Surge in antisemitism in UK worst for 40 years

[Cory1848]

7 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

"a real piece of work"  eh?  cheers thanks for the compliment.  but sadly you are  incorrect , I have unfortunately  met a few muzzers, despite my best efforts to avoid them. 

I have no issues at all with Jews , I have just  not met many, are you suggesting I should go out of my way to do so ?   Mentioning female genital mutilation or decapitation of either gender, once or twice, is hardly indicative of harbouring an obsession, can't understand why you are so touchy about that. presumably you are in favour of the practice ?

You’ve described Islam as a “death cult,” condoned forceful conversion of the world’s Muslims (all 1.8 billion of them), and for those who refuse to convert, suggested using guidance from a Koranic verse as a final solution (which describes “striking people in the neck” -- more beheadings, I see). If you’re looking for a death cult, you don’t need to look any farther than your bathroom mirror.

 

I’m sorry I called you “a piece of work.” A mate’s troublesome girlfriend might be “a piece of work,” but she’s still a human being, isn’t she. Given the bottomless hatred and racism you’ve so proudly announced here, you’re something else entirely.

[RuamRudy]

7 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Its not going anywhere,  Its not for you to tell me, what I must like.  I will dislike whoever or whatever I chose to dislike Its really none of your business

 

Hey, @Bday Prang, a 10 year-old has logged into your account and is now posting on your behalf. 

[RuamRudy]

7 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

You lose another debate and have to play 'you're a racist card' you have to accept that some people have a great distrust of Islam. 

 

 

Distrusting Islam is like distrusting trees - it makes no sense as a blanket statement. There are aspects of the Islamic dctrine which are more than questionable, but the same can be said for Christianity and Judaism, and probably most other religions. But to say that you don't like 1/3 of the world's population because they were born into a religion that the poster clearly doesn't understand is beyond childish. I wouldn't call it racist because Islam is not a race, but it is clearly bigoted - and based upon ignorance, as most prejudices are. 

[Wobblybob]

10 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Distrusting Islam is like distrusting trees - it makes no sense as a blanket statement. There are aspects of the Islamic dctrine which are more than questionable, but the same can be said for Christianity and Judaism, and probably most other religions. But to say that you don't like 1/3 of the world's population because they were born into a religion that the poster clearly doesn't understand is beyond childish. I wouldn't call it racist because Islam is not a race, but it is clearly bigoted - and based upon ignorance, as most prejudices are. 

Are you ok with 9 or 10 year old young girls forced into marrying old muslim men, stoning women to death because they were raped, I could go on but what would be the point. Getting through to an apologist is an impossible task and I'm not even going to try. 

I don't care for any religion but Islam seems to be the most extreme.

[WDSmart]

9 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

I don't like Rap music, Dog $hit, or Brown ale either,  again no phobias involved.   You appear to have a phobia about people not liking things,   You need help,  You need to understand that it is not you who decides what people like or dislike

"Phobia" is a "fear," not just a "dislike." It's further defined as an "irrational fear." So, unless you fear Muslims or Jews, a dislike of them is not a "phobia."

The antecedent "anti," hyphenated or not, is, IMO, more appropriate for expressing dislike, like "anti-Jew," "anti-Arab," or "anti-Muslim." 

[RuamRudy]

54 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Are you ok with 9 or 10 year old young girls forced into marrying old muslim men, stoning women to death because they were raped, I could go on but what would be the point. Getting through to an apologist is an impossible task and I'm not even going to try. 

I don't care for any religion but Islam seems to be the most extreme.

 

What an offensive, ridiculous and totally reductive argument. Of course I am not ok with those things, but having lived and worked for the past 14 years in Muslim countries, I can honestly say that I have never met a Muslim person who would advocate for such things. 

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

You’ve described Islam as a “death cult,” condoned forceful conversion of the world’s Muslims (all 1.8 billion of them), and for those who refuse to convert, suggested using guidance from a Koranic verse as a final solution (which describes “striking people in the neck” -- more beheadings, I see). If you’re looking for a death cult, you don’t need to look any farther than your bathroom mirror.

 

I’m sorry I called you “a piece of work.” A mate’s troublesome girlfriend might be “a piece of work,” but she’s still a human being, isn’t she. Given the bottomless hatred and racism you’ve so proudly announced here, you’re something else entirely.

