Biden Widens Lead over Trump in New Poll, Gender Gap Widens

[Walker88]

4 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

What you describe was not what the polls were predicting back then, again right up to election night. I can't remember exact numbers but the prognostications weren't even close. Hilldog was supposed to win in a landslide

That is untrue.

 

Polls close to the election had them close, with Hillary expected to take the popular vote. She did.

 

The Electoral College put the popular vote loser over the top. It also helped that Putin's funding of Jill Stein's campaign took votes from Clinton. trump's margin over Clinton was less than the votes Stein got in MI, and WI, and quite close in PA. Putin had learned from Perot '92 and Nader '00 what a 3rd Party candidate close to one major Party candidate can do, so funded tree-hugger Stein.

 

 

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[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

The polls had Hillary beating orange jeezuz up until the actual vote. Polls are WORSE than worthless.

Actually the 2016 polls were accurate. 

 

Do you disagree?

[BenStark]

14 hours ago, Social Media said:

A new poll by Quinnipiac University

 

Is this the alter ego of Thailand Super Poll organisation?

[Walker88]

January Jobs Number:

 

Expectation: +180,000

 

Actual: +353,000

 

Bidenomics has the US booming.

[Tug]

2 hours ago, BenStark said:

 

Is this the alter ego of Thailand Super Poll organisation?

If I may…..it’s results ,stellar stock market excellent unemployment #s real meaningful legislation accomplished (in these divisive times no less) inflation being tamped down standing with our allies standing for democracy revitalizing nato and on and on.Im trying to be polite here…..whereas trump is total chaos milking the border crisis for votes at the cost of Americans ,shivving Ukraine in the guts ,pandering to the worst tyrants on our planet adding 25% to our deficit at no gain to the country dear lord do I even need to mention how livid the women folk are with him setting them back 50 years…..I even haven’t mentioned his attempted coup nor the 91 felony’s he earned the mishandling of Covid costing 10s of thousands of American lives…..no sir with all due respect it’s the results he’s toast he’s headed to the big house all earned by his own actions  not the White House 

[BenStark]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

January Jobs Number:

 

Expectation: +180,000

 

Actual: +353,000

 

Bidenomics has the US booming.

 

Easy peasy when adding government workers like army, police, firefighters and others.

 

As easy as increasing GDP by giving weapons away to countries where you have instigated a war

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

Easy peasy when adding government workers like army, police, firefighters and others.

 

As easy as increasing GDP by giving weapons away to countries where you have instigated a war

But you are wrong:

 

Job growth was widespread in January, led by professional and business services with 74,000. Other significant contributors included health care (70,000) and retail trade (45,000).

 

As for instigating a war, where was that?

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[Walker88]

3 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

Easy peasy when adding government workers like army, police, firefighters and others.

 

As easy as increasing GDP by giving weapons away to countries where you have instigated a war

Typical trumper: dead wrong

 

Professional and business services: +74,000

Healthcare services (i.e. fat trumpers needing diabetes type II treatment): +70,000

Retail Trade (because flush consumers are out shopping): +45,000

[BenStark]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

5 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

Easy peasy when adding government workers like army, police, firefighters and others.

 

As easy as increasing GDP by giving weapons away to countries where you have instigated a war

But you are wrong:

 

Job growth was widespread in January, led by professional and business services with 74,000. Other significant contributors included health care (70,000) and retail trade (45,000).

 

Thanks for confirming my stance

 

From your link

 

Job growth was widespread on the month, led by professional and business services with 74,000. Other significant contributors included health care (70,000), retail trade (45,000), government (36,000), social assistance (30,000) and manufacturing (23,000).

 

 

So that is 142.000 jobs that are not in any way government related

[BenStark]

3 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Typical trumper: dead wrong

 

Professional and business services: +74,000

Healthcare services (i.e. fat trumpers needing diabetes type II treatment): +70,000

Retail Trade (because flush consumers are out shopping): +45,000

 

And where are the other ~200.00 coming from, for which you are ignorant?

