GOP delivers death blow to bipartisan border bill

[EVENKEEL]

9 hours ago, Tug said:

Untrue the dems have bee attempting legislation for years and usually Mitch McConnell shoots it down.in my humble opinion we are witnessing what trump plans if we are saddled with this (fill in here)again,pure revenge spite and bile.the president of Ukraine Mr Zelenskyy is a for real leader of historic stature for all the right reasons a leader like Nelson to the Britt’s or Washington to us Americans.Now trump is trying to exact revenge on a whole nation fighting for its life because the president of that nation wouldent lie for trump.trump in the guise of wealth and the position of an ex president is a vile petty small little creature he should never ever be allowed near power again and that’s not even getting into the immigration bill!let’s get this abomination behind bars were he belongs!

It started at the 2020 debates where biden told migrants to surge the border when he becomes president. 

 

bidden created this disaster and now you want America to trust him to fix it.

[EVENKEEL]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

bless.

 

Seeking a better life in America, that’s a thing right?

 

Struggling to figure it out, ask your forefathers.

 

 

So another words, you have nothing.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

So another words, you have nothing.

The American Dream, it’s a big pull, has been for centuries.

 

Good luck trying to build a wall around it.

[EVENKEEL]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The American Dream, it’s a big pull, has been for centuries.

 

Good luck trying to build a wall around it.

Times have changed. So, a non American is in favor of US having open borders, your opinion is rather meaningless.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Times have changed. So, a non American is in favor of US having open borders, your opinion is rather meaningless.

More baseless guessing on your part.

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More baseless guessing on your part.

 

 

More? No, me thinks I'm spot on.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

More? No, me thinks I'm spot on.

You’ll find the topic of discussion at the top of the thread, you’ll also find that topic is not me or anything you imagine about me.

 

[herfiehandbag]

15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The American Dream, it’s a big pull, has been for centuries.

 

Good luck trying to build a wall around it.

I rather suspect that camps are the flavour of the month now, rather than walls; if the "dictator for a day" gets back in the White House we can look forward to a comprehensive network of camps across the USA, together with swoops, roundups and crackdowns.

 

It may only be " for a day" but the dictats and plans will be ready for signing off. That will only take a day! Donald's Sharpie is going to take a hammering.

 

 

 

 

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[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Walker88 said:

The Bill not only contained an extensive-Senate Republican-written plan to work on border issues, but also included emergency assistance for Ukraine and Israel. "Dead on arrival" means brave Ukrainians short on ammo to fight the invading russians, will likely lose territory and suffer thousands more civilian casualties. No aid for Israel removes any bargaining power the US might have to work out any sort of solution in Gaza, which also means more innocent civilian deaths.

Your contention is dependent on Ukraine actually being able to "win", when IMO that is a pipe dream, and was never going to happen. It's been great for arms dealers though.

 

Any deaths in Ukraine IMO are on Biden for supporting Ukraine militarily instead of not mediating a deal. The situation should never have reached an invasion.

The catastrophe is IMO entirely the west's fault for supporting a proxy war. Zelensky IMO was a fool for imagining that the west would support him indefinitely, as he is finding out now, the hard way, after thousands of deaths and much destruction of infrastructure.

IMO cutting aid to Ukraine to force them to negotiate is the only way to end this war that should never have happened.

[candide]

4 hours ago, illisdean said:

Maybe he lost $98M in radioactive isotopes sales, and now today, Putin's probablu sitting back, having a laugh at Biden's DOJ report on his cognitive decline, and memory problems and so on further revealing just how weak and feeble Biden is, which more than explains why Biden has failed miserably at home, abroad, EVERYWHERE and really started after destroying Trumps very effective border security policies followed by Biden's humiliating epic Afghanistan debacle and now the recent failures dealing with Iran costing needless carnage against American service members in Jordan. Biden is nothing short of certifiably  demented, mentally unfit and he's the president! LOL. Putin must be roaring with laughter along with America too and the entire globe today! America's enemies are further emboldened and who wouldn't be when your own DOJ reports Biden is too mentally unfit to face criminal charges. LOL!

 

America is run  represented by a basket-case, the name is Biden.

Putin is certainly not laughing at Biden since he decided to help Ukraine and gather other NATO members.

 

Putin is certainly laughing because his pal Trump and MAGAs are de facto helping him.

 

He was at least partially right when he assessed, after the Jan.6 riot, that the U.S. was politically too divided to oppose him, and therefore decided to invade Ukraine.

[Danderman123]

On 2/8/2024 at 12:09 PM, Hanaguma said:

Really... the bill would let 5000 per day cross the border illegally.  It did nothing to address the human smugglers. Nothing to attempt to keep the 'migrants' in supervised detention until their cases were heard. And nothing to punish those who employ them. 

The bipartisan border deal would not allow 5,000 illegal crossings per day, despite what Trump says

 

Clearly, you care more about carrying Trump's water than about border security.