       I have not condoned forceful conversion of muslims at all   Here is what I actually said......

"No there is nothing to convert them to. not that they would agree anyway.  As another member has suggested declare it a terrorist cult and ban it. Total eradication is really the only answer"

       Neither did I suggest using anything written in the koran as the guidance for any "final solution"   I did however highlight how certain verses in  the koran instruct its  followers to view non muslims,  and promotes and justifies violence against them. I specifically did not go into detail as to what any of those verses actually  state and used it as an example as to why so many non muslims are  concerned.    Unfortunately it appears that particular post has been removed so I can't quote myself,  

       I really don't care what you call me. but its typical and predictable   that muslim apologists choose to follow the easy path, and  are more interested in throwing "silencing" words like "bigot" ," racist", and "islamophobe" at anybody who questions the virtue of certain  muslim teachings.   Scoring what they think are "woke points" being so much easier than discussing the real reasons for peoples justifiable anti muslim sentiment 

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Hey, @Bday Prang, a 10 year-old has logged into your account and is now posting on your behalf. 

It appears other accounts have been compromised in a similar manner and are being used to respond to my posts

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

I can honestly say that I have never met a Muslim person who would advocate for such things.

Its not like they are going to discuss  such matters  with an "infidel" is it ?    

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

There are aspects of the Islamic dctrine which are more than questionable

To put things mildly

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

There are aspects of the Islamic dctrine which are more than questionable

Putting things mildly to say the least.    Have you considered working as a diplomat ?  

[Arindos]

I think one of the biggest misunderstandings of European politics is getting across just how large the Muslim population is. The vast majority of these antiemetic attacks are done by Muslims and their far-left activist supporters. The vast majority of the British population love Jews and it's the same with India. 

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

"Phobia" is a "fear," not just a "dislike." It's further defined as an "irrational fear." So, unless you fear Muslims or Jews, a dislike of them is not a "phobia."

The antecedent "anti," hyphenated or not, is, IMO, more appropriate for expressing dislike, like "anti-Jew," "anti-Arab," or "anti-Muslim." 

 Thank  you I Totally agree , That is  exactly my point,   a phobia is indeed an "irrational fear"    "anti muslim" sentiment  is therefore a much more accurate descriptive.  

                Regardless of the lack of  linguistic accuracy, its somewhat  telling  that those who are "anti islam" are referred to as   "Islamophobes" in an attempt to dismiss  their  concerns as irrational.and dismiss their views as "bigoted"     Whilst those with  anti jewish sentiments are overtly labelled as " anti semitic"  no mention of an irrational phobia at all , and thus the implication is that their concerns are completely justified  not irrational at all 

                 If you were a Christian missionary would you feel safer expressing your views and attempting to spread the gospel  in Iran ?    Or would you prefer to be assigned a post in Israel?  I know where I would rather be sent to and where I would have a better chance of returning from alive

[Cory1848]

31 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

       I have not condoned forceful conversion of muslims at all   Here is what I actually said......

"No there is nothing to convert them to. not that they would agree anyway.  As another member has suggested declare it a terrorist cult and ban it. Total eradication is really the only answer"

       Neither did I suggest using anything written in the koran as the guidance for any "final solution"   I did however highlight how certain verses in  the koran instruct its  followers to view non muslims,  and promotes and justifies violence against them. I specifically did not go into detail as to what any of those verses actually  state and used it as an example as to why so many non muslims are  concerned.    Unfortunately it appears that particular post has been removed so I can't quote myself,  

       I really don't care what you call me. but its typical and predictable   that muslim apologists choose to follow the easy path, and  are more interested in throwing "silencing" words like "bigot" ," racist", and "islamophobe" at anybody who questions the virtue of certain  muslim teachings.   Scoring what they think are "woke points" being so much easier than discussing the real reasons for peoples justifiable anti muslim sentiment 

Somebody asked you, “What’s your solution [to the ‘Islamic problem’]? Forcible conversion of 1.8 billion people? And those that refused to convert?” You answered, “Use your imagination.” The first user then asked you, “Why don’t you spell it out for me?” A third user then jumped in, saying, “Here, this is how you do it,” with a link to the Koranic verse describing lopping off heads. You then responded to this third user’s solution with: “Excellent post.”