[anotherexpat4444]

most of these people celebrating these polls in this thread are not american citizens . these people celebrate  the america in decline .  

[Walker88]

24 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

And where are the other ~200.00 coming from, for which you are ignorant?

I just gave you the highlights.  Oh, and December was adjusted UP, from the original +216,000 to +333,000. The +23,000 in manufacturing is fantastic.

 

You think trump's numbers---which were much lower than Biden's---are any different? The number is called "Non-farm payroll", so it's ALWAYS a mix. The fact is, the number is huge. More Americans working and getting a paycheck. More Americans are working today than ever in US history.

 

It really hurts that Biden is doing so well for the economy. You must be begging for a crash like traitor trump.

 

Perhaps come later this year, the US will even have to hire a few more prison guards to look after the inmate trump.

 

It just gets better and better.

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[Danderman123]

27 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

Thanks for confirming my stance

 

From your link

 

Job growth was widespread on the month, led by professional and business services with 74,000. Other significant contributors included health care (70,000), retail trade (45,000), government (36,000), social assistance (30,000) and manufacturing (23,000).

 

 

So that is 142.000 jobs that are not in any way government related

36,000 jobs in government.

 

Healthcare in America is private. Social assistance means charitable work.

[Danderman123]

While Colbert says he’s not exactly sure what Biden did to see that rise in voters, he joked that “political analysts think it may be his strategy of standing still while his opponent repeatedly quotes Hitler.”

[Tug]

51 minutes ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

most of these people celebrating these polls in this thread are not american citizens . these people celebrate  the america in decline .  

Perhaps,tho many are American 🇺🇸 myself among them,personally I find the biggest supporters of trump are foreigners I suspect some have a saint Petersburg address if you catch my drift.that being said seems to me that trump is an incredible asset to Americas enemies he certainly performs better for them than for us!!Joe Biden is getting positive results for my country I appreciate it and yes I wish he was younger that being said he has assembled an excellent team we are seeing the results and he has the good sense to let them do their think kudos Joe Biden thanks and you are indeed one magnificent old duffer!!

[thaicurious]

"...hypothetical, Nikki Haley leads Biden 47% to 42%"

 

I'd contend that at this point there is no objectively projectable, hypothetical Haley v Biden because even if he did nothing, there'd still be a wide orange shadow cast over the 2024 election, and unless he's muzzled in solitary confinement where he belongs, does anyone think Putin's puppet won't get his MAGA Republican puppets to sabotage Nimbra (orange racist naming) aka Nimarata Nikki Randhawa (birth name)? Or do you really think he's so concerned with policy that in a Biden v Haley matchup he'd put his misogyny aside & subdue his ego having had just lost a primary to Haley to sick his MAGA on Joe?

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

most of these people celebrating these polls in this thread are not american citizens . these people celebrate  the america in decline .  

You mean these are foreigners who hate America, and want Trump to win.

 

I guess I could check when they post to see if their posts coincide with Moscow business hours.

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, thaicurious said:

"...hypothetical, Nikki Haley leads Biden 47% to 42%"

 

I'd contend that at this point there is no objectively projectable, hypothetical Haley v Biden because even if he did nothing, there'd still be a wide orange shadow cast over the 2024 election, and unless he's muzzled in solitary confinement where he belongs, does anyone think Putin's puppet won't get his MAGA Republican puppets to sabotage Nimbra (orange racist naming) aka Nimarata Nikki Randhawa (birth name)? Or do you really think he's so concerned with policy that in a Biden v Haley matchup he'd put his misogyny aside & subdue his ego having had just lost a primary to Haley to sick his MAGA on Joe?

Trump would want Haley to win because she promised to pardon him.

[thaicurious]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump would want Haley to win because she promised to pardon him.

Right, because we've seen how the threat of jail prevents his misbehaving.

[Walker88]

22 hours ago, MonteD said:

 

 

Yes, you have it. It will be even worse when trump loses yet again...but 2024 might be about the number of years in jail he will be sentenced for his crime spree.