 

Couldn't you check one of Trump's claims before repeating it here?

[Danderman123]

On 2/9/2024 at 1:55 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Your contention is dependent on Ukraine actually being able to "win", when IMO that is a pipe dream, and was never going to happen. It's been great for arms dealers though.

 

Any deaths in Ukraine IMO are on Biden for supporting Ukraine militarily instead of not mediating a deal. The situation should never have reached an invasion.

The catastrophe is IMO entirely the west's fault for supporting a proxy war. Zelensky IMO was a fool for imagining that the west would support him indefinitely, as he is finding out now, the hard way, after thousands of deaths and much destruction of infrastructure.

IMO cutting aid to Ukraine to force them to negotiate is the only way to end this war that should never have happened.

So, should Britain have called for Poland to negotiate a surrender after Nazi Germany invaded?

 

Your support for the invasion of Ukraine is sad. You can't appease crazy dictators bent on conquest.

[Danderman123]

On 2/8/2024 at 8:22 PM, EVENKEEL said:

So another words, you have nothing.

Nothing is what the Republican House is doing about border security, under orders from Trump.

[heybruce]

On 2/8/2024 at 10:09 AM, Hanaguma said:

Really... the bill would let 5000 per day cross the border illegally.  It did nothing to address the human smugglers. Nothing to attempt to keep the 'migrants' in supervised detention until their cases were heard. And nothing to punish those who employ them. 

Do you really not know that is BS?  https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/feb/06/steve-scalise/no-the-senate-immigration-bill-does-not-allow-5000/

[heybruce]

On 2/8/2024 at 6:21 PM, EVENKEEL said:

It started at the 2020 debates where biden told migrants to surge the border when he becomes president. 

 

bidden created this disaster and now you want America to trust him to fix it.

BS.  Provide a link proving that nonsense claim about the debates.

[Danderman123]

On 2/8/2024 at 8:21 PM, EVENKEEL said:

 

 

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[EVENKEEL]

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

BS.  Provide a link proving that nonsense claim about the debates.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

So, should Britain have called for Poland to negotiate a surrender after Nazi Germany invaded?

 

Your support for the invasion of Ukraine is sad. You can't appease crazy dictators bent on conquest.

You really will have to try harder. Perhaps you didn't do history at school.

Poland had a treaty with the UK that required it to defend Poland which meant war.

 

Ukraine had no treaty with America, or European nations.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

Isn't it great proving they they are wrong.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Nothing is what the Republican House is doing about border security, under orders from Trump.

Biden had 3 years to do something and he did nothing to stop them. He actually made it easier by cancelling wall construction.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Your support for the invasion of Ukraine is sad. You can't appease crazy dictators bent on conquest.

Stop lying. I supported negotiations before the invasion. Of course the truth is meaningless to you.

[Skipalongcassidy]

On 2/8/2024 at 8:25 AM, Danderman123 said:

It's such a crisis at the border that the Republicans are delaying action until 2025.

Why can't your demoncrats present a clean bill... that way the republicans will be backed into the corner to approve it and you win... oh wait... you don't really want to win you want to WHINE

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

He is speaking about legitimate asylem seekers, not illegal immigrants.

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Isn't it great proving they they are wrong.

It might be, if you could pull it off.

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Stop lying. I supported negotiations before the invasion. Of course the truth is meaningless to you.

Really?  What negotiations are you referring to?

[heybruce]

7 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Why can't your demoncrats present a clean bill... that way the republicans will be backed into the corner to approve it and you win... oh wait... you don't really want to win you want to WHINE

One person's "clean bill" is another person's worst nightmare.  It is Trump's nightmare that the situation on the border improves.  That's why he and his supporters opposed the bipartisan Senate bill supported by the Border Patrol union.  The want the border to be in chaos.

[EVENKEEL]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

He is speaking about legitimate asylem seekers, not illegal immigrants.

That's hilarious, maybe the definition of is will change the meaning as well. biden helped to create the border disaster, now they can't fix it.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

That's hilarious, maybe the definition of is will change the meaning as well. biden helped to create the border disaster, now they can't fix it.

Posted with genuine echo-chamber ignorance.  International law, which the US is following, allows legitimate asylum seekers to cross the border.

 

"The right to apply for asylum is enshrined in U.S. and international law. The qualifications resemble those for refugee status, but asylum seekers follow a different process. "  https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/seeking-protection-how-us-asylum-process-works

[Skipalongcassidy]

13 hours ago, heybruce said:

One person's "clean bill" is another person's worst nightmare.  It is Trump's nightmare that the situation on the border improves.  That's why he and his supporters opposed the bipartisan Senate bill supported by the Border Patrol union.  The want the border to be in chaos.

So you admit that joe's handling of the border is chaos...

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

That's hilarious, maybe the definition of is will change the meaning as well. biden helped to create the border disaster, now they can't fix it.

IMO Biden created it all by himself, by cancelling the wall, and now he can't fix it.