Tucker Carlson: Putin takes charge as TV host gives free rein to Kremlin

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, hotchilli said:

As if USA would leave evidence to it's involvement.

Stealth and proxy's are the USA way.

In other words, you have zero evidence, but you believe it anyway.

 

How do you describe someone like that?  Oh, I remember:  Down the rabbit hole.

[hotchilli]

Just now, heybruce said:

No, I think you are.

 

What sources do you cite to support your posts?

 

Before you divert by challenging me to do the same, scroll up the page and you'll see.

I'm not challenging you or anyone else to anything, I'm stating my opinion as you are yours... we're both entitled to do that.

If you don't like mine feel free to skip it or delete me.

[heybruce]

4 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

I've done my research, others need to do the same.

Prove it.  Provide links to some of your "research".

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, hotchilli said:

I'm not challenging you or anyone else to anything, I'm stating my opinion as you are yours... we're both entitled to do that.

If you don't like mine feel free to skip it or delete me.

Yes, you are posting conspiracy theory "opinions" with zero evidence and stating them as facts. 

[Caldera]

Such a sad excuse for a journalist, that was a thoroughly despicable performance.

 

Kudos to Putin though, he played his dumb interviewer like a fiddle. 

[Lacessit]

25 minutes ago, uttradit said:

His life is probably better than yours. If being a billionaire dictator, living in palaces with maids and chefs, women at your call is losing then what is David doing on Soi 6?

 

I'm not living with an army of security staff, in fear of assassination. I'm not having every meal tasted for poison. I can travel to almost anywhere in the world, he has few places he can go without being arrested as a war criminal.

 

I meant he is losing on the economic and war front, try not to be such a d!ckhead.

[impulse]

FWIW, here's Carlson's take on the interview, or at least 5 takeaways, from Carlson himself.  I'm sure the link is to an unapproved source, but I'm not claiming any facts, so I hope it's within the guidelines:

 

I’m not exactly sure what I thought of the interview,” remarked American journalist Tucker Carlson shortly after his two-hour conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin. “It’s probably going to take me a year to decide what that was.”

 

https://vigilantnews.com/post/tucker-carlsons-5-key-takeaways-from-the-putin-interview/

 

 

 

[uttradit]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

I've done my research, others need to do the same.

Bruce is just wasting your time. 

[uttradit]

52 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

 

I'm not living with an army of security staff, in fear of assassination. I'm not having every meal tasted for poison. I can travel to almost anywhere in the world, he has few places he can go without being arrested as a war criminal.

 

I meant he is losing on the economic and war front, try not to be such a d!ckhead.

I doubt you can afford to go anywhere and name calling is the last resort.

[uttradit]

59 minutes ago, Caldera said:

Such a sad excuse for a journalist, that was a thoroughly despicable performance.

 

Kudos to Putin though, he played his dumb interviewer like a fiddle. 

Tucker will be making lots of money off it. Played what? His life isn't impact by Putin. He just got a big interview, made money went back to hotel.

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I suppose at the end of the day, we each, respectfully choose which propaganda we wish to believe, that said, I obviously tend to respectfully disagree with you.

 

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/it-will-be-a-shock-ukraine-lost-500000-soldiers-in-war/

 

Also I can say this, I truly believe that if the USA didn't seek to expand NATO up to Russia's borders more or less, as per the agreement in 1991 with Gorbachev, we wouldn't have this conflict, but this is exactly what the Military Industrial Complex wants.

 

I am not getting my information from MSM, I am looking for it in independent media.

Since Putin came to power, he has repeatedly stated his desire to see the Soviet Union restored.

IIRC, the Gorbachev agreement of 1991 guaranteed the sovereignty of Ukraine, in return for surrendering its nuclear arsenal.

Putin trashed that agreement when he illegally annexed Crimea in 2014. That was when other countries really started signing up to NATO.

He then put the icing on the cake in 2022. Sweden and Finland joined up. Finland joining effectively doubled the border Russia has to defend in the West. Brilliant thinking by Putin.

Dictators get told what they want to hear. I'm quite sure Putin was told Ukraine would be a cakewalk, and NATO was weak and divided. It was a massive intelligence failure, in a country that prides itself for its skills in that area.

Russia is enormously wealthy, in land mass and resources. Trying for even more in Ukraine is simply kleptomania.

The image you posted - reminds me of a guy at work we called No-Toes. Could be Putin too.

I am posting facts, if you think you have better ones, please post them.

 

 

Edited February 11 by Lacessit

[Cory1848]

56 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Also I can say this, I truly believe that if the USA didn't seek to expand NATO up to Russia's borders more or less, as per the agreement in 1991 with Gorbachev, we wouldn't have this conflict, but this is exactly what the Military Industrial Complex wants.

You’re completely ignoring the most important factor: What do the Ukrainians themselves want? They have been able to travel to Poland, the Czech Republic, Romania, where they see rapid gains in quality of life and personal freedom since the fall of communism. They can also travel to Russia, where they see a new descent into authoritarianism. They would be nuts not to want what the Poles and Czechs have gained.

 

Sure, Eisenhower was quite right to warn about the military industrial complex; he was in a position to know. And the pure greed of “disaster capitalism” as described by Naomi Klein, and of neoliberal capitalism more generally. But it’s not as cut-and-dried as that; these are not the only forces that drive world events.

 

And nobody in the West (other than, I’m sure, a few crackpots) was proposing marching on Moscow; there was no threat. That was the whole point of NATO’s Partnership for Peace program established in the 1990s, to build mutual trust. Many original PfP members joined NATO, but many still haven’t.