 

THAT is one reason why I despise anyone and everyone who supports trump.

 

This is not an ideological difference, such as liberal vs conservative. It is nothing more than good vs evil. trump is evil.

 

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[Walker88]

All of trump's delay tactics say he knows he's guilty as sin. He just believes he's entitled to commit whatever crime he feels like committing, just as he felt entitled to grab any woman by her lady bits. That's why he's seeking immunity. The trial delays and endless appeals are in the pointless hope he will win in November and then pardon himself.

 

He cannot win. It would have been much smarter to back a young candidate who at least has a chance of beating Biden, and telling that candidate he will toss all his goobers into the candidate's camp if the candidate promises trump a pardon.

 

Of course even then, trump can't be pardoned for his defamation, nor bank and insurance fraud convictions, not even the RICO charges in Georgia, as those are all State charges. The GA RICO charge carries a mandatory 5 year prison sentence if convicted, which for an obese 78 year old slob with increasing dementia, that's really a life sentence.

[spidermike007]

12 hours ago, mfd101 said:

Having to choose between a Crazy and a pre-dementia Ol' Man who can't remember which day of the week it is says nothing good about the Greatest Country in the World. There must be 1001 people who would be 'better qualified' than either, though the Usofan system is geared to appoint new Presidents from a list of people noone ever heard of before. Being 'qualified' gets you appointed to the Cabinet, not as President.

 

The Crazy is clearly high risk, domestically though not necessarily internationally. He at least frightens the Chinese, which can't be a bad thing. He also frightens the Europeans, which is entertaining.

 

The Ol' Man gets by as long as he has good people around him. But I guess that applies to most 'leaders' everywhere. Who should I follow this week?

 

Thank goodness I'm not Usofan.

 

 

 

 

I think politics in America have degenerated to the point where a decent person, a person with some integrity, would simply not be attracted to the office. The race is too grueling and the presidency itself is a horrific job, so only a very power hungry, megalomaniac type would even want the job. I think Biden's doing it out of a sense of obligation, but the days of high quality people running for that office are in the rear view. We will only see very low quality candidates in the future. 

[spidermike007]

On 2/2/2024 at 5:11 PM, morrobay said:

 

Wrong : The president has authority to federalize the states national guards to control civil unrest and crime. It has been done.

 

 

Using the National Guard to control looting at CVS would be a very bizarre and extreme act. 

 

I was in a CVS a couple of weeks ago buying laundry detergent and they have the big bottles of Tide locked up with a chain and lock. I think the security guards should be allowed to take whatever action they see fit. 

[spidermike007]

11 hours ago, JCauto said:

Justin Bieber is Canadian so that ain't gonna work...

Pauly Shore, Bill Burr, Matt Damon, Taylor Fritz, or Celine Dion. They would all be far more qualified than the huge cheater. 

[spidermike007]

12 hours ago, newnative said:

     She did beat him in the 'actual vote' so the polls were correct.  Trump was saved by the cursed Electoral College.  In two presidential runs, he has never gotten even 50% of the vote.  Lost to Clinton by 2 million actual votes and Biden by 7 million--after Americans had seen Trump's very poor job as President for four years.  Always embarrassing when an incumbent President loses with all the perks he has going for him being President.  With oodles of serious criminal indictments hanging over his head, I can't see him doing any better in 2024, likely worse.  Way too much baggage for most sane voters.

The Electoral college is an abomination that has to be abolished. It may have worked 150 years ago, but there is absolutely no place for it in American society today. 

[Skipalongcassidy]

12 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The Electoral college is an abomination that has to be abolished. It may have worked 150 years ago, but there is absolutely no place for it in American society today. 

Why did it work 150 years ago and not today... the concept remains the same... The United States was founded as a democratic republic not as a democracy... the founding fathers were right then and they remain right now on the damage that the "mob" can do.