 

You’re doing a great deal more than “question[ing] the virtue of certain muslim [sic] teachings”: you’ve stated that wholesale massacre would be “excellent.” “Bigot,” “racist,” and “Islamophobe” are not “silencing words”: they perfectly describe people like you. In several of your previous posts in this thread, you’ve proudly worn your hatred and racism; why are you trying to walk it back now?

[Bday Prang]

44 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

Somebody asked you, “What’s your solution [to the ‘Islamic problem’]? Forcible conversion of 1.8 billion people? And those that refused to convert?” You answered, “Use your imagination.” The first user then asked you, “Why don’t you spell it out for me?” A third user then jumped in, saying, “Here, this is how you do it,” with a link to the Koranic verse describing lopping off heads. You then responded to this third user’s solution with: “Excellent post.”

 

You’re doing a great deal more than “question[ing] the virtue of certain muslim [sic] teachings”: you’ve stated that wholesale massacre would be “excellent.” “Bigot,” “racist,” and “Islamophobe” are not “silencing words”: they perfectly describe people like you. In several of your previous posts in this thread, you’ve proudly worn your hatred and racism; why are you trying to walk it back now?

              My response "excellent post" was in appreciation of the very relevant  points raised by  that member @Lemsta69 in his post. The link he provided illustrates fully how the koran views non muslims and how they should be dealt with.  I have not stated anywhere that wholesale massacre would be "excellent" 

I am neither proud nor ashamed of my anti muslim sentiment , and I am certainly not "walking back" or denying anything.  You are the one spouting hatred and racism at every  opportunity  whilst as usual ignoring the real issues

              It probably won't be long before the UK ends up with a muslim prime minister, several large cities already have muslim mayors,   partly due to increasing apathy on behalf of the non muslim  electorate, but mainly due to the fact that anybody who dares to legitimately  question their real aims and objectives  or warn of the consequences will  effectively be silenced by people like you, at present the two main parties are totally able to hurl insults an accusations at each other it may not be perfect but at least its balanced.  That balance would effectively be removed by constant accusations of bigotry and racism.     The first muslim PM will no doubt be ostensibly moderate those that follow will be increasingly less moderate.   The non muslim population has no wish to live in a caliphate, those that do should move to Iran or similar countries 

             Anti muslim sentiment should be as acceptable as anti racism, anti fascism, and anti marxism. it is necessary to provide a balance whether you agree or not

            

       

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Arindos said:

I think one of the biggest misunderstandings of European politics is getting across just how large the Muslim population is. The vast majority of these antiemetic attacks are done by Muslims and their far-left activist supporters. The vast majority of the British population love Jews and it's the same with India. 

 

I don't think that's true. The Israelis have been complaining about the British since 1948. Antisemitism has been rife in the US and all across Europe since that time as well. 

[Arindos]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I don't think that's true. The Israelis have been complaining about the British since 1948. Antisemitism has been rife in the US and all across Europe since that time as well. 

 

When you couple that with the situation in British India then it certainly seems much more related with the Muslim cause. You forget that the British were heavily influenced by the geopolitics of India at the time as well. Anti-semitism may have been rife but that was always coupled with Islamophobia.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Arindos said:

 

When you couple that with the situation in British India then it certainly seems much more related with the Muslim cause. You forget that the British were heavily influenced by the geopolitics of India at the time as well. Anti-semitism may have been rife but that was always coupled with Islamophobia.

 

I'm not denying that either. That islamophobia and antisemitism has always been rife is not in question.

[Bday Prang]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

I don't think that's true. The Israelis have been complaining about the British since 1948. Antisemitism has been rife in the US and all across Europe since that time as well. 

Any "anti-semitic" sentiment  ( note the absence of the word  "phobia")  exists only a tiny minority of  the UK's "indigenous" population generally  restricted to left leaning individuals and a left leaning media.        Anti muslim sentiment is far more common ,  as a result of and as a reaction to terrorist atrocities that have taken place in the UK and around the world.  The UK has yet to suffer any such atrocity at the hands of the Jews, at least not that I can remember.  I don't specifically look for anti british sentiment coming out of Israel and I honestly don't remember it making the headlines, ever

[Bkk Brian]

These hateful anti-Semites obviously avoid the Spurs football matches. The Yid army would soon put a stop to them. Yes it was still called that up till a year or so ago but the Jewish fanbase remains the same. In fact it was the Jews that chanted it more than anyone until it became offensive 

 

Not much Anti-semitism around when I was brought up in the UK. 

