves the Irish so much. 

 

The Houthis hijack ships.

Some posters hijack topics.

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

The Houthis hijack ships.

Some posters hijack topics.

 

The topic is about UK-US co-operation.

 

Personally I think the UK should steer clear of any more military adventures with the US. I have held this opinion ever since Blair teamed up with Bush with his illegal war following the WMD lies. I am concerned Sunak will lose more British lives by joining in America's war mongering. Leave Biden to it.

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

The topic is about UK-US co-operation.

 

Personally I think the UK should steer clear of any more military adventures with the US. I have held this opinion ever since Blair teamed up with Bush with his illegal war following the WMD lies. I am concerned Sunak will lose more British lives by joining in America's war mongering. Leave Biden to it.

 

Indeed. And this sort of cooperation would have happened under any respective government.

You're just trying to hijack the topic, in order to push your anti-Biden agenda, nothing more.

[freeworld]

21 hours ago, charleskerins said:

Dear Mr Joe Biden     wait a while closer to election then geT the US Navy to destroy them ,have a press conference  -  we need them to die to save Democracy.

 

 

More like the Houthis are interfering with G7 economics and money making avenues (read national security)

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, charleskerins said:

there are surgical strikes

LOL. The Houthis are in home territory, it's a large country, and "surgical strikes" only work if the target doesn't keep moving around. Yemen isn't like Gaza where the opposition knows everything going on as it happens. They will be aware of surveillance flights/ satellites, and will be on the lookout for special forces.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. The Houthis are in home territory, it's a large country, and "surgical strikes" only work if the target doesn't keep moving around. Yemen isn't like Gaza where the opposition knows everything going on as it happens. They will be aware of surveillance flights/ satellites, and will be on the lookout for special forces.

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

The Military Expert Has Spoken.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Morch said:

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

Being the strategic genius that you are, how would you tackle the fact that this group is disrupting international maritime commerce?

Given that you asked- the Houthis have said they are only targeting israeli linked vessels, so unless they prove that isn't true, I'd tell any shipping company with israeli contacts to take the long way around Africa and let the rest carry on through Suez.

 

Given the apparent lack of enthusiasm by other countries to join in the naval fun, I suspect they ain't buying the US claims of imminent disaster if the Houthis are left un invaded.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

You're entitled to your opinion.

 

No doubt you think we'd have had one if we'd have stayed in the EU .

 

The EU would like a trade deal with the US. However, unlike the UK it doesn't need one and it certainly doesn't need to accept a US-dictated 'take it or leave it' deal, which is the most that the UK can hope for.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that you asked- the Houthis have said they are only targeting israeli linked vessels, so unless they prove that isn't true, I'd tell any shipping company with israeli contacts to take the long way around Africa and let the rest carry on through Suez.

 

Given the apparent lack of enthusiasm by other countries to join in the naval fun, I suspect they ain't buying the US claims of imminent disaster if the Houthis are left un invaded.

How wrong you are on both counts @thaibeachlovers

 

This is not just about the US and UK playing in the naval fun, perhaps read the full topic next time:

 

"UK, US, Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, South Korea and Singapore, who launched "Operation Prosperity Guardian" last month to protect Red Sea shipping."

 

[Morch]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that you asked- the Houthis have said they are only targeting israeli linked vessels, so unless they prove that isn't true, I'd tell any shipping company with israeli contacts to take the long way around Africa and let the rest carry on through Suez.

 

Given the apparent lack of enthusiasm by other countries to join in the naval fun, I suspect they ain't buying the US claims of imminent disaster if the Houthis are left un invaded.

 

@thaibeachlovers

 

It's funny how you sometimes claim you 'ignore' posters, then reply to them. About as consistent as your reasoning and grasp of facts.

 

The Houthis claim things, you take their word for it, despite shipping companies and Western governments saying otherwise. That's nice.

 

Also, what you're basically suggesting is to accept a situation in which whenever the Houthis feel like, they are at liberty to block international maritime trade, in international waters. You 'accept' this because it suits your political stance vs. Israel. If it was a different situation, I'm pretty sure you'd claim otherwise.

 

As for 'lack of enthusiasm', there are several countries involved, not all with military assets in the region. Given that so far things have not got out of hand, it's an appropriate scope. If the Houthis push things further, other countries will join in or add to the diplomatic pressure applied.

 

As for your last bit - I don't think anyone but you really envisages an 'invasion'.

 

 

 

[RayC]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. The Houthis are in home territory, it's a large country, and "surgical strikes" only work if the target doesn't keep moving around. Yemen isn't like Gaza where the opposition knows everything going on as it happens. They will be aware of surveillance flights/ satellites, and will be on the lookout for special forces.

 

Never let it be said that you allow facts to get in the way of your opinion.

 

I'm no military strategist but this map suggests to me that it won't be that easy for the Houthis to simply move around Yemen as they see fit.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-67952029?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=65a098d2a860e05c542a298e%26Map showing Houthi-controlled territory%262024-01-12T02%3A53%3A57.314Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:2bc0b6d9-7e0f-4d71-9716-badfcfb27cb2&pinned_post_asset_id=65a098d2a860e05c542a298e&pinned_post_type=share

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