[Skipalongcassidy]

9 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Typical trumper: dead wrong

 

Professional and business services: +74,000

Healthcare services (i.e. fat trumpers needing diabetes type II treatment): +70,000

Retail Trade (because flush consumers are out shopping): +45,000

Dec 7 (Reuters) - U.S. employers increased their announced job cuts in November, led by the retail and technology sectors, in a further sign that the labor market is beginning to slacken, a report released on Thursday showed.

Announced job layoffs by U.S.-based employers totaled 45,510 last month, up 24% from 38,836 in October, global outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas said in the report.

While it was the first time since July the announced cuts were lower than the corresponding month a year ago, the year-to-date tally was the highest since 2020, when the economy was swooning amid the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic.

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Hiring plans also appeared to have weakened. U.S. employers in November announced plans to hire 15,566 workers, for a year-to-date total of 775,501. It is the lowest year-to-date total for announced hiring since 2015.

Likewise, seasonal employers have announced 573,300 hires this year through November, the lowest year-to-date tally since 2013.

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1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Dec 7 (Reuters) - U.S. employers increased their announced job cuts in November, led by the retail and technology sectors, in a further sign that the labor market is beginning to slacken, a report released on Thursday showed.

Announced job layoffs by U.S.-based employers totaled 45,510 last month, up 24% from 38,836 in October, global outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas said in the report.

While it was the first time since July the announced cuts were lower than the corresponding month a year ago, the year-to-date tally was the highest since 2020, when the economy was swooning amid the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic.

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Hiring plans also appeared to have weakened. U.S. employers in November announced plans to hire 15,566 workers, for a year-to-date total of 775,501. It is the lowest year-to-date total for announced hiring since 2015.

Likewise, seasonal employers have announced 573,300 hires this year through November, the lowest year-to-date tally since 2013.

I see that you don't grasp what the figures mean. Increased layoffs by themselves tell us nothing without knowing about hiring figures. For example:

"The report also indicated that December’s job gains were much better than originally reported. The month posted a gain of 333,000, which was an upward revision of 117,000 from the initial estimate."

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/02/us-economy-added-353000-jobs-in-january-much-better-than-expected.html

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1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Dec 7 (Reuters) - U.S. employers increased their announced job cuts in November, led by the retail and technology sectors, in a further sign that the labor market is beginning to slacken, a report released on Thursday showed.

Announced job layoffs by U.S.-based employers totaled 45,510 last month, up 24% from 38,836 in October, global outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas said in the report.

While it was the first time since July the announced cuts were lower than the corresponding month a year ago, the year-to-date tally was the highest since 2020, when the economy was swooning amid the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic.

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Hiring plans also appeared to have weakened. U.S. employers in November announced plans to hire 15,566 workers, for a year-to-date total of 775,501. It is the lowest year-to-date total for announced hiring since 2015.

Likewise, seasonal employers have announced 573,300 hires this year through November, the lowest year-to-date tally since 2013.

Here's some more bad news for you:

 

Revisions show even stronger job growth in 2023 than first reported.
Job growth was strong in 2023. Revised data makes it look even stronger.

The Labor Department on Friday said that employers added 3.1 million jobs last year, more than the 2.7 million initially reported last month. That makes 2023 the best year for job growth since 1999 — not counting the previous two years, when the labor market was still emerging from its pandemic hole.

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[newnative]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The Electoral college is an abomination that has to be abolished. It may have worked 150 years ago, but there is absolutely no place for it in American society today. 

     Totally agree.  I never saw the need even from the get-go and it's certainly not needed or wanted now, except possibly by Republicans.  It has literally turned US Presidential elections into travesties where only the 'swing' states are deemed important and 'safe' states are pretty much ignored by the candidates.

     Ludicrous that the will of the voters was ignored in 2016--two million more voters wanted Clinton over Trump and a handful of votes in a few states were able to flip the cursed Electoral College.  Another handful of votes here and there and Trump could have won in 2020, even though he lost the popular vote by 7 million.   Madness.   Ditto for the 2000 election with Gore getting more votes than Bush--we would have been spared 8 years of the Cheney presidency.  Time for US presidential elections to listen to the voters and not the cursed EC--the voters are usually right.