 

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Any "anti-semitic" sentiment  ( note the absence of the word  "phobia")  exists only a tiny minority of  the UK's "indigenous" population generally  restricted to left leaning individuals and a left leaning media.        Anti muslim sentiment is far more common ,  as a result of and as a reaction to terrorist atrocities that have taken place in the UK and around the world.  The UK has yet to suffer any such atrocity at the hands of the Jews, at least not that I can remember.  I don't specifically look for anti british sentiment coming out of Israel and I honestly don't remember it making the headlines, ever

 

Israeli textbooks and propaganda novels, such as Leon Uris's Exodus, have tended to portray the Zionist pioneers waging a war of independence against the British oppressor.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2001/may/31/londonreviewofbooks

 

‘The British Kindled the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. They Are to Blame’

 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-11-10/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/the-british-kindled-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict-they-are-to-blame/00000184-60fc-dab5-a58e-fffcbf290000

[Cory1848]

41 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

              My response "excellent post" was in appreciation of the very relevant  points raised by  that member @Lemsta69 in his post. The link he provided illustrates fully how the koran views non muslims and how they should be dealt with.  I have not stated anywhere that wholesale massacre would be "excellent" 

I am neither proud nor ashamed of my anti muslim sentiment , and I am certainly not "walking back" or denying anything.  You are the one spouting hatred and racism at every  opportunity  whilst as usual ignoring the real issues

              It probably won't be long before the UK ends up with a muslim prime minister, several large cities already have muslim mayors,   partly due to increasing apathy on behalf of the non muslim  electorate, but mainly due to the fact that anybody who dares to legitimately  question their real aims and objectives  or warn of the consequences will  effectively be silenced by people like you, at present the two main parties are totally able to hurl insults an accusations at each other it may not be perfect but at least its balanced.  That balance would effectively be removed by constant accusations of bigotry and racism.     The first muslim PM will no doubt be ostensibly moderate those that follow will be increasingly less moderate.   The non muslim population has no wish to live in a caliphate, those that do should move to Iran or similar countries 

             Anti muslim sentiment should be as acceptable as anti racism, anti fascism, and anti marxism. it is necessary to provide a balance whether you agree or not

            

       

I have no wish to respond to any of this, except to say that you are indeed “up to your neck” (to use your phrase again) in addlebrained paranoia and conspiracy theories. And your last statement is the ugliest of all: racism is a psychological disorder, and fascism and Marxism are failed experiments in the construction of societies, but “Muslim” describes a major world civilization. That you would equate the latter with the three former is worse than depraved.

 

Good luck with all this; I hope you find your way out somehow.

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

Israeli textbooks and propaganda novels, such as Leon Uris's Exodus, have tended to portray the Zionist pioneers waging a war of independence against the British oppressor.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2001/may/31/londonreviewofbooks

 

‘The British Kindled the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. They Are to Blame’

 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-11-10/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/the-british-kindled-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict-they-are-to-blame/00000184-60fc-dab5-a58e-fffcbf290000

hmmm  specialist reading material which the average man in the street  has never heard of and would  never be inclined to read

But of course its all Britain's fault  isn't everything these days ? Next  you will be telling us that the holocaust was a British Idea and the Nazi's were secretly employed by the British security services. All backed up with a few  links  to obscure  websites and niche publications of course

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, Cory1848 said:

I have no wish to respond to any of this, except to say that you are indeed “up to your neck” (to use your phrase again) in addlebrained paranoia and conspiracy theories. And your last statement is the ugliest of all: racism is a psychological disorder, and fascism and Marxism are failed experiments in the construction of societies, but “Muslim” describes a major world civilization. That you would equate the latter with the three former is worse than depraved.

 

Good luck with all this; I hope you find your way out somehow.

       Well keep up with the insults, and keep ignoring the elephant in the room.  How many more 9/11 type atrocities will it take and how many more organisations like ISIS  or the Taliban will need to be operational before you accept the uncomfortable truth.  I don't really like the word "denier" but it seems a  totally  appropriate  adjective in this case.