 

We wouldn’t have this conflict if Putin hadn’t marched his armies into Ukraine.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I suppose at the end of the day, we each, respectfully choose which propaganda we wish to believe, that said, I obviously tend to respectfully disagree with you.

 

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/it-will-be-a-shock-ukraine-lost-500000-soldiers-in-war/

 

Also I can say this, I truly believe that if the USA didn't seek to expand NATO up to Russia's borders more or less, as per the agreement in 1991 with Gorbachev, we wouldn't have this conflict, but this is exactly what the Military Industrial Complex wants.

 

The US didn't seek to expand NATO.  Neither did any other NATO nation.  NATO doesn't seek to expand.  Countries that are threatened by Russia seek to join NATO. 

 

An obvious fact that Putin fans refuse to acknowledge.

[heybruce]

31 minutes ago, uttradit said:

Bruce is just wasting your time. 

By challenging people to provide sources.  I suppose someone who gets his news from YouTube would think that's a waste of time.

[Lacessit]

The most laughable part of the Putin interview was when he claimed the Ukrainians were Nazis.

It's the first time I have heard of a Nazi organization with a Jewish leader.

[Lacessit]

39 minutes ago, uttradit said:

I doubt you can afford to go anywhere and name calling is the last resort.

Going back to Australia next month, smart@rse.

 

You seem to forget you have done some name-calling yourself, you are awfully young to have Alzheimers.

[Woof999]

2 hours ago, uttradit said:

His life is probably better than yours. If being a billionaire dictator, living in palaces with maids and chefs, women at your call is losing then what is David doing on Soi 6?

 

Sounding like you idolise the guy. Can't remember you being this bad on your BigNok account?

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

 

Sounding like you idolise the guy. Can't remember you being this bad on your BigNok account?

He posts to antagonize, then bleats when he gets return fire.

[candide]

1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I suppose at the end of the day, we each, respectfully choose which propaganda we wish to believe, that said, I obviously tend to respectfully disagree with you.

 

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/it-will-be-a-shock-ukraine-lost-500000-soldiers-in-war/

 

Also I can say this, I truly believe that if the USA didn't seek to expand NATO up to Russia's borders more or less, as per the agreement in 1991 with Gorbachev, we wouldn't have this conflict, but this is exactly what the Military Industrial Complex wants.

 

There was no formal agreement, and there is no Soviet Union any more (because it has been torpedoed by Russian in June 1991).

I guess if you ask Poland or the Baltic States, they would tell you that adhering to NATO has protected them from a conflict with Russia

[stoner]

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I suppose at the end of the day, we each, respectfully choose which propaganda we wish to believe, that said, I obviously tend to respectfully disagree with you.

 

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/it-will-be-a-shock-ukraine-lost-500000-soldiers-in-war/

 

Also I can say this, I truly believe that if the USA didn't seek to expand NATO up to Russia's borders more or less, as per the agreement in 1991 with Gorbachev, we wouldn't have this conflict, but this is exactly what the Military Industrial Complex wants.

 

 

i notice no one is speaking on the meat of that link you posted. where 2 well known and respected Ukrainian officials made some pretty bold statements that contradict what the media seems to be portraying...

 

just saying. 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, stoner said:

 

i notice no one is speaking on the meat of that link you posted. where 2 well known and respected Ukrainian officials made some pretty bold statements that contradict what the media seems to be portraying...

 

just saying. 

 

According to the article, Ukraine has lost 500,000 soldiers. Western intelligence estimates the Russians have lost 300,000 troops, despite being on the offensive, with lousy logistics, poorly trained and motivated troops, used in human wave attacks.

Neither does the claim Russia is assembling a coalition of unaligned countries.

If one looks at the description of the author's background, it would seem he has a bias towards Russia. Quoting Shoigu is a dead giveaway, the guy could not lie straight in bed.

The numbers don't add up. If they were true, Kiev would have fallen already.

[Danderman123]

9 hours ago, heybruce said:

Many Putin fan boys claim the US is responsible for the Maiden revolution, and none of them give sources showing it to be true.

Not responsible, but the US certainly helped.

[Danderman123]

9 hours ago, heybruce said:

Prove it.

You'll have to wait for business hours in Moscow to start to get an answer from him.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Not responsible, but the US certainly helped.

How?  Substantive help, not just mid-level state department officials expressing a personal preference in the outcome.

[stoner]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

 

According to the article, Ukraine has lost 500,000 soldiers. Western intelligence estimates the Russians have lost 300,000 troops, despite being on the offensive, with lousy logistics, poorly trained and motivated troops, used in human wave attacks.

Neither does the claim Russia is assembling a coalition of unaligned countries.

If one looks at the description of the author's background, it would seem he has a bias towards Russia. Quoting Shoigu is a dead giveaway, the guy could not lie straight in bed.

The numbers don't add up. If they were true, Kiev would have fallen already.

 

Seems you know more than government officials directly involved. 

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, stoner said:

 

Seems you know more than government officials directly involved. 

Seems you are willing to swallow any information from them without doing any critical thinking.

Assuming, of course, the author is relaying the numbers accurately.

[stoner]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Seems you are willing to swallow any information from them without doing any critical thinking.

Assuming, of course, the author is relaying the numbers accurately.

 

Ok. 

[hotchilli]

12 hours ago, heybruce said:

In other words, you have zero evidence, but you believe it anyway.

 

How do you describe someone like that?  Oh, I remember:  Down the rabbit hole.

[hotchilli]

12 hours ago, heybruce said:

Prove it.  Provide links to some of your "research".

[hotchilli]

12 hours ago, heybruce said:

Yes, you are posting conspiracy theory "opinions" with zero evidence and stating them as facts.