        You may consider myself and others who share  similar views to be "in this up to our necks",  that is your opinion but  you are nevertheless  entitled to it,  The rest of us are just happy that our heads and necks remain joined together are would prefer that they remained that way. The odds of that would be a lot shorter for all of us if we were living under sharia law,  truly worse than depraved. 

        I am not looking for  "a way out" as you put it , and come to think of it neither should you,as  the religion of peace does not look favourably on those who change their minds.  

           

[Wobblybob]

5 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

What an offensive, ridiculous and totally reductive argument. Of course I am not ok with those things, but having lived and worked for the past 14 years in Muslim countries, I can honestly say that I have never met a Muslim person who would advocate for such things. 

It wasn't meant to be offensive, I was merely pointing out people supporting what can only described as paedophilia by turning a blind eye to the primitive ways of Islam. If you respected women you might be less supportive of Islam, women in Iran are being killed for not wanting to wear the burka, they deserve to be treated as an equal and not a possession of some backward thinking mad mullah.

Of course you think that because you have never met any of these followers of the 'religion of peace' that would advocate for such things' that they don't exist, well they do in all their entireties. You have only to look at the UK now, schoolboy in hiding because he scuffed the Quran, the police humiliated the boys mother by thinking if she grovelled in front of the TV cameras everything would be ok. The Batley school teacher in hiding for mentioning Mohammad. The list goes on yet people seem to be indifferent to having their freedoms taken away from them and not helped by the two tier policing that is obviously happening right in front of our noses. 

[Bday Prang]

5 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

It wasn't meant to be offensive, I was merely pointing out people supporting what can only described as paedophilia by turning a blind eye to the primitive ways of Islam. If you respected women you might be less supportive of Islam, women in Iran are being killed for not wanting to wear the burka, they deserve to be treated as an equal and not a possession of some backward thinking mad mullah.

Of course you think that because you have never met any of these followers of the 'religion of peace' that would advocate for such things' that they don't exist, well they do in all their entireties. You have only to look at the UK now, schoolboy in hiding because he scuffed the Quran, the police humiliated the boys mother by thinking if she grovelled in front of the TV cameras everything would be ok. The Batley school teacher in hiding for mentioning Mohammad. The list goes on yet people seem to be indifferent to having their freedoms taken away from them and not helped by the two tier policing that is obviously happening right in front of our noses. 

         Two tier policing is generally  just getting started, as its only relatively recently that "diversity" targets were set regarding recruitment of police officers, forget the" best man for the job" school of thought,  when it comes to selecting successful candidates, even Sherlock Holmes wouldn't get taken on once the quota of white christian applicants has been reached.  Once one of the "box ticking" muslim applicants has duly been selected as the chief commissioner things will inevitably take a turn for the worse

         Its not just major events, like bombings and other atrocities that we will have to be aware of and watch out for.  there is a whole load of "micro agressions" and "(un) conscious bias"  to pick a few woke words  that will be targeted at us too.  Rest assured  there will be no army of woke people allowed to support the dwindling number of indigenous non muslims.  Women will inevitably suffer the most

            

[mooping20Baht]

sadly, when you destroy secular middle-eastern countries you end up with blowback.  esp any that challenge western hegemony, even worse putting their own people first via socialist programs.

 

maybe if the UK/US had not overthrown Iran with dirty tricks, but you know that history, right?

 

 

[ozimoron]

12 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

hmmm  specialist reading material which the average man in the street  has never heard of and would  never be inclined to read

But of course its all Britain's fault  isn't everything these days ? Next  you will be telling us that the holocaust was a British Idea and the Nazi's were secretly employed by the British security services. All backed up with a few  links  to obscure  websites and niche publications of course

 

Exodus by Leon Uris is a very famous book.

[Nick Carter icp]

15 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

These hateful anti-Semites obviously avoid the Spurs football matches. The Yid army would soon put a stop to them. Yes it was still called that up till a year or so ago but the Jewish fanbase remains the same. In fact it was the Jews that chanted it more than anyone until it became offensive 

 

Not much Anti-semitism around when I was brought up in the UK. 

 

 

   Tottenham fans singing about  being the "Yid Army"

The reply chant was " You're gentile and you know you are " 🙂

 

[scottiejohn]

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

Exodus by Leon Uris is a very famous book.

It might be to you!